Illegal Immigrant - White Caucasian Settlers - Let Truth Be Spoken

There is nothing to debate - all indigenous Indians soon will be dead or integrated into US dream or alcoholics.

Then all crusaders and invaders of America will turn down to South America and will get rid of the rest of Indians. They will cut all the trees, make Brazil a biggest desert in the World and move down to Argentina.

Unless there will be dramatic shift in human consciousness - ethics and morality and conscience (the still small voice) will go all the way down the drain.

That's not it. Genetics and computer science will merge and our grandchildren will be mutant-robots - they will be able to swim under water, remember and record everything, fly, communicate without language - brain to brain (no telepathy)... and all sorts.

Half of the population will live in the virtual reality anyway, so there will be no need for countries, religions and ideologies.

IT's interesting that there's many different types of people in this thread.
Some agree with me and see my logic
others see my logic but kinda disagrees or sees both sides of both arguments
and some state their ancestral origins stating they are not descendants of illegal invaders, fair enough
and some are in denial, feel insulted by this thread and call me a...... racist?????

they are the funniest of all, it's like they interpret me saying "Hey you, you are who you are"
and they are like "ohhh, how can you insult me like that with historical fact, you are a racist"

this type of thinking is mainly the the purpose of this thread, because there are so many of these type of characters in North America. They need to be educated and they need to remember how and why they are here.

But not only are they in denial, the reason for them being in denial is ignorance.
They feel offended to be called descendants of immigrants, but the only reason why they feel insulted is because the media has conditioned them to believe the word immigrant is an insult.
But an immigrant is just a settler, and I keep saying there's nothing wrong with that but still they call me a racist, lol.

it's like I say "hey you settler", and they are like "ohh you insulted me"
hahaha, now that is funny.

now they have upgraded their tactics by using the word 'illegal alien' now.
if an illegal alien has kids here, then are they legal aliens?
doesn't that make most of you here aliens then?

See the problem is that you have allowed yourself to let the media define both you and them.

And although you may, once again, call me a racist it's the opposite that is actually true.
I think knowing and acknowledging settler colonialism will help deter racism.
So this thread is anti-racism and pro-revolutionary in fact.
Because if you know that you are an immigrant you wouldn't call more 'recent' immigrants Immigrants in a derogatory sense.

Originally posted by Mynaeris
reply to post by stevegmu

 

I was pretty amazed by ModernAcademia's post. Mostly because he doesn't live in America and obviously hasn't been dealing with the impact of the illegal problem in this country. As far as I understand he lives in Canada and is an Indian immigrant there.

I am more confused by his statement about everybody being illegal immigrants. I suppose he never heard of Ellis Island?

[edit on 19-2-2009 by Mynaeris]

He probably never heard of the Bering Land Bridge migration theory as well. Too bad. I am in favor of the illegal aliens change their own country to their liking before they come to change mine.

Let Mexican Billionaires pay for the poverty in their own country instead of sending it to America. Why should Americans have to pay because the rich Mexicans have no sympathy for their fellow countrymen? Why should the few families who control 98 percent of Mexico get to export their problems to the United States? The rich get richer and the poor are told to invade America. I have heard nobody criticize the Mexicans for not taking care of their own. You folks do realize that not all Mexicans are poor as dirt don't you?

You do realize that hundreds of millions of dollars a day are sucked out of Arizona and sent to Mexico to further criminal enterprises right? Each criminal drop house can generate up to a million dollars a day from extortion. There are hundreds of them in the area around Phoenix. You do know the whole illegal alien industry thrives on coercion, extortion, physical violence and death right?

I would love to see how the apologists react when it is their neighborhoods that become drug infested hellholes of criminal activity.

WE HAVE A RIGHT TO PROTECT OUR COUNTRY FROM INVASION!! Try going to Mexico without a passport, or job, or documentation. See how long you stay on the streets and then come and cry to this thread about who is being mean to illegal immigrants.

NO COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WOULD LET PEOPLE STREAM OVER THE BORDER LIKE AMERICA DOES. EVEN MEXICO DOES NOT DO IT.

Here's a reply to MA. How about we quit going back into the past and look to our future? Lets also take a look at the present. Laws have to be put into place for protection. These ILLEGAL immigrants BROKE THE LAW. They are felons and should be persecuted as such. Ignorance of another countries law does not mean you are free to break them. Also our country is an english speaking country, if you were to travel to france or germany, it is an understanding you should speak their language. My family history goes back to the mayflower, yet that has no bearing in today's world. It is the same with the black people calling themselves African-americans. If you moved here from africa you are african american. If you were BORN in america you are not african american, only black. Just like me I am only white, I'm not German-american or Irish american. Just an american. To me you are full of ignorance which this site is to deny ignorance. I agree there may not be a "right" to own land or put ones name on it. However this is how the world is. For example I own my house, if anyone is to "invade" it I have the basic human right as well as law to protect MY property which includes death to anyone who invades it. ILLEGAL immigrants are INVADING our country and we DO have a right to defend it.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

This angers me so much that many educated people on this board think this way.

Whether you want to remember or not, whether you think it's currently important or not all white caucasians in North America are the sons and daughters of not only illegal immigrants but crusaders that came here with Genocide as their passports.

You just put yourself in the "Educated people who think a certaion way". You simply stated a lie w/out any facts. For starters....

1. why is it directed at all white people?

2. I'm not the son of an illegal immigrant or crusader who's come here with genocide on their mind. I can trace my ancestors from Rome and Ieland/Scottland to the registry on ellis Island.They were as poor as dirt and worked like slaves.

So much for the ignorance of your idiotic, racsit genocidal, anti white theory. SHOT down in flames.

If you went to the future and read this story in a book you would look at these people as horrible human beings. Before reading on please take a pause, close your eyes and pretend you are looking back at this as so.

Of course we'd look horrible. You just like EVERYONE whose written history has based it on their own personal perception of things which occured.Anybody can make all people look horrible in the eyes of others.Doesn't make it accurate though.

You want to say that we are not our ancestors?
Fine say it, but don't forget it.
And even if you refuse to remember it you still cannot call this your land.
So people should be able to go wherever their feet takes them.

When a person is born in a land, it's their land whether you want to believe it or not., it's a fact. Their NATIVE land. Everybody does go where thier feet take them. Unfortunately there are rules to abide by that everyone else follows. So by yor logic I can break into your house and do whatever I want? If I get hurt breaking in while you defend your families lives, I should be able to sue you for everything you own? If this is your belief, then your logic and reasoning is flawed badly.

It's so unfair, your ancestors invade this place and today you call others who come here illegally yet peacefully and you call them what you are but are exempt because of amnesty.

Get some statistics. Many of these people aren't peaceful but drug traffickers or murderers and rapists running from crimes in their own countries. The ones who murder and rape our children and steal jobs from naturalized citizens.

We're exempt because we're born here. No different than an anchor baby. Only difference is those whites built this country into the modern civilization it is today.The reason everyone is coming here. For what the caucasion man built. So in essence, all the other races support invading and genocide. And lets be real. Before you go pointing fingers accusing white people, remember that every race and religion has committed these atrocities.

Your govt. sells guns, arms, puts a dictator in place in foreign nations, the people riot and you call them savages.
Your govt. imperializes, installs bases in foreign land and the people retaliate and you call them terroists.

I agree

Many, none here i'm sure, but many tell black people to go back to their country when it was their ancestors who brought them here in the first place against their will.

None of my ancestors. Spain was involved in the slave trade which introduced it to the Eoropeans from where it spuraled out of control. many of their own tribes in Africa were selling them to the Europeans, so there's plenty of people and races to blame. So get off the WHITE male nonsense, because I never owned a slave. No one in my family ever owned one and no black man crying about slavery today has ever been one.

It's all so damn backwards, but you refuse to empathize because of the side of the fence which you reside in will hurt your conscience once you acknowledge it.

You seem not able to empathize. The quality of our families ways of life has all but diminished. I break my back (modern slave) to feed and provide my family with services to better their lives not take care of criminals who break our laws. I can barely feed my kids and I'm supposed to feed them.

Why aren't you blaming their country men and the peoplr in their government who obviously don't care enough about their own to help them survive. Has this affected your life at all? Probably just another person talking from another country who life this has never had an impact on.

This is hypocrisity in it's highest form!

I think the hypocrisy is that you speak from something you don't understand or from a onesided view.Look at it from and unbiased POV and make a rash judgement.

My family has personally been affected by Ilegals manipulating the system by filing a false claim, and the judgement is now in excess of $100,00.00 with interest. They put liens on everything he owns.The evidence which they based they're judgment on is in the board files and they still never provided the evidence which will clear him of this. He was subpeoned by an investigator and the investigator was provided with where to find the evidence (from th etestimony in the hearing). All of a sudden he refuses to answer calls and emails to provide the evidence because now that the evidence proves innocence, and his employer, NYS won't recieve their corruptly manipulated settlement.

My family member contacted every NY senator, mayor, civil rights activists, aclu, Dept of Justice, congress, IRLI, lwayers and tons of other people. Nobody has the decency to reply. How come it's alright for NYS to break the law in not upholding it regarding immigration and the laws they passed but aren't held accountable. He has all the documentaion and testimony from the case but nobody will even look at it. No one wants justice but money. We have all the proof that he's innocent so that's all that matters.

Anyone know of how to go about suing the people involved.Would we use a civil suit, what type of lawyer. Not very experienced in the matter and seek info. How can I upload the documents. Any info which can help please u2u

Funny thing is my family member still isn't racist or against immigrants, just the scum manipulating our system

I am the son of legal immigrants. They waited in line, they had to speak english, they had to have a sponsor, a place to stay, a job waiting for them. I've been crowded out of every town I've lived by the illegal immigrant wave. The taxes in my home state just skyrocketed, and the state is being made insolvent no thanks to being forced to support illegals.

There's a reason for capacity limits. There's a limit on immigration. There's a capacity limit to my home, my wallet, and my patience.

I am angry at illegal immigrants. The damage is clear and personally felt.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by Dbriefed]

Here's my blue-blooded truth:

My family has been in North America since the early 1700's, both my Mom and Dads side. There is even American Indian blood in the family from the early 1800's. Yea, that means someone in my family befriended an American Indian (or tribe) 200yrs ago... unlike the media/public school versions that make you believe pioneers killed them all.

My great Aunt (82) tells me stories about her great grandparents telling stories about family members roaming out west, from New Hampshire and Eastern Canada to Ohio and beyond. They would build grass huts for shelter and trade with Indians - she still has beads and arrow heads that were passed on. Great stories and artifacts that I look forward to every year we visit.

So what is this "TRUTH" you are talking about???? There is truth in any INDIVIDUAL story, but don't let a few bad apples create a "general truth."

Moreover, the SIMPLE TRUTH IS, those of us with founding families were doing better BEFORE the US GOVERNMENT started to experiment in the "MELTING POT" idea.

Listen, I travel the world and appreciate culture, but never have I thought of staying in a country to feed off hard working residents.

My family has built up a lifestyle over GENERATIONS and I hope to continue the legacy... and keep building better things for my children.

THE BULLCRAP is when some 3rd World FOOLS come to this country with the expectation of sucking our tits for free (no meaningful contributions to the economy), don't assimilate, don't speak English, have 8 babies, can't pay for their house, charge their CC like it's free money, etc...

That's THE G-DAMN TRUTH.

I am not responsible for anything political that happened before the first year I could vote; 1972.

No voice in the debate, no responsibility for the outcome.

So spare me the "your ancestors" bullberries.

Bizarre reasoning as demonstrated by too many people in this post leads to the sort of ongoing stupidity seen in the Old World. People in the Balkans fighting about silly stuff that happened between their ancestors 800 years ago.

Until the Euro-peons have cleaned up the mess in the Balkans and North Ireland, they should shut up about America and deal with problems closer to home.

You did say Let Truth Be Spoken...

[edit on 20-2-2009 by Researcher]

What a load of huey.

The idea that any race has any sayso over the earth is a load of crap.

That is like me saying I have control over this part of my mother while my brother gets the other part.....the very assumption of ownership of the earth flies in the face truth.

The only reason to support capitlism simply bleeds down to the idea that the enemy of my enemy is my friend....it at least can get close to freedom as one can get while living in North America under the present system.

The earth will shake us off like a dog shakes off its fleas.....

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Yep Your absolutely right ! I have said the same things over and over many times.

Originally posted by whiteraven
What a load of huey.

The idea that any race has any sayso over the earth is a load of crap.



The earth will shake us off like a dog shakes off its fleas.....

100% agree with you...

reply to post by prevenge


Hehe, great point! The only flaw with the OPs post is that A) Not every white person that came to america did it willingly. The british brought over indentured servants (pretty much slaves) to work the fields as well. B) Your making the mistake of putting everyone into the same category. C) Remember chief, your people came here to from somewhere else. By your logic we are all immigrants, willing or unwilling.

You also have to remember that for the time frame you speaking off, there was no such thing as illegal immigration, a country has to be running and a government established. "Illegal Immigration" wasn't really a factor until around the 1950s when *drum role* poor europeans were flooding into this country to escape europe. Thats when the first immigration laws were passed that had some teeth..the hilarious part is that one of the reasons those laws were passed was because congress and others believed that this flood of illegal immigrants would dumb down the population! Classic, you can't make this stuff up!

Its obvious that the frustration your feelin right now is the reasons behind this post (the rancher forced to pay illegal immigrants). Their just pissed because illegal immigrants we're payed by that damn rancher and those people are ignorant of the whole situation. They don't understand the kind of exploitation that occurs there and abuse. Oh yea that's rights, if it isn't on 20/20 or dateline, they won't believe it anyways...

So yea, americans bitch and complain when ANYONE comes into this country illegally..as a matter a fact I bitch about it. The unfortunate part about this whole situation is that there are no easy answers, but the answers are always hard to swallow when it forces this hypocritical country to look itself in the mirror. Go USA!

[edit on 20-2-2009 by cenpuppie]

Originally posted by Astyanax
in spite of all the spittle-flecked right-wing vigilantes squatting on the Mexican border like toads, cheeks stuffed with Oreos, automatic rifles at the ready, their hoglike buttocks obscenely overflowing their folding chairs.

Hey Sunshine... Are they "squatting" on the border or "sitting in chairs"???

Just thought I would lend some "editorial assistance" vis-a-vis assisting you in molding your "grandiose manifesto" into somewhat more cohesive tripe.

reply to post by ModernAcademia


Yes I have thought this too, in respect of Israel/Palestina but also with respect to the discrimination of black people. Somehow we all forgot about the real natives. Who are now dealing with alcoholism and obesity. Anyway I am happy for them that their casinos are at least making some of them rich. But still how strange it must be for Native Americans today to be alloted reservations when once the whole continent was theirs.



[edit on 20-2-2009 by QueenofWeird]

reply to post by QueenofWeird


To me its simply tragic and barbaric. a literal wealth of unknown knowledge gone forever, sorta like what the spinards did to the peeps in central and south america, swoop, squat, and demolish.

When you look at in the long run..it's simple conquest, that how you conquer. You invade and occupy. Your children and futher lineage have native born rights and as much as as those that been here for generations.

OP, it's just a systemic destruction. We had nothing to do with the past we HAVE to leave it there. Harping on it will only lead to bitterness and that stuff festors like and old sore, let it go homie, let it go. We can only control and influence what happens now, right now.

Aside from this, this thread is great read

I disagree with those saying we have to forget the past.

natives are still living in reserves today, this is the present.
People still celebrate thanksgiving, this is present, despite it meaning family day for some. Change the date and name in that case.

Iraq is happening today and happened very recently, it's settler colonialism all over again I guarantee you! History is repeating itself, so how can we forget the past?

And Iraq is one country, there are many more to come that will be colonized, but the govt. must portray them as a threat first.

Over 800 military bases in over 140 countries, what do you guys think is happening right now?

The entire timeline is important, past, present and future!

Originally posted by Researcher
I am not responsible for anything political that happened before the first year I could vote; 1972.

When did I ask you in this thread to be accountable for those colonial actions?

Nice hot button issue. It is regrettable that our ancestors did what they did to the Native Americans and others. And I would not want to sound like I am defending or excusing them. But let's not miss the point here. I live in an agriculturally rich area of the US which depends heavily on migrant labor. When I grew up here in the 50's and 60's the migrant labor force came from other states to work here. Mostly Arkansas and Oklahoma and other states. Young people wanting to buy their first car worked in the orchards and other fields. Now that work force is almost entirely Mexicans who have brought their lawless mindset here to our valley. Violence has skyrocketed here. Grafitti is everywhere. Gang shootings and murders of children. Someone even robbed and beat the Mexican ice cream vendor pushing his cart! All of this violence is directly related to the flood of illegal immigrants coming here daily on buses traveling to and from Tijuana. In my opinion, immigrants are not the problem. It's people like you who are the problem. Try to get a driver license or any other public assistance of any kind in our city and you will see what a burden these people are putting on our society. It's time to stop this drain on all of us.

Originally posted by evo190
THE BULLCRAP is when some 3rd World FOOLS come to this country with the expectation of sucking our tits for free (no meaningful contributions to the economy), don't assimilate, don't speak English, have 8 babies, can't pay for their house, charge their CC like it's free money, etc...

That's THE G-DAMN TRUTH.

ahaha
I've travelled a bit as well
but look at you only speak of immigrants.

There are plenty of american citizens doing the same thing you describe in your welfare state of a country. Blame the neocons, they want it to be a welfare state and have never been opposed to it.

Why single out recent immigrants?
Seriously why?

You have way more ammo to blame neocons, globalism, offshoring, this welfare state, corporate accounting fraud, bailouts, stimulus packages, charity fraud etc...

Illegals are just a needle in the haystack as far as this strained economy is concerned.

So again, why single them out?
They are just trying to settle and feed their families.

And 3rd world fools? Thanks to your elected officials this country's 1st world fools will soon be 3rd world fools.

8 babies? Look at that octo woman, is she an illegal?
your post is full of stereotypes, so yes you must remember how you are in this country. Absolutely.

An Immigrant calling another immigrant an immigrant in a derogatory sense. Thanks for fueling my argument.

Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Why single out recent immigrants?
Seriously why?

You have way more ammo to blame neocons, globalism, offshoring, this welfare state, corporate accounting fraud, bailouts, stimulus packages, charity fraud etc...

Illegals are just a needle in the haystack as far as this strained economy is concerned.

So again, why single them out?
They are just trying to settle and feed their families.

Simple.

Look Here - Don't Look There.