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Illegal Immigrant - White Caucasian Settlers - Let Truth Be Spoken

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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 10:45 AM
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What would you do with 12 million Illegal immigrants then? Send them to the place of origin?

Do you realize that lots of Illegal immigrants pay taxes and add money for your social security retirement?

Any idea how much the economy depends on this Illegal immigrants? What do you think will happen if you send them all to their countries?

Now, all the people who say they are waiting to come here legally, have a sponsor and a job waiting, are concious that many of Illegal immigrants dont have a way to come here legally? Why? Because in order to apply for a Visa you have to have a good amount of money in your bank, have a property and a steady job? These people don't have any of that, so their only option to provide for their families is to break the law and look for a better future...

The government knows that even thought they spend money on Illegal immigrants, they also contribute to the economy, and is probably more than what they spend.




posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia

I am talking solely about the descendants of european colonists.


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Here we go again. Reverse racism charades as enlightenment.

Descendants of Europeans are all evil right? This means that any crime by a non white should be ignored while whites should be attacked, right?

Quit using the past as a reason to advocate a racist agenda.

You can't hold live people accountable for what dead people in history did.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:12 AM
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Here's a new thread I came across and the video puts into perspective, the ramifications of immigration. I suggest it be viewed because I think it is way worse than any of us even have a clue.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:14 AM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
So i've been somewhat active in the thread about the ranch owner that assaulted some illegal immigrants and got fined, and because of this vigilanteism many are angry at the court outcome.

This angers me so much that many educated people on this board think this way.

Whether you want to remember or not, whether you think it's currently important or not all white caucasians in North America are the sons and daughters of not only illegal immigrants but crusaders that came here with Genocide as their passports.

Not true, my grandparents came here legally.


So the logic where, your grandfathers crusaded over here, then killed, raped, murdered the natives and then stuck the rest of them in 'reservations', and now after settling here through amnesty(because children born here are citizens even though their parents are immigrants) you call other illegals immigrants when they are just more peaceful and hungry versions of you great grandfathers is so very sad and has no logic whatsoever.

Well lets just go ahead and open up all our borders so anyone can come in whenever they like. This is basically what you're advocating isn't it? So how do you think this will work out? Do you honestly think the only people that will cross over the border are those with love in their hearts and honor in their souls?
Let's even go so far as to say only the good ones will come here. How will they make money? Who will they displace? Will you be ok with everyone who is displaced? If so, where will the displaced people go?


If Israel completely took over palestine, some of these same people would be anti-israel because they know it's wrong. But when they are the descendants of oppressors they have a different opinion.

Sorry we can't go back and change the past.
Also keep in mind that we are not responsible for what some ancestors had done.


You want to say that we are not our ancestors?

Just did but thanks for asking



Fine say it, but don't forget it.

No, it's a reasonable and real statement.


And even if you refuse to remember it you still cannot call this your land.
So people should be able to go wherever their feet takes them.

And in a perfect world, there would be no hunger, no wars, no hatred and no disease. NEWSFLASH !! we don't live in a perfect world so open boarders won't work.


It's so unfair, your ancestors invade this place and today you call others who come here illegally yet peacefully and you call them what you are but are exempt because of amnesty.

Again, can't change the past, get over it.


Your govt. sells guns, arms, puts a dictator in place in foreign nations, the people riot and you call them savages.

Don't blame that on me pal. I don't agree with that any more then you do.


Your govt. imperializes, installs bases in foreign land and the people retaliate and you call them terroists.

Actually, people that TARGET and blow up churches, schools, malls, etc.. to create fear and terror as policy, are terrorists. You can't call them anything else.


Many, none here i'm sure, but many tell black people to go back to their country when it was their ancestors who brought them here in the first place against their will.

HUH?


It's all so damn backwards, but you refuse to empathize because of the side of the fence which you reside in will hurt your conscience once you acknowledge it.

That's a nice fantasy but reality if unfortunately, vastly different.


This is hypocrisity in it's highest form!

How about your hypocracy? Have you packed your bags to leave yet? After all, like you said, it's not your land? You can post here because those who came before you fought for the soil they wanted, right or wrong. So you are benefiting from the misery of the oppressed. I could go on and on regarding examples of your hypocracy but you get the point.



[edit on 20-2-2009 by jfj123]



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:15 AM
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posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:18 AM
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The OP is associating all caucasians with genocide of the native american people. The OP is being racist but it seems to be acceptable these days as long as it is directed towards white people.

Had this thread been any other race of people the moderators would have closed the thread down. Racism is supposedly a violation of the T & C. I guess only racism towards certain races matter.

You hate white people. We get it. Don't hide your blatant racism and hate behind a post about illegal immigrants. Just come out and say it.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:21 AM
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You might find this interesting, its about an American family stranded in Pakistan! www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by Erasurehead
reply to post by badgerprints
 


The OP is associating all caucasians with genocide of the native american people. The OP is being racist but it seems to be acceptable these days as long as it is directed towards white people.

Had this thread been any other race of people the moderators would have closed the thread down. Racism is supposedly a violation of the T & C. I guess only racism towards certain races matter.

You hate white people. We get it. Don't hide your blatant racism and hate behind a post about illegal immigrants. Just come out and say it.



What an awesome post

I so appreciate what you posted, I gave you a star. Only the 2nd time I've done that since april 2007



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:23 AM
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Finally joined due to this post.

You are a joke. My country is able to do all these things you ranted about because its people have forged ahead, evolved, and has become the greatest country in known history. Albiet some of their doings are immoral and brutal, but find me a civilization, a great leader, an animal species that hasn't been accused of such acts. It's all part of the game.

Don't bring up events that happened back in the day and try to compare them. FACT IS, if your so called "natives" were able to defend themselves against these "european immigrants," we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.

What do you suppose they should have done, "Oh, this land is occupied, lets turn around and go home." Get out of here man. If it wasn't these "european immigrants," it would have been someone else.

Too many "hippies" these days crying about how in an ideal world everyone would be happy and get along. GUESS WHAT, PEACE is just that, and ideology.....not reality, never gonna be reality. There will ALWAYS be someone looking to take advantage of others in the quest for power.

The fact is, the land known as the United States of America is now a country governed by rules. And to see one of its citizens being sued for doing what's right in my eyes, keeping the illegals out of this country, is totally outrageous.

Obama should crack down on this and shut those borders down. Build a wall, outposts, guns, whatever. This isn't a nice world people, stop trying to govern your lives like it is.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:29 AM
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Firstly many people here are asking a few questions
but please look at my posts in this thread
I've already answered those questions that many are asking



Originally posted by Erasurehead
The OP is associating all caucasians with genocide of the native american people. The OP is being racist but it seems to be acceptable these days as long as it is directed towards white people.


How am I being racist?
Please explain
How can you make an accusation like that without explaining it?


Originally posted by Erasurehead
You hate white people. We get it. Don't hide your blatant racism and hate behind a post about illegal immigrants. Just come out and say it.

Ummm, please don't put words in my mouth
I do not hate any race.

and no "we" do not get it
Who is "we"? You?

There seems to be more people agreeing with my post than disagreeing.

So you are both trying to put words in my mouth and speaking on the behalf of many others wherein many don't share your opinion.

Thanks



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:33 AM
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these people are not illegal immigrants but they got the same kind of treatment
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 11:37 AM
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Originally posted by Alexander_Supertramp
So are you saying it's okay for people to illegally enter the United States because that's how our idiotic, power-hungry, land-hungry, ancestors did it?

WELL TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS!!!!
American man deported to Pakistan!!!
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:00 PM
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Another load of trash from the "I hate America" crowd, you allow (& even want) our enemies to attack us while you stab us in the back & you call it compassion,you encourage slothfullness & laziness & call it welfare,you promote filth on the radio,tv & screen & call it freedom. Cheer-up, it's working.We now live in a nation (and have for some time)without a moral compass & plunging headlong towards the destruction of a constitution that with Gods help created the most powerfull,advanced,&generous nation in the history of the world.My great granddads people met my great grandmoms people when they got of the boat.Tell me where that makes either of them ILLEGAL.You are a liar & you know it,the difference in how most of our ancestors got here & how we're being invaded now is that our ancestors came here or were asked to come by a needful U.S. govt. LEAGLLY,not scurrying across the border undercover like a bunch of cockroaches. An American citizen has the right to defend his home & property, we all should & I will, with extreme prejudice if necessary.




posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:05 PM
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So basically all you have to do to rule the world is be white and have loads of cash?

Isn't that what's already occurring?



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:07 PM
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Every once in a while someone posts a truly asinine thread that others praise. First of all, whites were not illegal immigrants since the "natives" said they didn't own the land. Secondly, that was like 400+ years ago so get over it. Third, these so called white illegals came here and built one of the greatest countries ever. They didn't come here and send their money back to their homeland, or come here and not find a common language, or come here and live off of everyone else's hard work.

This "whites were the first illegals" is a foolish and futile attempt to deflect attention of the epidemic of illegal aliens and what a drain they are on our nation. Rather than actually discussing illegal aliens, morons try to make this a humanitarian issue or regurgitate trash like this thread about whitey.

How about we have an intellectual debate about the crisis rather than employing Marxist tactics to suppress this dialogue?

I think the OP's name says it all: this mentality, this constant victimization, the constant buck passing are all products of the Marxist/Socialist strangle hold on ModernAcademia.

[edit on 20-2-2009 by skoalman88]



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:11 PM
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Originally posted by NightVision
So basically all you have to do to rule the world is be white and have loads of cash?

Isn't that what's already occurring?


Try telling that to China


Funis Duo



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
Firstly many people here are asking a few questions
but please look at my posts in this thread
I've already answered those questions that many are asking



Originally posted by Erasurehead
The OP is associating all caucasians with genocide of the native american people. The OP is being racist but it seems to be acceptable these days as long as it is directed towards white people.


How am I being racist?
Please explain
How can you make an accusation like that without explaining it?


Originally posted by Erasurehead
You hate white people. We get it. Don't hide your blatant racism and hate behind a post about illegal immigrants. Just come out and say it.

Ummm, please don't put words in my mouth
I do not hate any race.

and no "we" do not get it
Who is "we"? You?

There seems to be more people agreeing with my post than disagreeing.

So you are both trying to put words in my mouth and speaking on the behalf of many others wherein many don't share your opinion.

Thanks


Racism (rā′siz′əm) - feelings or actions of hatred and bigotry toward a person or persons because of their race

Now lets take a look at part of your original post.
"All white caucasians in North America are the sons and daughters of not only illegal immigrants but crusaders that came here with Genocide as their passports.

Your grandfathers crusaded over here, then killed, raped, murdered the natives and then stuck the rest of them in 'reservations', and now after settling here through amnesty(because children born here are citizens even though their parents are immigrants) you call other illegals immigrants when they are just more peaceful and hungry versions of you great grandfathers is so very sad and has no logic whatsoever."

You think this way about all whites even though most of us have had nothing to do with what happend hundreds of years ago. My grandfather and great grandfather had nothing to do with what happened to native americans. A group of Europeans came here and did this. It is wrong to include all whites in your statement.

Lets reverse the roles for a moment.
Say I created a thread titled: The truth - why the Native Americans were easily defeated by a small group of Europeans. Then I went on to state the reason was because all Native Americans were lazy good for nothing drunks.

Would you think that this was a racist post? Do you think Native Americans would be insulted? I think so.

Can you now see why your post could be perceived as racist by white people who had nothing to do with genocide against Native Americans?


[edit on 2/20/2009 by Erasurehead]



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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Why would someone assume you are Native American? That is so odd. OK if I were to guess your nationality from a "post" I would guess you were a caucasion female with loads of time on her hands? How fair is that?
anyhoow;Well done! It helps when we are open and really listen to all sides. It is when we have an opinion and will not listen to anyone else that ignorance over shadows it seems.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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If this issue is not about race then you should support the United States in its fight against illegal immigration.

If no person or nation can lay a claim of ownership to a piece of the Earth, then you should also support the fight against illegal immigration.

I do not use race to separate people out in political discussions. If you are speaking on the issues of law, the only standard by which you can classify people is legality. At this point today, The Government of the United States lays claim to the borders and boundaries of a portion of North America. They have dominion over how the civilization in this area will be run. As the governing body, the US has classified people into two categories; citizens and non-citizens. Citizens are bound to follow the laws of the governing body, and in return they are guaranteed rights and privileges provided by the state. Non-citizens are not afforded these privileges because the governing body does not have dominion over their lives. As such the governing body is duty bound to repel non-citizens for the sanctity of the immigrant's own freedom. Race does not determine whether or not the governing body has dominion over you. If you stipulate that no one race should be considered over another, then your support for the governing body must follow (or else your logic is flawed).

Those of you who say that people can't “posses ownership” of the Earth are missing the discussion. The illegal immigrants are illegally using the civilization that resides on the land, not the land itself. The people have built the civilization that rests on the land, and these people follow the rules of their governing body by law.

My question to the OP is what do you want? I do not wish to endlessly discuss the philosophical and semantic qualities of the current immigration system. Do you want those who are not defined as citizens to enjoy the rights of citizens in the land? You shall not have this. The governing body, backed by the written law, guns, and jails, has stated what it is you need to do to live under its domain. If you do not meet these standards then you will not be a citizen of the state.



posted on Feb, 20 2009 @ 12:27 PM
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It looks like everyone else beat me to picking apart your OP but if I had to sum up the OP in two words, I'd say 'White Guilt.'

Really. Not only is it false to claim that all American Caucasians are descendants of homicidal land grabbers (already pointed out by several previous members), but the main issue is why should it be held over our heads what people did hundreds of years ago. I'm tired of having it held against me what someone else did centuries ago because I have a problem with what is illegally occurring today.

We have no obligation to suffer from the white guilt your OP implies we should or that we have no right to be upset about what is occurring today because of what some people did centuries ago.



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