Hip-hop indeed comes from Freemasonic practices, page 9
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reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 08:49 AM by Masonic Light
Originally posted by miragezero


Page 819 among others

"The Blue Degrees are but the outer court or portico of the Temple. Part of the symbols are displayed there to the Initiate, but he is intentionally misled by false interpretations. It is not intended that he shall understand them; but it is intended that he shall imagine he understands them. Their true explication is reserved for the Adepts, the Princes of Masonry. The whole body of the Royal and Sacerdotal Art was hidden so carefully, centuries since, in the High Degrees, as that it is even yet impossible to solve many of the enigmas which they contain. It is well enough for the mass of those called Masons, to imagine that all is contained in the Blue Degrees; and whoso attempts to undeceive them will labor in vain, and without any true reward violate his obligations as an Adept. Masonry is the veritable Sphinx, buried to the head in the sands heaped round it by the ages. "


It's important to understand that Pike did not, and was not trying to, say that the first three degrees were "fronts". In fact, for centuries, Masonry had only two degrees, with the Third Degree only being added in the 1720's. The additional degrees did not begin to pop up until the 1740's.

Pike did, however, realize a problem. Many men beginning joining Masonic Lodges for what seemed to be petty and selfish reasons, to make business contacts and such. It then became Pike's intention to keep such people out of the Scottish Rite, admitting only those who had the honest desire to learn, and be serviceable to his fellow man. It is in this context that we can interpret the above Pike quote, as his intention was that only worthy students should advance in the Rite (and upon which point I completely agree with Pike).


reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 10:20 AM by miragezero
reply to post by Masonic Light



Yes, I agree with you, but in reference to this topic... all the items in the videos etc are concerned with the blue degrees, which is what prompted me to say what I did about them. Which is what Pike said about them. Which seems to be all that is occuring.



reply posted on 30-4-2009 @ 11:35 PM by KSigMason
reply to post by rapunzel222

One, no one is invited to join Freemasonry. You must seek it out yourself and ask to join. Two, if Madonna is a member of a co-ed Lodge, she is not a member of a Regular Lodge and therefore not considered a Mason. Three, the pyramid and all-seeing eye are not Masonic symbols nor are they exclusive to any group. If she was wearing a Square & Compass maybe, but a jacket is hardly evidence.

You call the Masons pathetic, yet you made outrageous assumptions without proof - that is pathetic and sad.


reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 12:14 PM by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by Privy_Princess



Yes, I'd forgotten about this. Bill Schnoebelen also put out a second video in which he's wearing a red tie, as well as lots of writings.

The particular portion of the video also describes "under the umbrella" as well as a detailed explanation of the unfinished pyramid and the capstone.

Not everything he says is true, though, so I can't believe his videos 100%. Plus he is dressed in Freemason blue, and uses all sorts of gestures.

He's not saying that men are better than God, rather that each man is a god of his own individual universe. In other words, they don't acknowledge the Christian God at all. It blows the lid off of the quantum theory of "parallel universes," and exposes "humanism" for what it really is.

This reminds me of a personal anecdote: my boss at a previous job would engage me in casual conversation about ideas like philosophy, the paranormal, theoretical physics, and such. He would insist that I hear his opinion about mulitple universes. Some weeks later he brought a few of his buddies and we all shared "Coronas" while literally "in the dark" (meaning, that he'd turned off the lights in the room). About an hour or so into our convergence he tried to get me to become a Freemason (in their indirect way, of course). I refused because I had already done my homework about Freemasonry. Their motto is "to be one, ask one" but I wasn't doing any asking. One of the guys there admitted to being a Freemason, and he said some stuff that I will probably share on another thread. My boss later explained indirectly that he thought that I'd be open to it because he noticed me printing out some stuff about the CFR


reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 12:15 PM by vcwxvwligen
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Privy_Princess


I wonder if he gained this knowlege before of after he was a vampire? This guy is a wack job. Please, if you are going to watch this make sure you watch the rest of his stuff so you know who it is you are listening to.


He may be saying some false things, but he's definitely not a wack job. Maybe you're scared of being exposed?


reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 12:16 PM by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by AugustusMasonicus


Stop your emotional appeals, stay on topic and deny ignorance!


reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 12:36 PM by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by Skyfloating


That's true, lots of unsuccessful musicians do use Illuminati symbols

KRS One said that there's no reason to fear the New World Order

What benefit would it bring to Jay-Z to portray himself as "mysterious" ?

Actually, yes, lots of commercial rappers are killing their own people with their stories of fear, prostitution and drug dealing


reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 12:39 PM by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by miragezero


Unless you're, like, super-black you must join a Prince Hall lodge.

Prince Hall Masonry is not the same as white Masonry. The lodge halls themselves are smaller and much less appealing than white Masonic halls.


reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 12:45 PM by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by RuneSpider


In Morals and Dogma, Pike says that learning the symbolic meanings is reserved for the higher degrees.


reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 12:47 PM by vcwxvwligen
reply to post by RuneSpider


He said that he took the York Rite and the A&P Rite of M&M (Memphis and Mizraim)

What is your source for this timeline?


reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 12:58 PM by Equinox99
reply to post by vcwxvwligen


This is the biggest load of nonsense. KRS-One? That man preaches against the NWO, and the government. I forgot which documentary he was on(I believe it was Alex Jones' last one), but he was speaking against the government.

Hip-hop is about the struggle. The meanings are twisted around sometimes but it is like that does not happen in rock. You are condemning hip-hop for the wrong reasons. You fail to look at the influential hip-hop artists. I can easily turn any lyrics into an Illuminati/Freemason influenced piece.

Do you have any evidence here? No. Although Jay-Z may be part of them, not everyone else is.


reply posted on 7-5-2009 @ 01:18 PM by vcwxvwligen
Originally posted by KSigMason
reply to post by rapunzel222


One, no one is invited to join Freemasonry. You must seek it out yourself and ask to join.

The official rules say that there is to be no recruiting, but it happens anyway

Originally posted by KSigMason
Two, if Madonna is a member of a co-ed Lodge, she is not a member of a Regular Lodge and therefore not considered a Mason.

The female Masons in the US will not be pleased to find this out.

Originally posted by KSigMason
Three, the pyramid and all-seeing eye are not Masonic symbols nor are they exclusive to any group. If she was wearing a Square & Compass maybe, but a jacket is hardly evidence.

Ok, the All-Seeing Eye is not exclusive to any single group, but it is a Masonic symbol: secure.wikimedia.org...

Originally posted by KSigMason
You call the Masons pathetic, yet you made outrageous assumptions without proof - that is pathetic and sad.

Your defensive reactions are pathetic and sad, and once again place Masonry in a "bad light"
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