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posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 06:00 AM
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As a conservative I was raised to ignore the color of someones skin and look at the person. Race 'issues' are nothing more than a political tool to fuel divisivness.
I got into trouble the LAST census because I listed, under race, human.
I have raised both my sons to ignore the color of someones skin.

PS, according to 'social' classifications' I too, am mixed. But who gives a %&@! Why rate a people based on the melanin content of their skin?




posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 06:25 AM
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That's exactly why, in the study I refered to, Whites are said "racists".

WHY are you, against the obviousness of the facts, teaching colorblindness to your children ?

Wouldn't it be because there IS a racial issue ?

If YES, ask to yourself : does the ostrich escape the lion when putting its head into the sand ?

I think also that you are misleading yourself : the problem is NOT to "RATE" the people on the melanine ratio.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 07:01 AM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Why do I as a white person need to acknowledge skin color when I converse with another? That doesnt make sense.

I have no problem discussing race, I do have a problem getting others to talk about it without using the nonsensical pc buzzwords, like diversity(ugh).

I never mark my race on forms, either, I always put human. That question needs to be erased from all forms.

I just do not understand why white people would have a problem discussing race with black people, wouldnt that be the perfect time to get your thoughts out and discussed??

eta,

As far as avoiding the race topic, when my son was mugged in school by two black thugs, I most certainly was not the one avoiding race. I brought it up, and was called a racist, to which I replied no I am NOT. They were black and they were thugs. In my city, it seems that race is avoided being talked about intelligently, and is now discussed in those sickening pc terms of diversity and such.


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Why not just thugs. There are plenty of white thugs in Australia but nobody describes them as white thugs. Remove the race description. Why is it needed unless your giving a report to police for the purposes of description.

Or find another insult that doesn't have black X or white X. Try scumbags or simply thugs next time.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 07:17 AM
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Well I don't only feel uncomfortable when black people go on about slavery and go on how it affected them over and over and over

I also get pissed off. I have my own # too. Don't see me gonig public half of my life, saying Im black I have been victimized.


Get over it. What do you want me to do help you out of your misery. I'm deaf and I have been bullied for most of school years.

Do I go on the view like Sherri Shepard sayin ALL THE TIME how hard it is for deaf people in the world.


So yeah white people do get tired of this racism talk. This is why Obama was elected. If the government, can't get us to bitch about FOX NEW VS CNN, it's relgion, It blagovich, Its' RACISM.


This is why we have Obama in office, More distraction from real topics in the world. I'm so sick of this #. It's so petty. I don't give a hoot what colour you are. I don't care if I'm black or white, what is the point of contineously bringing this up as the main topic in society. When we live in imperfect world and this is something that will always be apart of our lives. We have come along way. Stop reacting too the media on racism for the love of god, It's 2009....



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 07:19 AM
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Originally posted by pieman
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rubbish, we see people as groups and judge them as the average on a bell curve all the time, to say that race isn't as good an indicator as any is blinkered.

there is a "black culture",a "white culture", a "hispanic culture", and so on, in the states, race plays as much a part in peoples lives as the hobbies and interests they persue or the religous views they have.

if it's okay to judge a person wearing an NRA t-shirt or reading a sci-fi novel or having a picture of a fish on their bumper on a bell curve, until you know better, then why not a black or an asian person?

most racism stems from the idea that this is a bad thing to do, if we saw race as being only as important as our taste in fiction, racism would be a non-issue.

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The differences between a NRA shirt or a fish on the car is that people weren't born with these traits. You are labeling someone who does not have the ability to refuse your label.

There is a big difference, the people with a fish on their bumper for example share a similarity based on whatever drew them into the group (similar religious ideals, gun support, whatever).

Whereas skin colour is merely what someone was born with. This does not group those with the same skin into any similar category. Be damned if I'm so similar you can group me to white or black people just because the negligible colour of my skin.

I disagree with you. IMO black culture and white culture is stereotypical trash. There are no preconceived notions of your character based simply on your skin colour.


I do accept that other factors such as location/neighborhood/friends/acts can influence people to believe that those living in X conditions as being viewed as thugs or otherwise. Example: a seedy neighborhood where the majority of thugs that you see are black people.

However, it's not the colour of their skin that determines them as "thugs". It is a commonality that has no impact on behaviour, and that's why people holding the "race card" are annoyed by the use. I don't want to be grouped in anyone's ignorant stereotype.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 09:11 AM
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I think there are complexities of problems.

First of all, generalizing about a race of people is always a mistake.

Secondly, the slave trade era in world history was a terrible hindrance causing most African-American families to play catch up. The set backs of slavery were so severe, blacks, when finally freed, had to essentially start over with education and wealth accumulation. Then, they still were unfairly treated until the end of the civil rights era of the sixties. Blacks have suffered terribly from slavery and many are now working hard to reverse the set backs (yes, it does take many generations to overcome).

Imagine alien spacecraft making surprise landings all over the globe and their purpose is to enslave anglo-saxons and bring them to the home planet for slavery. Whites are stripped, whipped, chained, taken aboard these ships, families split up, bad treatment. Let's say there are a couple of generations of white slavery on the alien planet before the aliens decide to free the slaves. You get freedom but you have no money and no rights for a couple of more generations. Now, is that scenario going to deliver a huge setback to anglo-saxons? Absolutely.

Third, many people confuse racism with class-ism. People of all races are in all strata of classes. The upper class segment of society will always look down upon the lower classes, no matter what color they are. When you combine that fact with generalization, you get racism as a result because there are still so many blacks in the lower and lowest classes of society.

Fourth, many blacks steadfastly refuse cultural characteristics of anglo-saxons. The hip hop culture is a refusal to go along with what is perceived as anglo culture. Refusing to dress like anglos, refusing to wear a wristwatch, refusing to read books and go to school, refusing to be open-minded to what is perceived as anglo arts/culture/music, etc. Gang culture is another aspect of this refusal to "fit in". Ironically, the hip hop subculture has become so uniform that its members are no longer rebels, but followers of their own cliches.

Fifth, the advancement of any race of people naturally takes hundreds of years. If we revisit this topic 100, 200, 700 or 800 years from now, obviously things will be very different.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 01:46 PM
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1st off, after reading the replies in this thread being a black man, i must respond by saying that most white people just don't get it. You guys just don't comprehend the lingering after-effects of the TRUE EVILS perpetuated by the trans-atlantic slave trade.

There is no comparison to the TRUE HOLOCAUST of the sons and daughters of Africa. The arrogance of most caucasoids in America sickens me to my stomach.

1st off, for all those who said Africans are to blame for the slave trade neglect to mention the fact of white manipulation through the use of alcohol and firearms. Which in turn poisons the African mind from figuring out the true exploitative nature of the "exchanges" being made. Who's behind the curtain? The white man and the arab man seeking profit.

Now, let's discuss the total DE-humanization of a whole race of people to justify the evils that took place. Let's begin by stealing and tampering with African history so those future generations that we force to come to this "New World" will never know who they were/are and the achievements accomplished by Ancient Kemet (Egypt for those who don't know it's TRUE name) & Ancient Nubia that birthed civilization to the world so that they will no longer have that historical connection embedded in them.

Then let's associate everything having to do with "black" to be negative and everything "white" to be "pure" to enforce the current system of world-wide white supremacy a la Willie Lynch's manual. This system affects the SUB-concious for those who don't know and directly affects the subconcious of the STOLEN African and other people of color world-wide. Who's behind the curtain? The white man in the form of the slave master, slave trader, overseer, slave catcher, etc.

After that's in place let's split up the stolen Africans from their families, rape and defile their women, force the men, women and children to labor for FREE for over 500 years. I repeat, FORCE them to work for over 500 years for FREE! Which breeds self-hatred. This was largely due to the fact that we as a people weren't even considered HUMAN in the first place. 3/5ths of a man is what they called us and most of you caucasoids still believe that to this day a la Eugenics. Lincoln himself said if he could maintain the union without "freeing" the slaves he would. Further proving my point about "white-privilege" aka "manifest destiny" aka "my God-given right to take and do what I please as a white man."

The founding-fathers were slave owners and sold their own illegitimate children into slavery. We weren't allowed to read and would be killed for doing so. We weren't even allowed to look caucasoids in the face directly. Lynchings involving castration, mutilation, being burned alive were spectacles and "party-time" for caucasoids who had nothing better to do but terrorize. Resistance meant death and the bettering of one's black self was not permitted. Everytime we try to get a foothold in so-called "American" society, a la BLACK WALL STREET, MARCUS GARVEY, MLK, MALCOLM X, THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY, etc. we get attacked and exterminated because America believes that blacks shouldn't better themselves, it's "bad for business." Who's behind the curtain? The white man. Plantations turned into factories and corporations to turn slave labor industrial rather than agricultural.

Stolen Africans built this entire country for NOTHING, fought and DIED for this country just to be constantly slapped in the face with arrogance. The Gov't has been against us from it's inception. Law enforcement has been the military arm of the white-supremacy system and has no respect for black people and never will.

To all those who say, "Black people are lazy, black people kill each other, only black people do crime," etc. etc. ask yourself these questions as to why this is so prevelant and rampant. Oh yeah, i forgot, it's black people's fault (insert sarcasm here). (continued on next post)



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 01:47 PM
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Who decided after so-called reconstruction to dishonor the 40 acres and a mule so black people can have land and begin to do for self? The white man in the form of the US Gov't. who said blacks aren't allowed to live normal lives. They are only fit for ghettos and low-income housing,

Who initiated terror and hate and made it CRIMINAL to even be in the presence of good old pure white people? The white man in the form of Jim Crow.

Who purposely sabotaged living conditions, employment opportunities, education, civil liberties, peace of mind, etc.? The white man.

Who pumps the inner-city full of drugs to poison the youth and destroy communities and further perpetuate stereotypes, crime, and wanton violence a la the corporate media machine. You guessed it, the white man in the form of the US Gov't, CIA, FBI, DEA and the rest of the alphabet terrorists.

No other race has ever been forced to deny their own history, work and build a country for FREE, take on the last names of oppressers to forever remind them that they are owned AND on top of that be denied the basic human rights to live life. No other race can fathom the cruelty of the Black Holocaust. If you rob a whole people of all of this what do you guys expect? I mean really. A NATION OF COWARDS is absolutely correct.

Caucasoids use people and drop them after like cheap hookers. Then, deny they've done anything wrong. that's the "American Way" i guess.

There is no "getting over" slavery when this very system thrives and benefits off of slave labor and has programmed stolen africans to hate themselves and remain enslaved mentally so they can't grow. There is no "moving on" when the root of the problem has yet to even be addressed on a serious level. I suggest the arrogance level of the general caucasoid be turned down several notches. Remember, racism was invented by white people for white people. Don't believe me?

Who slaughtered, raped, pillaged, enslaved, and mentally scarred the sons and daughters of Africa and oh yeah taught a race to hate themselves? The white man.

Who slaughtered, raped, pillaged, enslaved, and ruthlessly killed off the majority of the Native Americans and oh yeah stole their whole land? The white man.

Who slaughtered, raped, pillaged, and forced the Asian people to build the railroads and oh yeah drop an atomic bomb on a whole country of Asian people known as Japanese? You guessed it, the white man.

But oh yeah, i forgot, Obama's in office, the Native Americans have casinos, and we buy everything from China and Japan so there is no more racism......(insert sarcasm here). A NATION OF COWARDS INDEED. America's history is written in blood and the hands happen to be white. When caucasoids (so-called jews and arabs as well) are ready to acknowledge their role and truly accept the responsibility for their actions then and only then can race be discussed in a civilized manner. And just because you caucasoids may not have done these atrocities yourselves, i'm sure your ancestors had a large part to play in you being able to do whatever you please simply for lacking melanin.

White people should stop the lying and tell the truth and the majority of the world's problems would cease to exist. humanity itself was born in Africa. The first person to ever walk this planet as a human being was black. The ancient people of Kemet aka Egypt were black. Black Africans invented science, medicine, architecture, astronomy, script writing, law, government, religion, the list goes on. Stop believing what the jew-owned media wants you to believe black people are. Do some actual research and celebrate REAL black history and maybe, just maybe, you can understand a fraction of what my people have been through and maybe you can finally respect our contributions to society and not what's it's been perverted into. Hotep.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 02:11 PM
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Stop moaning! The argument you just made about the "white man" is just stuff you guys keep saying to keep this whole race thing alive.

Did any white man in Europe/USA today have anything to do with these people who made blacks work unpaid for 500 years? No they did'nt, did they. We wherent even born, so it has nothing to do with us.

I couldn't care less that you blame the "white man" (which is totally condecending asking us not to catagorise you, and then catagorising us) for stuff that never even happened to you anyway! No one made you work for free, no body raped you (hope not anyway), and no body took you away from your family (unless they was incompetant at parenting). So stop moaning.

I think you have under achieved in your life, so you look for a way to blame a "handicap". No person alive today had any part what so ever in the slave trade so you wont get any apology from me.

In my opinion, if you hate us whites that much you should go to a country that is mainly black. See how you like living there.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 02:42 PM
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Ok. I understand your point.
But :
-1) Black people is not the only one who've been slaughtered by others.
-2) Whites are not the only ones who slaughtered other peoples.

If as a black man, your intention is to-day not only to blame, but also get a revenge over the whites because of historical facts no living white man is responsible of, this will tremendously backfire on you.

The whole history of mankind is really heartbreaking.
But it's completely useless and counterproductive to live with revenge at the heart.
If you're aware of the history of Europe, you know that nowadays are living there people who fought against each others, making more than 50 million deads. Does that forbids them to live in peace ? NO. Why ? Because they managed to FORGET.
Revenge ? What for ? Self satisfaction ?

If you want to gain respect from other people and other races, you should remember that respect can't be gained from somebody you don't respect, and if you don't respect yourself.

Seriously, as a race, YOU have a problem.
Try to solve it. The respect will come with the solution.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 03:04 PM
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What you told in your post is not untrue.

So what ?

Do you intend to declare war on whites ?

Or, more precisely, is that the reason why you declared war on whites ?

You should fear the moment when they will realize that they are at war.

For the moment, they don't. And this was the aim of this thread.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 03:56 PM
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Well, let's see... I can avoid this discussion further and be branded a racist for not responding, or respond and be branded a racist for saying what I think. Guess which one I'm choosing?


1st off, after reading the replies in this thread being a black man, i must respond by saying that most white people just don't get it.

Absolutely right. I don't get it.


1st off, for all those who said Africans are to blame for the slave trade neglect to mention the fact of white manipulation through the use of alcohol and firearms. Which in turn poisons the African mind from figuring out the true exploitative nature of the "exchanges" being made.

Do I understand you correctly? The fact that the tribal leaders in Africa sold their own people to the traders for a profit makes them blameless?


Let's begin by stealing and tampering with African history so those future generations that we force to come to this "New World" will never know who they were/are and the achievements accomplished by Ancient Kemet (Egypt for those who don't know it's TRUE name) & Ancient Nubia that birthed civilization to the world so that they will no longer have that historical connection embedded in them.

OK, you can't trace your family tree very well. Neither can I, and I am Caucasian.

By the way, exactly when is "White History Month" again? I forget...


Then let's associate everything having to do with "black" to be negative and everything "white" to be "pure" to enforce the current system of world-wide white supremacy a la Willie Lynch's manual. This system affects the SUB-concious for those who don't know and directly affects the subconcious of the STOLEN African and other people of color world-wide. Who's behind the curtain?

OK, I'll admit you have a point here. I do not believe the language was manipulated just for the detriment of those with darker skin, however. Neither do I understand exactly how you would like to correct this. Perhaps everyone should learn a new language? Would that satisfy you?

This is exactly where I start to have a problem. I can easily imagine the following conversation:

Me: "Man, that was a mean storm we had yesterday! It turned black as night in the middle of the day!"

You: "Black as night? What do you mean by that? You're a racist!"

Thanks for pointing out that chip on your shoulder.

I'm not gonna even try to defend the attitude towards Negroids during the first era of the USA. It was reprehensible. But you, sir, have never been a slabve, and I have never owned a slave. Sorry to have to inform you of this, but slavery is illegal. Has been for a very long time now. Time to move on.


Everytime we try to get a foothold in so-called "American" society, a la BLACK WALL STREET, MARCUS GARVEY, MLK, MALCOLM X, THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY, etc. we get attacked and exterminated because America believes that blacks shouldn't better themselves, it's "bad for business."

Actually, every time that has been tried, it has either erupted into a violent mirror-image of the latter KKK (Black Panthers?) or there wasn't enough interest in the community to keep it going and it failed (Black Wall Street).

I also resent your inclusion of Dr. king in that list. He was certainly no failure. Today his name is revered in rthe majority of American society (even among us 'crackers'), his birthday is a national holiday, and every major US city has a major street named after him (forced by law in some cases).


Stolen Africans built this entire country for NOTHING, fought and DIED for this country just to be constantly slapped in the face with arrogance. The Gov't has been against us from it's inception. Law enforcement has been the military arm of the white-supremacy system and has no respect for black people and never will.

Not exactly. Your statement implies that other races had absolutely nothing to do with building the country. That is simply not true. Your statement implies that the main push of the government has been to harm darker-skinned races. So why do we have a Black Caucus in Congress, and why do we have a very dark-skinned President right now? I know the government is inefficient, but that's a bit over the top. Your statement implies that the police are there for the sole purpose to harass your race. then why do they also arrest whites?

It's those kinds of generalizations that keep you from being taken seriously by others and which will continue to keep you oppressed. And whether you believe it or not, those words did not come out of a white man's keyboard.


Who decided after so-called reconstruction to dishonor the 40 acres and a mule so black people can have land and begin to do for self? The white man in the form of the US Gov't. who said blacks aren't allowed to live normal lives. They are only fit for ghettos and low-income housing,

Who said that the place they lived would be crime-filled, gang-controlled, and in disrepair? The people who lived there. If I decided to let things go to rot and just l;ie around and drink up every dollar I had, robbing others to get my next drink or fix, this place would be a ghetto in short order.

There is only one real difference between the worst slum ghetto and the most lavish estate: the people who are there.


Who initiated terror and hate and made it CRIMINAL to even be in the presence of good old pure white people? The white man in the form of Jim Crow.

News flash: Those laws have been rescinded; Jim Crow is dead.


Who pumps the inner-city full of drugs to poison the youth and destroy communities and further perpetuate stereotypes, crime, and wanton violence a la the corporate media machine.

Who buys the drugs and poisons themselves by taking them? Hint: It's not the CIA.

Another news flash: that's not restricted to black neighborhoods.


No other race has ever been forced to deny their own history...

Native Americans


...work and build a country for FREE...

As before mentioned, you didn;t do it by yourself.


...take on the last names of oppressers to forever remind them that they are owned...

That was done by choice. Many took on the names of great American heroes (Washington for instance). There was no law or official procedure for choosing a surname; iot was a personal choice.


...on top of that be denied the basic human rights to live life...

Since slavery ended, it has been illegal to kill any other person without provocation, regardless of color. And I have never killed a black man.


No other race can fathom the cruelty of the Black Holocaust.

I'm sure the Jews could say the same thing about the German Holocaust.


If you rob a whole people of all of this what do you guys expect?

Anger and revolt. And when all that is corrected, what do I expect? A cessation of that anger and revolt.


I mean really. A NATION OF COWARDS is absolutely correct.

I would say you are correct. But when you make it impossible to debate, impossible to simply communicate without the force of law being used to strip you of social status, possessions, and everything you hold dear, just because a word was misconstrued, even if it was misconscued incorrectly... well, sir, what do YOU expect?"

You have made it illegal to disagree with you. Now you cry because no one will talk to you. Really, get a grip. You have freedom, a life, and as much opportunity as anyone else to better it (more actually, thanks to special programs developed only for Americans of African descent). You have hiring quotas, anti-discrimination laws, social pressure, forbidden words, your own special holidays, your own heroes, welfare, medicaid, and God alone knows how many other government benefits. You can accept those *Snip* and accept the conditions that come with them, or you can try to improve yourself the way the rest of the country does and try for a better life. You, sir, made that choice. Quit trying to blame it on me.


There is no "getting over" slavery when this very system thrives and benefits off of slave labor and has programmed stolen africans to hate themselves and remain enslaved mentally so they can't grow.

So are you saying that no matter what is done, no matter what other people do, you will always be a persecuted people? That sounds like there's really no sense trying. Maybe we should just wipe all those anti-discrimination laws off the books, since you just declared them useless.


There is no "moving on" when the root of the problem has yet to even be addressed on a serious level. I suggest the arrogance level of the general caucasoid be turned down several notches. Remember, racism was invented by white people for white people. Don't believe me?

No, I don't. I have had setbacks myself, seemingly insurmountable setbacks. Yet I moved on. You can't get where you want to go if you refuse to move.


Who slaughtered, raped, pillaged, enslaved, and mentally scarred the sons and daughters of Africa and oh yeah taught a race to hate themselves? The white man.

You forgot the black man, who was constantly warring with, slaughtering, raping, and pillaging neighboring villages/tribes. Both happened.


Who slaughtered, raped, pillaged, enslaved, and ruthlessly killed off the majority of the Native Americans and oh yeah stole their whole land? The white man.

Did I mention my Cherokee/Creek heritage?

Continued on next post


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posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 03:56 PM
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Who slaughtered, raped, pillaged, and forced the Asian people to build the railroads and oh yeah drop an atomic bomb on a whole country of Asian people known as Japanese? You guessed it, the white man.

OK, now you're being silly. That bomb was dropped to end a war that JAPAN STARTED. Sheesh, you're supposed to read the books, not just look at the pictures.


But oh yeah, i forgot, Obama's in office, the Native Americans have casinos, and we buy everything from China and Japan so there is no more racism......(insert sarcasm here). A NATION OF COWARDS INDEED. America's history is written in blood and the hands happen to be white. When caucasoids (so-called jews and arabs as well) are ready to acknowledge their role and truly accept the responsibility for their actions then and only then can race be discussed in a civilized manner. And just because you caucasoids may not have done these atrocities yourselves, i'm sure your ancestors had a large part to play in you being able to do whatever you please simply for lacking melanin.

OK, that's it.


You want to punish someone in my family tree for something they did? Dig him up and do what you think best! You want to whine and cry and moan about how terrible this country has been to you? GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!

You hide behind that keyboard, all safe and secure because soldiers are fighting across the gliobe for you, soldiers of all races, nmany of them dying for you, and cry about how evil everyone else is. What have you done that makes you worth the CO2 you're polluting the air with? What have you done that is worth you using up oxygen that could be used by someone worth a damn? Where do you get off blaming everyone around you, heck no, everyone in the nation, for your own miserable failure?

*Snip*. A man has some pridem, some self-dignity that will let him pick up from a bad start and go on with the race. A man takes responsibility for himself. A man doesn't blame his problems on everyone else. No one made you decide how much you learned in school. No one decided for you what kind of job you would accept. No one decided for you where you would live. You made all those decisions, and now that things don't work out like you think they should, you want me and every other hard-working person to pick up the tab for you, *Snip*

You want to know why I don't start conversations about this with blacks? Because sooner or later, someone like you will come along and start spouting this nonsense in my face, *Snip*. i don't talk that much with white trash either, for the same reason. In fact, I try to avoid all human scum, for that same sole reason: they're not worth it!


White people should stop the lying and tell the truth and the majority of the world's problems would cease to exist.

I just did. The problems are still here. You are still here.

(My apologies to those reasoned individuals who have read this. This is a topic that has been crawling up my spine for some time now, and it's finally reached that last nerve. I despise racism in any form, and will no longer tolerate it. Any mods who may be reading this, I hope you will take into account my normal demeanor, but as I do with all my actions (and as my opponent apparently never does), I am prepared to accept any consequences for this post.)

TheRedneck

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posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 04:20 PM
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People, People, People. Come on now, this is what they want and have been doing for years. The New World Order is using the Facism and Communist Rules of Revolution for years:

1) Corrupt the young (Mainly get them away from religion or a certain belief). But into todays world the Young are exposed to sex on the TV, Fowl Language, Alcohol, Drugs, and a bunch of other corruption techniques.
2) Break down old moral virtues. Makes children lose respect, experiment with drugs, have sex whenever one wants.
3) Encourage civil disorders and soften government attitude toward crime. Mkae the public get in riots and cause choas, get gangs to attack eachother with no remorse, have the weaker people be killed, and make absolute choas reign with little to no punishment.
4) Divde the people into hostile groups. Divide the nation, KKK, black panthers, religion, Nazi's, Pro-Choice, Pro-Life, Pro-Execution, Pro-Life, without unity in the people an easier success of takeover.
5) Get the people's mins off their government. Introduce football games, TV, baseball games, soccer games, basketball games, anything to get peoples minds off of their government and their governments true intentions. I bet the average person would be able to name more atheletes than governments officials.
6) Get Control over all media. *Cough* CNN- Communist News Network. The Media is absolutly negative in todays world and only what they want you to hear gets out.
7) Destroy peoples faith in their leaders. Self Explanatory.
8) Cause the registration of all firearms, leading up to the eventual gun Confiscation. Boy if that every happened it would be the poop hitting the fan, not to mention it says that people have the right to bear arms, its a law. Every Dictator tries to enforce gun control on his people.
Vladimir Lenin: "One Person with a gun can control 100 people without one."
9) Destroy the line of private property. In communism private property does not exist.

Especially #4, they have obviously divided us, we cannot help but blame eachother- we blame blacks, whites, asians, orange, red, and purple people. Our minds have become warped, the white man was not the originator of these evils- the Devil was, in the garden he tempted Adam and Eve, by saying that if they ate the fruit of the tree taht they would be like gods, a huge jump to the orginator and theory of evil~ evolution.

What is the main problem we have seen here? Hate towards lesser evolved people? The Indians, the Irish, the Asians, the African Americans, the Haitians, the Aborignials, the barbarians, the jews, and many more all blamed, killed, enslaved, why? Because they were viewed as less evolved, savages, apes. Thats why racism is still alive, because the root of the problem still and will continue to exist in us.

The KKK, the Black Panthers, gangs and other para-military organizations, strive to fight and destroy the lesser evolved. We need to rise above what we are doing, this stupid bickering at eachother, its your fault because your white or its your fault because your black, get over it, don't let our past continue to drive our future, do not let that happen, instead of putting the blame and using slavery or anything else, remember all colors were slaves at one point, instead of standing on a pillar in pride and hate towards everyone, use it as a memorial, something to never return to. Let that become our moral compass, that memorial, allow it to become the hope of nations and let that drive us into the future, but do not forget the past, use it as a memorial, not a crutch or a hate filled memory. Use it for good not evil.

Stand tall, stop the violence of hate and speech and learn from what we have done, not what we were. If only this message could get out to the gangs and the others para-military organizations, perhaps a large action of peace could complete this, not peace speech, but peace action, take action and show the NWO that we are stronger and more united than what they can imagine, let them fear our unity, lets use it as a weapon, because when they start there takeover and we are all surving or our own, in small communities protecting eachother, we need to learn that color is nothing, the soul is everything, we either need to learn to live together, or we are going to die alone.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by TheRedneck
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Well, let's see... I can avoid this discussion further and be branded a racist for not responding, or respond and be branded a racist for saying what I think. Guess which one I'm choosing?


Absolutely right. I don't get it.


i know you don't i was merely stating facts.


Do I understand you correctly? The fact that the tribal leaders in Africa sold their own people to the traders for a profit makes them blameless?


not once did you hear me excuse the participants of my own race, without white/arab interference, chattle slavery would have never existed in Africa. We should have had the right to govern our own people on our own land which we were doing before "colonization".


OK, you can't trace your family tree very well. Neither can I, and I am Caucasian.

By the way, exactly when is "White History Month" again? I forget...


How would you know that i can't trace my heritage? lol and FYI, White History Month is every day of the year in every school curriculum, all we are ever forced to learn about is caucasoids and the raping and pillaging you have done in the name of "manifest destiny". We got the shortest month of the year to learn only about the caucasoid perspective of slavery, mlk, and civil rights, NEVER the root causes of slavery, the practicioners of slavery, nor the financial legacy slavery has had for all non-colored peoples of the world.

We learn about how great the achievements of white people are and everything that white people have done but never the truth about how they obtained their knowledge and the others merely stole the knowledge and pervert it for division. HIS-Story Class IS White History day, month, and year. America even honors it's most perverted criminals and thieves with president's day, colombus day, and other days for it's criminals who just so happen to be white. You sir, fail again.


OK, I'll admit you have a point here. I do not believe the language was manipulated just for the detriment of those with darker skin, however. Neither do I understand exactly how you would like to correct this. Perhaps everyone should learn a new language? Would that satisfy you?

This is exactly where I start to have a problem. I can easily imagine the following conversation:

Me: "Man, that was a mean storm we had yesterday! It turned black as night in the middle of the day!"

You: "Black as night? What do you mean by that? You're a racist!"

Thanks for pointing out that chip on your shoulder.

I'm not gonna even try to defend the attitude towards Negroids during the first era of the USA. It was reprehensible. But you, sir, have never been a slabve, and I have never owned a slave. Sorry to have to inform you of this, but slavery is illegal. Has been for a very long time now. Time to move on.


To that conversation only an ignorant person would misconstrue that as being racist. With me having a bit of intelligence, i would solely understand that you were referring to the night sky as stated and not the color of my beautiful skin. As I am proud of blackness regardless of the context you said it in. There is no "chip" on my shoulder at all as I am merely stating facts that are irrrefutable.

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posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 06:26 PM
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And you're absolutely correct the climate/attitude was/is reprehensible. And FYI we are ALL still slaves, no longer with shackles, but mental and financial. Only reason most caucasoids are at alert now about fighting gov't is because hey finally figured out that the NWO/Zionists has them in their cross-hairs. Sorry to inform you, the gov't has had a New World Order on people of color since day one. Now today, that means you as well. As you should well know you're a slave to the federal reserve. but oh yeah, slavery is illegal time to move on right? Failure once again, because last time I checked if you have a SSN# it makes your skin black as mine.

And for that weak jab about the language all I have to say is I speak your Queen's English to stay ahead of what you guys are doing and to thoroughly know what you guys conspire about.


Actually, every time that has been tried, it has either erupted into a violent mirror-image of the latter KKK (Black Panthers?) or there wasn't enough interest in the community to keep it going and it failed (Black Wall Street).

I also resent your inclusion of Dr. king in that list. He was certainly no failure. Today his name is revered in rthe majority of American society (even among us 'crackers'), his birthday is a national holiday, and every major US city has a major street named after him (forced by law in some cases).


Oh really? hmmm, I wonder why? I mean for you guys to be the top enlightened "conspiracy theorists" why is this so hard to believe? I guess I must also have to point out this massive failure by you. The BPP was never a terror group the likes of the KKK. The KKK (33* Mason Albert Pike's boyz n da hoods) caused terror to uphold white-supremacy aka the status quo. The Panthers on the other hand, merely armed themslves to defend the community from antagonistic police officers, drug dealers planted by the FBI and Law Enforcement, and whoever wanted to destroy the community. The FBI was INVENTED for the sole purpose of DESTROYING and spying on black people and their leaders to silence opposition to the status quo. There are documents upon documents that state this and Gay Edgar Hoover made it his life's mission to get rid of "undesirables". Even with Dr. King being an integrationist he was murdered. And to honor him, America floods drugs on every MLK street to further the cycle of black vs black, brown vs brown, black vs brown etc etc.

Contrary to popular belief, the BPP stood up against the corrupt and racist police forces/brutality (which is still in effect today) in the neighborhoods, dispersed justice TO drug peddlers and pushers, clothed, fed, and policed it's OWN communities w/o white intervention. COINTELPRO, The Oakland Police Dept. and all other PD's and the FBI had a major role in "neutralizing" the party and killing Dr. King AND Malcolm X. You have to realize this was the federal gov't creating organizations to intentionally STOP the movement of black people wanting such trivial things as a right to buy a home and live where they wanted, just to go to school and get a decent education, or just the freedom of going to the store for groceries without being pummelled with rocks or high pressure hoses for simply "being black." I mean if this ws being done to you what would you do? I reiterate, I mean for you guys to be the top enlightened "conspiracy theorists" why is this so hard to believe?



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 06:26 PM
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Not exactly. Your statement implies that other races had absolutely nothing to do with building the country. That is simply not true. Your statement implies that the main push of the government has been to harm darker-skinned races. So why do we have a Black Caucus in Congress, and why do we have a very dark-skinned President right now? I know the government is inefficient, but that's a bit over the top. Your statement implies that the police are there for the sole purpose to harass your race. then why do they also arrest whites?

It's those kinds of generalizations that keep you from being taken seriously by others and which will continue to keep you oppressed. And whether you believe it or not, those words did not come out of a white man's keyboard.


1st off, my statement implies none of the sort. And there is no denying we did the most FOR the country and received the less. And please oh please show me where the gov't HASN'T been pushing for the harm of people of color? I just told you the FBI was CREATED for that SOLE purpose and after that mission was accomplished, they turned on it's own people by having the FBI we know today which is spying on ALL of us and not JUST us black people. You must definitely be blind if you think the military arm of the status quo is fair and balanced like Faux News lmao. The police ARE here for the sole purpose of harassing black, brown, red and yellow people. They arrest whites simply for the fact that there are more white people and to make it "look good" for the media so they can say, "Hey we're not racist!" You should go on tour with all these jokes you have sir.

And I for one don't support Obama as he is a Zionist puppet and if I remember correctly he isn't black, he's HALF black and he ain't no brother of mine if he sides with the Federal Reserve.


Who said that the place they lived would be crime-filled, gang-controlled, and in disrepair? The people who lived there. If I decided to let things go to rot and just l;ie around and drink up every dollar I had, robbing others to get my next drink or fix, this place would be a ghetto in short order.

There is only one real difference between the worst slum ghetto and the most lavish estate: the people who are there.


Wrong again my adversary, another failure. The gov't said that when reconstruction didn't do any "RE-constructing" at all. Yeah let's not honor yet ANOTHER promise and leave these people in the same rut there in except this time we will call it "share cropping" and let them stay in the shacks and huts they were in as slaves. And if they moved north or out west to escape the racism of the south, guess what? There were more than enough caucasoids to make their point of WE DON'T WANT YOU HERE. And after a while it gets tiring and you start to see the decay and never ending oppression, you assimilate accordingly. Don't misconstrue me either because I do believe black folks need to take responsibility for their own actions but if an unseen hand is fixing the very game I'm trying to play how can I ever win?

And if you think Jim Crow is dead, then yeah let me borrow the rose colored glasses you see through.



Who buys the drugs and poisons themselves by taking them? Hint: It's not the CIA.

Another news flash: that's not restricted to black neighborhoods.


Lack of knowledge of self has it's after-effects like anything that's negative and they wouldn't have to use or poison themselves if it weren't forced upon the community. And you're right it's not restricted to black neighborhoods, it just got to us first, that was a giant leap in the plan and the banksters realized they could profit more by locking up and taxing EVERYONE to get closer to population reduction and more marketing for their drug rackets.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 06:27 PM
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That was done by choice. Many took on the names of great American heroes (Washington for instance). There was no law or official procedure for choosing a surname; iot was a personal choice.


LMAO! And i'm sure whipping the hell out of an unruly slave who RIGHTFULLY doesn't want to be forced into slavery had nothing to do with it. I don't recall there ever being any Jones' or Smiths' or Johnsons living in harmony in Africa.


I'm sure the Jews could say the same thing about the German Holocaust.


If i'm not mistaken I think basic arithmetic states that 6 million < 100 million + and those are from documented sources. And oh yeah those so-called jews (who aren't even TRUE semetic peoples) participated ALONG with the Catholic Church in every facet of the slave trade from owning the ships and naming them such lovely names as the Holy Mary and the Good Ship Jesus to transport human cargo for profit, to financing or insuring the ships themselves. But we're all simple goyim to them though, nothing wrong with that right? I mean who wouldn't want to be on such a grand ship doing "God's" work. GTFOH And ummm last I checked the so-called jews so-called Holocaust happend on foreign soil, ours happened on the soil of the so-called land of the "free".


I would say you are correct. But when you make it impossible to debate, impossible to simply communicate without the force of law being used to strip you of social status, possessions, and everything you hold dear, just because a word was misconstrued, even if it was misconscued incorrectly... well, sir, what do YOU expect?"

You have made it illegal to disagree with you. Now you cry because no one will talk to you. Really, get a grip. You have freedom, a life, and as much opportunity as anyone else to better it (more actually, thanks to special programs developed only for Americans of African descent). You have hiring quotas, anti-discrimination laws, social pressure, forbidden words, your own special holidays, your own heroes, welfare, medicaid, and God alone knows how many other government benefits. You can accept those *Snip* and accept the conditions that come with them, or you can try to improve yourself the way the rest of the country does and try for a better life. You, sir, made that choice. Quit trying to blame it on me.


I expect nothing but the same for caucasoids who think like you do. Never once have I made it impossible to debate, that came from your mouth, or hands rather, I'm merely stating facts and you can't deny any one of them. They can be researched for yourself. I have freedom? lol could have fooled me. NO ONE will have freedom until the Fed is crushed. And for the record, I don't have nor want those stupid "laws" that you mentioned because thats all self-defeating nonsense because basic human rights to work, eat, sleep, live shouldn't HAVE to be forced. I'm against affirmative action as much as you may be. We shouldn't have to police corporations or businesses to act right. REAL black people don't need nor want handouts. We want the right to do as we please WITHOUT white intervention PERIOD.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 06:28 PM
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OK, that's it.

You want to punish someone in my family tree for something they did? Dig him up and do what you think best! You want to whine and cry and moan about how terrible this country has been to you? GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!

You hide behind that keyboard, all safe and secure because soldiers are fighting across the gliobe for you, soldiers of all races, nmany of them dying for you, and cry about how evil everyone else is. What have you done that makes you worth the CO2 you're polluting the air with? What have you done that is worth you using up oxygen that could be used by someone worth a damn? Where do you get off blaming everyone around you, heck no, everyone in the nation, for your own miserable failure?

*Snip*. A man has some pridem, some self-dignity that will let him pick up from a bad start and go on with the race. A man takes responsibility for himself. A man doesn't blame his problems on everyone else. No one made you decide how much you learned in school. No one decided for you what kind of job you would accept. No one decided for you where you would live. You made all those decisions, and now that things don't work out like you think they should, you want me and every other hard-working person to pick up the tab for you, *Snip*

You want to know why I don't start conversations about this with blacks? Because sooner or later, someone like you will come along and start spouting this nonsense in my face, *Snip*. i don't talk that much with white trash either, for the same reason. In fact, I try to avoid all human scum, for that same sole reason: they're not worth it!


LMAO. Who said anything about punishing anyone? Look who's all defensive. There's an old saying that goes, "A hit dog, will holler" and in this case we see who got hit. Anyone can see I ONCE AGAIN for the umpteenth time have only presented FACTS that can be researched online or in a LIEbrary. Who's hiding behind a keyboard? I will gladly stand up for what I say in person with no fear of any caucasoid. I sir, don't condone or want any 'race' war. All i want is for the issue to be placed on the table correctly and have people RESPECT that the slave trade has had the MOST negative impact on our current society and most caucasoids (not all) have to take ownership of those atrocities and begin building a bridge to work towards never having to go through that again. I don't "blame" anyone.

Let me break it down for you simply sir, if you threw a rock through my window and broke it, I see you throw it and then you run and say you didn't throw the rock, but when i corner you and question you about throwing the rock you say you didn't mean to throw the rock, but my window is still broken. So am I wrong for wanting you to take responsibility for the window regardless of your intentions? Am I wrong for wanting you to pay for the broken window regardless of how cold it is or what can get inside my home from that broken window?

I thought so. For the record i have no quarrel with anyone here on this board, i'm merely answering the topic and stating FACTS nothing more. And if i'm so wrong for stating FACTS then prove me wrong......

PS: Some of my best friends are white......lol j/k but i do get along with "like-minded" individuals who happen to lack melanin and who's knowledge isn't limited to "white-privelege"

Hotep.



posted on Feb, 22 2009 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by orkson
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What you told in your post is not untrue.

So what ?

Do you intend to declare war on whites ?

Or, more precisely, is that the reason why you declared war on whites ?

You should fear the moment when they will realize that they are at war.

For the moment, they don't. And this was the aim of this thread.


LOL here we go again....where did i ever state I would like a "war" on whites? There's been a WAR on people of color since when simple Euro-Peons thought the earth was flat lol

I don't want any such thing. Only thing this black man wants is for evil caucasoids to accept responsibility for their actions. You yourself even admitted I was right. All I want in form of reperations is to clean up and develop the "hood", take out every drug plaguing the community, actually REHABILITATE people and not just store them in a box who were affected by the drug/slave trade and then leave us the hell alone. PERIOD.



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