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Illegal Immigrant - White Caucasian Settlers - Let Truth Be Spoken

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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:31 PM
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Originally posted by Snisha

Originally posted by NightVision
So basically all you have to do to rule the world is be white and have loads of cash?

Isn't that what's already occurring?


Try telling that to China


Funis Duo


Dear China:

All you have to do to rule the world is be white and have loads of cash.



Best,

NightVision


P.S. Lead-based paint rules!




posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:31 PM
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Color has got nothing to do with it so stop using it as excuse for your pathetic failures, money, now that's another story,Power, true POWER is color blind. Do you really think the republican nazis or the democrat nazis are going to care what color any of us are when the start loading us into railcars because we wont go along with ANYONES version of a new world order. Democrat or Republican, they are just different sides of the SAME COIN, they crave power & controll, complete power & complete controll.




posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:33 PM
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I am very sensitive to the Native American plight, but only as it stands currently, not 400 years ago.

But, the fact is, Someone was gonna invade here. If it wasn't Europe, it was gonna be shortly someone else.

Be kinda glad,as CRAPPY as they did it, it wasn't the Germans or Japanese.

Then where would you be? Not under the protection of one of the most powerful forces on Earth.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by bootsnspurs33
reply to post by NightVision
 
Color has got nothing to do with it so stop using it as excuse for your pathetic failures, money, now that's another story,Power, true POWER is color blind. Do you really think the republican nazis or the democrat nazis are going to care what color any of us are when the start loading us into railcars because we wont go along with ANYONES version of a new world order. Democrat or Republican, they are just different sides of the SAME COIN, they crave power & controll, complete power & complete controll.



I'm White, Powerful, Control-craving, rich, and love sports arena stampedes. Anything wrong with that?



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:45 PM
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To sum up this Post - Rediculous. This Post is ALL Heart and no logic. I don't give a Damn what my ancestors did. I don't care what your ancestors did. If you want to live in the Greatest Country on Earth, and a vast majority of the world do, then there are ways to accomplish that goal.
Under your logic, everyone is entitled to come here by default because you don't like the History of this country. Do you think America is the only country to have some blemishes during it conception?
Litterally Millions of brave Americans DIED for your right to live here and be FREE. Your rant spits on their graves, making you no better than the rapists & murders of the past. Part of being Free is respecting each other, each others rights, and obeying the laws that keep us FREE. Go live somewhere else if you don't like our laws. Anyone who died protecting this country would be the 1st to denounce ANY illegal alien trying to infringe on our freedoms by breaking our laws and pissing on our constitution. Do you have any concept of Honor?



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:51 PM
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It makes you to rigid and very,very unadaptable,caught in your own trap, you will wind up serving whoever helps you keep it.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:53 PM
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Thank you for the thread "ModernAcedemia". I think that your name says it all. I could not have posted a better summation of what is wrong with our educational system.

You said, "Whether you want to remember or not, whether you think it's currently important or not all white caucasians in North America are the sons and daughters of not only illegal immigrants but crusaders that came here with Genocide as their passports."

Ignoring the blatant racism in your statement. Your opinion reflects a bias against the US that unfortunately too many share. It also shows a very shallow and limited knowledge of history, both recent and ancient.

Why did you limit your comments to North America? Are the inhabitants of South America somehow more legitimate? I don't know why that would be, since many of them are the direct decendents of the Conquistadores, who you tried to imply were the ancestors of current North American whites. Except that it would completely destroy the strawman that you were setting up.

Also please note that most Mexicans, Guatamalans, Hondurans, etc. also have ancestors who were the Spanish settlers of those areas.

I don't suppose that it will do any good, but let me explain a few facts to you.

First of all, not all white people are the decendents of the Pilgrims. In fact the vast majority of whites are decendents of people who immigrated to the US after the Civil War. Many of them were political and economic refugees who came here legally. Hmmm. So much for the "crusader" argument.

I would also like to point out that not all blacks in this country are the decendents of slaves. Our current President is a great case in point. None of Barrack's ancestors were slaves in the New World. Unless of course there is a black ancestor on his mother's side. This is quite possible but I have not seen any documented evidence of that yet.

Another great point is that there are virtually no "Native Americans" who are 100 percent native. So, which part of them is legitimate and which part is not? Should they cut off an arm or a leg and ship it back to Europe? Since many of them have ancestors who were French fur trappers, are they illegitimate too?

The history of the New World (both North and South America) is long and involved and it takes time to understand the intricacies and nuances of it.

It doesn't serve you well to make indictments of people based on their skin color or heritage. It only makes you look ignorant. By ignorant, I mean a willfull disregard of the facts.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:55 PM
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Thank you for the thread "ModernAcedemia". I think that your name says it all. I could not have posted a better summation of what is wrong with our educational system.

You said, "Whether you want to remember or not, whether you think it's currently important or not all white caucasians in North America are the sons and daughters of not only illegal immigrants but crusaders that came here with Genocide as their passports."

Ignoring the blatant racism in your statement. Your opinion reflects a bias against the US that unfortunately too many share. It also shows a very shallow and limited knowledge of history, both recent and ancient.

Why did you limit your comments to North America? Are the inhabitants of South America somehow more legitimate? I don't know why that would be, since many of them are the direct decendents of the Conquistadores, who you tried to imply were the ancestors of current North American whites. Except that it would completely destroy the strawman that you were setting up.

Also please note that most Mexicans, Guatamalans, Hondurans, etc. also have ancestors who were the Spanish settlers of those areas.

I don't suppose that it will do any good, but let me explain a few facts to you.

First of all, not all white people are the decendents of the Pilgrims. In fact the vast majority of whites are decendents of people who immigrated to the US after the Civil War. Many of them were political and economic refugees who came here legally. Hmmm. So much for the "crusader" argument.

I would also like to point out that not all blacks in this country are the decendents of slaves. Our current President is a great case in point. None of Barrack's ancestors were slaves in the New World. Unless of course there is a black ancestor on his mother's side. This is quite possible but I have not seen any documented evidence of that yet.

Another great point is that there are virtually no "Native Americans" who are 100 percent native. So, which part of them is legitimate and which part is not? Should they cut off an arm or a leg and ship it back to Europe? Since many of them have ancestors who were French fur trappers, are they illegitimate too?

The history of the New World (both North and South America) is long and involved and it takes time to understand the intricacies and nuances of it.

It doesn't serve you well to make indictments of people based on their skin color or heritage. It only makes you look ignorant. By ignorant, I mean a willfull disregard of the facts.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:57 PM
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Originally posted by bootsnspurs33
reply to post by NightVision
 

It makes you to rigid and very,very unadaptable,caught in your own trap, you will wind up serving whoever helps you keep it.


If you are suggesting that I couldn't pay off your mortgage with my credit card, that would be an incorrect assumption. Wait...BRB...my butler is calling ...



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by bootsnspurs33
Another load of trash from the "I hate America" crowd,

Where did I mention my hatred towards America?
Stop putting words in my mouth.
thx in advance.



Originally posted by skoalman88
Every once in a while someone posts a truly asinine thread that others praise. First of all, whites were not illegal immigrants since the "natives" said they didn't own the land. Secondly, that was like 400+ years ago so get over it. Third, these so called white illegals came here and built one of the greatest countries ever.

Should many instead praise those saying "we conquered the land now it's ours"? Sounds like clones of G. Bush to me.

And as mentioned who cares if Natives didn't own the land?
What if this was let's say sweedish anarchists living here first?
And they believed in no govt. and no law
Does that mean since there was no ownership we gotta murder them and steal their habitat, kill their culture almost and stick them into reserves?

Maybe they wanted to be a free people
They didn't need to understand ownership as you have grown up to.


Originally posted by skoalman88
How about we have an intellectual debate about the crisis rather than employing Marxist tactics to suppress this dialogue?


Well I tried having an intellectual debate my friend
You can scroll through this thread and find out
I kept saying how about we stop talking about the symptoms(illegals) and only focus on the source(lack of border security).

But noooo, everyone is like "ya man we gotta get rid of dem illegals man, 3rd world fools man, drain on our society man"

Scroll through the thread and you'll see for yourself
then get back to me
unless you disagree with that viewpoint



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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Whether you want to remember or not, whether you think it's currently important or not all white caucasians in North America are the sons and daughters of not only illegal immigrants but crusaders that came here with Genocide as their passports.

What a bunch of bs. Show me any written law that was violated. Show me what sovereign nation's rights were violated when Europeans started moving to the Americas. There were no laws about immigration back then.

When the first people made the crossing over the ice fields were they also violation the immigration laws?

Crusaders with genocide as their passports? Can you show me one crusader passport stamped genocide?

Sovereign nations have the right to regulate immigration to their country. When people immigrate illegally a nation has the right to deport them.

I understand that this nation was build on the backs of immigrants. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't control immigration.

Right now we have unemployment running at very high levels. Explain to me why someone who is in this country illegally should have any rights to employment over someone who is a legal resident of this country.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:06 PM
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You really need to take the energy and focus on the problems that Indians face now, not then.

And it is a problem. Substandard living, substandard schools. They are in poverty. It is awful.

Need to focus on the living.

And no, it is not because they are drunks, they are drunks because their conditions are so awful. And don't bring up casinos. Only a select group of Indians own casinos. That is like expecting Donald Trump to hand out all his money to the white people.

Only 20% of the Navajo have running water. Tell me, where else in the US does only 20% of the population have running water?

Yet the governmetn won't give it to them.

Navajo Nation faces water crisis



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Wildbob77
Sovereign nations have the right to regulate immigration to their country. When people immigrate illegally a nation has the right to deport them.

I understand that this nation was build on the backs of immigrants. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't control immigration.


You really need to read all my posts in this thread
Because I do agree with what you said that I quoted



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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I find your moral superiority amusing


The reality is that illegal aliens should not be here. There is a path for legal immigration so there is really no reasonable excuse.

The reality is that FIRST, we need to take care of the people within our own borders before we start taking care of people outside our borders. By allowing ILLEGAL aliens to enter as they see fit, we do both a disservice to our own people but in the long run, them as well.

Again, your fantasy image of how the world SHOULD BE, sounds great but the reality of what the world IS, is vastly different.

I also don't understand why it's ok for you to be a hypocrite but it's not ok for anyone else???

This has got to be one of the most inane, simple minded threads I have posted in since John Lear claimed people were living on Jupiter



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:12 PM
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I think it's absolutely hilarious that people want to talk about hypocrisy, history and morals when discussing immigration and slavery, while ringing in on political alignment and wars.

Great stuff. You guys should write stand-up.

If you want to get into immigration, while don't you ALL go back to Africa. Yes, you too Mr. Latino. As well as you Mr. Caucasian. Yes sir Mr. Asian ... you may follow behind, too.

If you're not accepting that we all share the same basic DNA and we all arose out of the "Cradle of Civilization", then you all need to find another planet to live on.

War is reality. Difference equals strife. It has for a millenniums and will for thousands of years more. Whether you're speaking in terms of political, religious or any sort of separation from another group.

Unless you're willing to put aside all differences between you and the person with which you disagree (in this case, Americans that are anti-illegal immigration), then you really have no legs on which to stand.

Difference is what led people to expand out of Africa and seek new lands in which to settle. This went on for thousands and thousands of years, until nations and kingdoms arose. Since then, it's been whoever carries the biggest stick that really has the last say. And it's all because of difference.

If you want to change anything about it, you're going to have to invest a lot more than just time sitting down and typing up a thread about illegal immigration.

Don't mean to sound disheartening, but you're only fueling the fire. You're creating more angst and strife by dividing people, thus creating turmoil - that which has fueled this fire we've called civilization for tens of thousands of years.

Learn to find something in common with your "enemy". In doing so, you're not only turning something negative, into something positive - you might also find that you may change some peoples minds ... open their eyes and actually change this world that is dominated by difference.

Has anyone ever heard the term, "Divide and Conquer"?
It's no joke.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by tyranny22]



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:20 PM
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Will you people PLEASEEEE READ ALL MY POSTS

People keep coming up with the same arguments that i've replied to once, twice and even thrice.

Seriouslyyyyyyyy


Now, read this
www.mediamonitors.net...

Some homework for you people that desperately need it!



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:22 PM
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It's simple. Persons who evolve fastest will always have more power. White people (Europeans) have invented the technology to allow them to have more power. When they came upon the shores of Plymouth rock, they had guns. Indians didn't. Its just survival of the fittest.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

Some homework for you people that desperately need it!


And here is some for you my dear Canadian friend...

www.manhattan-institute.org...



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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Something else I find incredibly amusing (ironically sad) is that illegals seem to have more rights the US citizens.

I'm all for helping the other guy but not before I help my friends and family.

Let's not wipe out the US by taking away jobs from US citizens.
Forcing US citizens to pay for illegals health care when they themselves probably don't have healthcare.
Pay for illegals taxes when they can barely pay for their own.

Yeah OP, I know you keep saying, read my posts but unless you've completely changed your stance from beginning to now, reading your posts isn't going to make you more right.

Someone wrote that your opening post is all heart and no logic
and that is a perfect way to sum up this thread.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 01:28 PM
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Well I didn't colonize the Americas, and I didn't enslave any Africans, even though my ancestors were mis-treated when they arrived here, I don't hold any grudges. And yes I am white Caucasian.

However I have spent my entire life here and I consider it my country. I believe I have the right to be angry with the people that come here illegally and do harm to our economical and social infrastructure. Do you still pay for the sins of your fathers? I don't.

You do know that the "Natives" they stole the land from and put into reservations were not here originally here right? I mean you have researched the fact that they were also immigrants to these lands right? I'm not saying any of this is O.K., but again, I see no need to pay for these sins.

Do you think they laid down and let them do that? Of course not, they fought the invaders. Well, it would be an injustice to not to do the same thing. We must fight for the land that they stole from people that stole it from someone else.




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