Originally posted by KSigMason

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Many cops are Freemasons

And your proof of this would be? My dad's a cop and he's not a Freemason.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Actually, Abraham Lincoln was a Freemason, as well John Wilkes Booth

Neither Abraham Lincoln or Booth were Freemasons. If you believe so and have proof of it, then I challenge you to provide some evidence of this (ie their home Lodge and dates of initiation.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
That's what I mean, by most people it represents Freemasonry

But in reality it doesn't.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
The York Rite is inherently Christian.

It's a private organization and no one is forced to join, so it has no effect on non-Christian members.

Your dad is not "many cops."

Abraham Lincoln spoke at his best friend's Masonic funeral. He also received a Masonic eulogy after his own funeral. If he wasn't a Mason then he sure walked and talked like one. John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Grand Lodge of Rhode Island.

In the minds of most people it does, and your "open society with secrets" has failed to sway public opinion of this fact.

It has an effect on people who don't like Christianity.

Originally posted by RuneSpider

The discussion of religion is vital to their operations

I'm not sure what you mean.

Wikipedia is a piece of #, and that quote does not even refute my claim

I was using Wiki as a basic source, all I have are your statements to the contrary.
As for the Templars being Jewish, the chief founders of the Templars were both Knights, a status that could not be held by anyone who was Jewish at the time period.
Templars were originally encouraged by the Catholic Church, again, during the time period they held Jews as collectively responsible for the death of Christ.

None, but I've seen plans, and Masons have also used the backrooms of taverns and churches

What plans exactly?
Yes, during the 1700's Masonry mainly met in pubs and tverns, your point?

That's a lie, the Romans persecuted "Jesus Christ"

The backrooms of taverns

Anyway, this is completely off topic

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
None, but I've seen plans, and Masons have also used the backrooms of taverns and churches

Well, those were the original meeting places of the Masonic Lodges. Once they could build there own building they stopped meeting at the taverns.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Judeo-Christian depictions of the Old Testament. Hiram Abiff himself comes from out of the book of Romans.

Actually Hiram Abiff is referenced in 1 Kings 7:13-14.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Historical evidence suggests that the Knights Templar were Jewish, thank you very much.

So French noblemen were Jewish who wore red-crosses on their mantle? I should have said, all credible evidence proves you wrong. Where is your proof of this? Link? A book? A historian?

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
I take it you mean that you're a Worshipful Master. Maybe your lodge just doesn't have enough members, who knows?

We're one of the largest, if not the largest, Lodge in my State. I'm also a plural member with other Lodges.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Your dad is not "many cops."

None of the cops under my dad's command are Masons and I know most of the members around the area, and they are not cops. Out of all the Brothers I know, I can only count handful of cops.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen
Abraham Lincoln spoke at his best friend's Masonic funeral. He also received a Masonic eulogy after his own funeral. If he wasn't a Mason then he sure walked and talked like one. John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Grand Lodge of Rhode Island.

Could you provide a link to all this? I do know for a fact (100%) that Lincoln wasn't a Freemason. Freemasons may have spoken at his funeral, but that is not evidence of his membership. It's also not a surprise that he spoke at his BEST FRIENDS funeral.

Booth's older was reported to be a Mason, but not his brother.

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That's a lie, the Romans persecuted "Jesus Christ"

Um. Technically, the Pharisees called for his death, and members of the crowd were Jewish... of course they were also several other religionns as well, probably, but regardless.
The Catholic Church's stance during the Middle Ages was to blame the Jews for the death of Christ, regardless of the truth of the matter.
Many of the crusades slaughters Jewish communities at the time, wiping out entire towns on their way to the Holy Land.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen



Judeo-Christian depictions of the Old Testament. Hiram Abiff himself comes from out of the book of Romans.

Hiram is not mentioned in Romans, nor anywhere else in the New Testament.

Historical evidence suggests that the Knights Templar were Jewish, thank you very much.

Nonsense. Historical evidence shows that the Templars were French Catholics.

Originally posted by vcwxvwligen


Abraham Lincoln spoke at his best friend's Masonic funeral. He also received a Masonic eulogy after his own funeral. If he wasn't a Mason then he sure walked and talked like one. John Wilkes Booth was a member of the Grand Lodge of Rhode Island.

Neither Lincoln nor Booth were Freemasons....which leads me to wonder....what sources are you using, exactly?

Ok, OP... I have one way you can just finish this thread off once and for all:

Why don't you just tell us that freemasons invented life so they could have people/land/materials to control?

Go outside, not EVERYTHING is a conspiracy.

Threads like this honestly make me wonder just how much of a 'Blue Tan' some people get from their computer monitors

Thought you might find this interesting, it's from Wyclef's blog:

There is no problem without solution, so therefore, there is no solution without a problem. If one plus one is two and two plus zero is two, then problem plus solution will equal problem.

It is fact: As the earth spins, I maintain my balance. So if the earth were to stop spinning, I would loose my balance. Why try to control the uncontrollable?

The gift, if of true prophecy, was never in the mercy of Nostrodamas’ pen, but a revelation of John who saw the Armageddon. What you seek is right in front of you. So open up your hands and read your palms. Why trap yourself in a box when you can live outside of the square. For have you forgotten, my fellow mason, that we build the city of triangles.

If you choose to offer me wine, let it be the finest grapes, but I refuse to eat the food of King Henry for we must rise from obesity. Let us not forget, the rise of a nation shall be the downfall of a king! Which side of the coin are you on? I am on the side of the righteous. For the wicked will awake in hades, this very night. If we ever must converse, tell me not of the words of others, but the words of yourself, for knowledge of self is knowledge to teach, and one can’t teach others, until he or she has the self knowledge to understand self.

WYCLEF

So, are you going to respond to the rebuttals of the garbage you've posted, dude, or have you moved on?

Originally posted by Roark
So, are you going to respond to the rebuttals of the garbage you've posted, dude, or have you moved on?

I don't respond to denial arguments. Two people can just go back and forth denying things all day.