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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
So i've been somewhat active in the thread about the ranch owner that assaulted some illegal immigrants and got fined, and because of this vigilanteism many are angry at the court outcome.
This angers me so much that many educated people on this board think this way.
[Whether you want to remember or not, whether you think it's currently important or not all white caucasians in North America are the sons and daughters of not only illegal immigrants but crusaders that came here with Genocide as their passports.
[So the logic where, your grandfathers crusaded over here, then killed, raped, murdered the natives and then stuck the rest of them in 'reservations', and now after settling here through amnesty(because children born here are citizens even though their parents are immigrants) you call other illegals immigrants when they are just more peaceful and hungry versions of you great grandfathers is so very sad and has no logic whatsoever.
If you went to the future and read this story in a book you would look at these people as horrible human beings. Before reading on please take a pause, close your eyes and pretend you are looking back at this as so.
If Israel completely took over palestine, some of these same people would be anti-israel because they know it's wrong. But when they are the descendants of oppressors they have a different opinion.
You want to say that we are not our ancestors?
[And even if you refuse to remember it you still cannot call this your land.
So people should be able to go wherever their feet takes them.
It's so unfair, your ancestors invade this place and today you call others who come here illegally yet peacefully and you call them what you are but are exempt because of amnesty.
Your govt. sells guns, arms, puts a dictator in place in foreign nations, the people riot and you call them savages.
Your govt. imperializes, installs bases in foreign land and the people retaliate and you call them terroists.
Many, none here i'm sure, but many tell black people to go back to their country when it was their ancestors who brought them here in the first place against their will.
It's all so damn backwards, but you refuse to empathize because of the side of the fence which you reside in will hurt your conscience once you acknowledge it.
This is hypocrisity in it's highest form!
So I ask you, please flag this thread, I wish for as many ATS members to come here and debate this topic as possible.
Present-Day Native American Life • The average life span in some tribes is 45 years. – Nationally, the average life span is about 10 years less than the average. • Deaths by suicide among Native American males aged 15 to 24 is 50% greater than among the general population’s youth. • The most serious problem facing Native Americans today is alcohol abuse.
Your statements show your fierce lack of intelligence. Since 20 million + are in this country illegally. That's not just illegal IT'S AN INVASION.
Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Thank you all for the above posts showing logic, understanding and empathy, the posts above the ones I am quoting.
I starred each of your posts.
Originally posted by stevegmu
You just seem to be pretty upset at the US. I take it you are American Indian?
Well, my grandparents on my father's side came here legally from Ireland and Germany, while my mother is Sicilian. Just one exception proves your statement incorrect.
No I was born in NY, my parents are east indian not native indian
and if your parents came here legally then correct me if i'm wrong but you are not a white caucasian.
I am talking solely about the descendants of european colonists.
But also everyone else to show some empathy, understanding and knowledge of history.
Originally posted by Jenna
Two wrongs don't make a right. Yeah our ancestors did some pretty awful things, none of which I condone, but none of us had any say in what happened nor can we help where we are born. Even though they came here and took over does not make it ok for people to enter the country illegally now. By that logic it would be perfectly fine for us to revert to slavery, except this time lets enslave all the white people and call those who aren't white indentured servants. We can even go back to whipping people for not doing farm work quickly enough. It'll be great.
Yes I understand what you are saying but that is not the purpose of this thread.
I don't believe in an eye for an eye, so I am not at all suggesting that the same should happen to you.
But at least remember and understand your history and how are here now.
Your race does not own this land, and it is imperative that you understand this.
Fine you don't like what happened in the past.
But you didn't mention that many of what happened in the past is occuring today again.
So it's so important that you remember.
Originally posted by Mynaeris
reply to post by stevegmu
I was pretty amazed by ModernAcademia's post. Mostly because he doesn't live in America. As far as I understand he lives in Canada and is an Indian immigrant there.
I am more confused by his statement about everybody being illegal immigrants. I suppose he never heard of Ellis Island?
I was born in NY as if that makes a difference.
Because no it doesn't.
I am not an illegal immigrant but I am still somewhat speaking on their behalf. But I guess that perspective is beyond you, or you wouldn't have mention where I live.
I never said everyone is an illegal immigrant you must have not understand my post.
Secondly it's imporant to understand that I am not insulting white caucasians living in North America, which includes both USA and Canada.
You only think the word immigrant is an insult because the media made you think so.
An immigrant is just a setter, and it's okay to settle.
But to be a son of a settler and then insult more 'recent' settlers has no logic whatsoever.