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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
Why do I as a white person need to acknowledge skin color when I converse with another? That doesnt make sense.
I have no problem discussing race, I do have a problem getting others to talk about it without using the nonsensical pc buzzwords, like diversity(ugh).
I never mark my race on forms, either, I always put human. That question needs to be erased from all forms.
I just do not understand why white people would have a problem discussing race with black people, wouldnt that be the perfect time to get your thoughts out and discussed??
As far as avoiding the race topic, when my son was mugged in school by two black thugs, I most certainly was not the one avoiding race. I brought it up, and was called a racist, to which I replied no I am NOT. They were black and they were thugs. In my city, it seems that race is avoided being talked about intelligently, and is now discussed in those sickening pc terms of diversity and such.
[edit on 20-2-2009 by hotbakedtater]
Originally posted by pieman
reply to post by prevenge
rubbish, we see people as groups and judge them as the average on a bell curve all the time, to say that race isn't as good an indicator as any is blinkered.
there is a "black culture",a "white culture", a "hispanic culture", and so on, in the states, race plays as much a part in peoples lives as the hobbies and interests they persue or the religous views they have.
if it's okay to judge a person wearing an NRA t-shirt or reading a sci-fi novel or having a picture of a fish on their bumper on a bell curve, until you know better, then why not a black or an asian person?
most racism stems from the idea that this is a bad thing to do, if we saw race as being only as important as our taste in fiction, racism would be a non-issue.
[edit on 20/2/09 by pieman]
1st off, after reading the replies in this thread being a black man, i must respond by saying that most white people just don't get it.
1st off, for all those who said Africans are to blame for the slave trade neglect to mention the fact of white manipulation through the use of alcohol and firearms. Which in turn poisons the African mind from figuring out the true exploitative nature of the "exchanges" being made.
Let's begin by stealing and tampering with African history so those future generations that we force to come to this "New World" will never know who they were/are and the achievements accomplished by Ancient Kemet (Egypt for those who don't know it's TRUE name) & Ancient Nubia that birthed civilization to the world so that they will no longer have that historical connection embedded in them.
Then let's associate everything having to do with "black" to be negative and everything "white" to be "pure" to enforce the current system of world-wide white supremacy a la Willie Lynch's manual. This system affects the SUB-concious for those who don't know and directly affects the subconcious of the STOLEN African and other people of color world-wide. Who's behind the curtain?
Everytime we try to get a foothold in so-called "American" society, a la BLACK WALL STREET, MARCUS GARVEY, MLK, MALCOLM X, THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY, etc. we get attacked and exterminated because America believes that blacks shouldn't better themselves, it's "bad for business."
Stolen Africans built this entire country for NOTHING, fought and DIED for this country just to be constantly slapped in the face with arrogance. The Gov't has been against us from it's inception. Law enforcement has been the military arm of the white-supremacy system and has no respect for black people and never will.
Who decided after so-called reconstruction to dishonor the 40 acres and a mule so black people can have land and begin to do for self? The white man in the form of the US Gov't. who said blacks aren't allowed to live normal lives. They are only fit for ghettos and low-income housing,
Who initiated terror and hate and made it CRIMINAL to even be in the presence of good old pure white people? The white man in the form of Jim Crow.
Who pumps the inner-city full of drugs to poison the youth and destroy communities and further perpetuate stereotypes, crime, and wanton violence a la the corporate media machine.
No other race has ever been forced to deny their own history...
...work and build a country for FREE...
...take on the last names of oppressers to forever remind them that they are owned...
...on top of that be denied the basic human rights to live life...
No other race can fathom the cruelty of the Black Holocaust.
If you rob a whole people of all of this what do you guys expect?
I mean really. A NATION OF COWARDS is absolutely correct.
There is no "getting over" slavery when this very system thrives and benefits off of slave labor and has programmed stolen africans to hate themselves and remain enslaved mentally so they can't grow.
There is no "moving on" when the root of the problem has yet to even be addressed on a serious level. I suggest the arrogance level of the general caucasoid be turned down several notches. Remember, racism was invented by white people for white people. Don't believe me?
Who slaughtered, raped, pillaged, enslaved, and mentally scarred the sons and daughters of Africa and oh yeah taught a race to hate themselves? The white man.
Who slaughtered, raped, pillaged, enslaved, and ruthlessly killed off the majority of the Native Americans and oh yeah stole their whole land? The white man.
Who slaughtered, raped, pillaged, and forced the Asian people to build the railroads and oh yeah drop an atomic bomb on a whole country of Asian people known as Japanese? You guessed it, the white man.
But oh yeah, i forgot, Obama's in office, the Native Americans have casinos, and we buy everything from China and Japan so there is no more racism......(insert sarcasm here). A NATION OF COWARDS INDEED. America's history is written in blood and the hands happen to be white. When caucasoids (so-called jews and arabs as well) are ready to acknowledge their role and truly accept the responsibility for their actions then and only then can race be discussed in a civilized manner. And just because you caucasoids may not have done these atrocities yourselves, i'm sure your ancestors had a large part to play in you being able to do whatever you please simply for lacking melanin.
White people should stop the lying and tell the truth and the majority of the world's problems would cease to exist.
Originally posted by TheRedneck
reply to post by Red Black Green
Well, let's see... I can avoid this discussion further and be branded a racist for not responding, or respond and be branded a racist for saying what I think. Guess which one I'm choosing?
Absolutely right. I don't get it.
i know you don't i was merely stating facts.
Do I understand you correctly? The fact that the tribal leaders in Africa sold their own people to the traders for a profit makes them blameless?
not once did you hear me excuse the participants of my own race, without white/arab interference, chattle slavery would have never existed in Africa. We should have had the right to govern our own people on our own land which we were doing before "colonization".
OK, you can't trace your family tree very well. Neither can I, and I am Caucasian.
By the way, exactly when is "White History Month" again? I forget...
How would you know that i can't trace my heritage? lol and FYI, White History Month is every day of the year in every school curriculum, all we are ever forced to learn about is caucasoids and the raping and pillaging you have done in the name of "manifest destiny". We got the shortest month of the year to learn only about the caucasoid perspective of slavery, mlk, and civil rights, NEVER the root causes of slavery, the practicioners of slavery, nor the financial legacy slavery has had for all non-colored peoples of the world.
We learn about how great the achievements of white people are and everything that white people have done but never the truth about how they obtained their knowledge and the others merely stole the knowledge and pervert it for division. HIS-Story Class IS White History day, month, and year. America even honors it's most perverted criminals and thieves with president's day, colombus day, and other days for it's criminals who just so happen to be white. You sir, fail again.
OK, I'll admit you have a point here. I do not believe the language was manipulated just for the detriment of those with darker skin, however. Neither do I understand exactly how you would like to correct this. Perhaps everyone should learn a new language? Would that satisfy you?
This is exactly where I start to have a problem. I can easily imagine the following conversation:
Me: "Man, that was a mean storm we had yesterday! It turned black as night in the middle of the day!"
You: "Black as night? What do you mean by that? You're a racist!"
Thanks for pointing out that chip on your shoulder.
I'm not gonna even try to defend the attitude towards Negroids during the first era of the USA. It was reprehensible. But you, sir, have never been a slabve, and I have never owned a slave. Sorry to have to inform you of this, but slavery is illegal. Has been for a very long time now. Time to move on.
To that conversation only an ignorant person would misconstrue that as being racist. With me having a bit of intelligence, i would solely understand that you were referring to the night sky as stated and not the color of my beautiful skin. As I am proud of blackness regardless of the context you said it in. There is no "chip" on my shoulder at all as I am merely stating facts that are irrrefutable.
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Actually, every time that has been tried, it has either erupted into a violent mirror-image of the latter KKK (Black Panthers?) or there wasn't enough interest in the community to keep it going and it failed (Black Wall Street).
I also resent your inclusion of Dr. king in that list. He was certainly no failure. Today his name is revered in rthe majority of American society (even among us 'crackers'), his birthday is a national holiday, and every major US city has a major street named after him (forced by law in some cases).
Not exactly. Your statement implies that other races had absolutely nothing to do with building the country. That is simply not true. Your statement implies that the main push of the government has been to harm darker-skinned races. So why do we have a Black Caucus in Congress, and why do we have a very dark-skinned President right now? I know the government is inefficient, but that's a bit over the top. Your statement implies that the police are there for the sole purpose to harass your race. then why do they also arrest whites?
It's those kinds of generalizations that keep you from being taken seriously by others and which will continue to keep you oppressed. And whether you believe it or not, those words did not come out of a white man's keyboard.
Who said that the place they lived would be crime-filled, gang-controlled, and in disrepair? The people who lived there. If I decided to let things go to rot and just l;ie around and drink up every dollar I had, robbing others to get my next drink or fix, this place would be a ghetto in short order.
There is only one real difference between the worst slum ghetto and the most lavish estate: the people who are there.
Who buys the drugs and poisons themselves by taking them? Hint: It's not the CIA.
Another news flash: that's not restricted to black neighborhoods.
That was done by choice. Many took on the names of great American heroes (Washington for instance). There was no law or official procedure for choosing a surname; iot was a personal choice.
I'm sure the Jews could say the same thing about the German Holocaust.
I would say you are correct. But when you make it impossible to debate, impossible to simply communicate without the force of law being used to strip you of social status, possessions, and everything you hold dear, just because a word was misconstrued, even if it was misconscued incorrectly... well, sir, what do YOU expect?"
You have made it illegal to disagree with you. Now you cry because no one will talk to you. Really, get a grip. You have freedom, a life, and as much opportunity as anyone else to better it (more actually, thanks to special programs developed only for Americans of African descent). You have hiring quotas, anti-discrimination laws, social pressure, forbidden words, your own special holidays, your own heroes, welfare, medicaid, and God alone knows how many other government benefits. You can accept those *Snip* and accept the conditions that come with them, or you can try to improve yourself the way the rest of the country does and try for a better life. You, sir, made that choice. Quit trying to blame it on me.
OK, that's it.
You want to punish someone in my family tree for something they did? Dig him up and do what you think best! You want to whine and cry and moan about how terrible this country has been to you? GO SOMEWHERE ELSE!
You hide behind that keyboard, all safe and secure because soldiers are fighting across the gliobe for you, soldiers of all races, nmany of them dying for you, and cry about how evil everyone else is. What have you done that makes you worth the CO2 you're polluting the air with? What have you done that is worth you using up oxygen that could be used by someone worth a damn? Where do you get off blaming everyone around you, heck no, everyone in the nation, for your own miserable failure?
*Snip*. A man has some pridem, some self-dignity that will let him pick up from a bad start and go on with the race. A man takes responsibility for himself. A man doesn't blame his problems on everyone else. No one made you decide how much you learned in school. No one decided for you what kind of job you would accept. No one decided for you where you would live. You made all those decisions, and now that things don't work out like you think they should, you want me and every other hard-working person to pick up the tab for you, *Snip*
You want to know why I don't start conversations about this with blacks? Because sooner or later, someone like you will come along and start spouting this nonsense in my face, *Snip*. i don't talk that much with white trash either, for the same reason. In fact, I try to avoid all human scum, for that same sole reason: they're not worth it!
Originally posted by orkson
reply to post by Red Black Green
What you told in your post is not untrue.
So what ?
Do you intend to declare war on whites ?
Or, more precisely, is that the reason why you declared war on whites ?
You should fear the moment when they will realize that they are at war.
For the moment, they don't. And this was the aim of this thread.