Someone Please Explain To Me - The Theory that Jupiter Ignited - while behind the Sun right now

reply to post by nwosigns


So spaceweather is lying about the bright object being Venus. Very funny.
Your video convinces me it is Mercury.

Could you be so kind to explain to me what the smaller bright object is that accompanies Mercury but on 26.jan. or so changes direction 180 ?
some youtube user described it as :"The smaller object looks like its in orbit around the larger object."

Is it a moon of some kind ?

well it seems obvious that people are still not convinced. that kinda worries me.

reply to post by el_bloom

So spaceweather is lying about the bright object being Venus.

Whatever his motive, no professional astronomer could be stupid enough to lie about something taking place in the sky, especially something as trite as the location of a planet. He knows that all anyone has to do to prove him wrong is look up at the sky. He knows that every night around the planet, thousands of telescopes are turned on the heavens - and that every day, data from specialist observatories (including orbital ones like SOHO) finds its way onto the desks of hundreds of senior fellow-astronomers. Nothing is hidden. And he knows, moreover, that even the rankest amateur - even a schoolchild with an interest in astronomy - knows where in the heavens to look for Mercury, Venus or Jupiter.

So he wouldn't dare to lie.

A person who is ignorant of basic science, on the other hand, cannot understand why claims like 'Jupiter is behind the sun till March' and 'Jupiter has ignited' are so laughable. And if he is obstinate into the bargain, he will refuse to understand when someone explains it to him.

That's why this thread is so ridiculous. No-one with most basic sky knowledge can believe it for a second. Why? Because Jupiter is plainly visible in the sky, and we can look and see for ourselves that nothing out of the ordinary has happened to it.

But that isn't good enough for the wannabelievers. They want to believe, so they'll never go outside and look. One of them even refused to look when ngchunter offered to take a photograph and show him that Jupiter is still there, and still a planet. Just like a child who puts its hands over its ears to shut out what it doesn't want to hear.

It's got to be a conspiracy for these people, or at least a miracle. If it isn't, then it's a cover-up.

Edit for fairness and to add: it's not completely wasted, though - I got to meet a few interesting (and sensible) people on it.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by Astyanax]

reply to post by TiM3LoRd


Worry not TiM3LoRd!

NGC will be in later on today with images he personally took of Jupiter this morning via telescope in order to prove that nothing untoward has happened to it.

Once those pictures are posted within this forum, it would be kind of silly on anyones behalf to carry on further with the 'Jupiter has ignited' conspiracy.

IRM

reply to post by InfaRedMan


Sorry guys, couldn't risk Jupiter this morning; leaving my equipment out all night from last night's webcast had the unfortunate result of my scope being covered in a huge amount of dew on every electrical connection and power switch. I had switched the scope off overnight so I wouldn't waste power and so that the scope wouldn't tangle itself while I was asleep. I dared not switch it on for a photo, but I can try to set it up tomorrow morning rather than let it sit out collecting dew overnight lol. To hold the conspiracy believers over in the meantime, here's a photo of Jupiter someone took on flickr a few days ago:
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For comparison, here's what jupiter looked like two years ago:
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Still the same.


[edit on 17-2-2009 by ngchunter]

Originally posted by ngchunter
reply to post by InfaRedMan

 

my scope being covered in a huge amount of dew on every electrical connection and power switch.

aaaah a covert veil of dewwey secrecy..

the mystery continues...

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reply to post by ngchunter


Same here NGC...only the dew I had was rain. Clouds moved in about 3am and it started to pour

reply to post by ngchunter


No probs NGC!

Completely understandable! The preservation of your expensive equipment is far more important than settling such a silly dispute.

IRM

NoobS!

It's Not Jupiter that will ignite but rather Europa. The Grey have done a timeline blowing up Europa, killing 2 million colonists at the same time (but dont worry, we saved those colonist in our timeline.

Anyway, With Europa ignited there wasnt much of a flore on Mars after all...like in the movie 2010...rather our Sun linked up with this 2nd Europa Sun and everyone onEarth died within 2months.

BTW, do not worry about that bright object behind Venus, it's only a coupla white monolits, Covs and bogey love

Originally posted by InfaRedMan
Completely understandable! The preservation of your expensive equipment is far more important than settling such a silly dispute.

I don't know about Jupiter, but my scope sure would have exploded had I switched it back on . It was a bit like the scene in Apollo 13 where Jack Swigert is trying to power the command module back up, only I had more condensation to deal with lol. The weather's still looking good here at the minute, fingers crossed that it will stay that way for tomorrow morning.

reply to post by ngchunter


Phew for a second there I thought you were gonna say it stings when you p**! LOL! Good luck with the weather conditions. I hope you get an awesome view of Jupiter. I rang our Planetarium early this evening and asked them if everything was OK with Jupiter to which they replied "Ummm - yeah... why wouldn't it be?" Of course I didn't elaborate! LOL!

I'm hoping to buy a beginners telescope later this year. I only have a few thousand to spend, is there one you could recommend?

IRM

reply to post by InfaRedMan


You can get a heck of a rig for a few grand my friend! I have a number of scopes but not the level of gear that NGC has....YET

The sun is not hot, it is cooler than the earth. It steps down energy into this plane from subtler regions. Those regions / heavens are not hot. Heat is produced at the barrier between the etheric and ionic planes. The inner regions are beyond the etheric. Jupiter as a mass like the earth is hardly the same in nature as the sun. If for some reason it's atmosphere where to catch on fire that would be something else entirely. I doubt if that is the case.

reply to post by InfaRedMan


ONLY a few thousand? The base scope I use "only" cost $1,500 (on sale). As for what I'd recommend, I'm torn. I bought nearly exclusively from Meade, but they're on the verge of bankruptcy and their quality assurance has deteriorated. What are you looking to do with the scope? If purely for visual use, get as much aperture as you can afford, if for photographic use, get the best mount you can afford.
Here are some recommended mounts for astrophotography, you choose the scope based on what kind of photography (planetary, wide field, narrow field, etc)
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If you're after purely visual observing, (probably best for just starting out) here are some good choices:
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Generally, truss tubes are best if you're going to be going places with it, solid tubes are simpler for home use. Dobsonians are wonderfully simple to use, but you can spend years learning how to locate dimmer and dimmer galaxies, nebulae, etc.

[edit on 17-2-2009 by ngchunter]

reply to post by ngchunter


Wow! Thanks for supplying the links! I've saved them all to my favorites. I'm looking for a multi purpose rig for viewing and taking pics. $3,000 isn't a lot in Aussies dollars atm! LOL! ... but I do want something half decent. Saves me having to trade up so soon which would be inevitable! I'd prefer to grow into it as opposed to growing out of it.

Thanks again - I've added you, griffinrl & Astyanax to my sharp friends list!

IRM

reply to post by InfaRedMan


Rock on IRM! I'm excited for you!

I have one comment to make here on ATS. This is in regards to all posters. How do you expect anybody to even take note of what you're saying if your grammer is #? Seriously people. Use microsoft word or something. If my kid can figure it out, I'm sure some of you "mature adults" can too.

My second point is, how many scientists are here right now? Hmm, I don't see any hands. Lovely. So now NOBODY should be saying jack # is for sure or not. In fact, what do scientists even know about these topics? Science is pure theory. Literally, tomorrow some average joe could stumble across something that would change ALL of our thinking.

So could it happen? Sure there's a possibility. Is it likely it's just another fear mongering end of the world claim? I guess we will find out in two weeks.



[edit on 17-2-2009 by newage2012]

Originally posted by newage2012
My second point is, how many scientists are here right now? Hmm, I don't see any hands. Lovely. So now NOBODY should be saying jack # is for sure or not.

Actually, I am. Had you waited for an answer you might have been surprised by the result.

Literally, tomorrow some average joe could stumble across something that would change ALL of our thinking.

No offense, but ATS is filled with "average joes" who think they've found something that should "change ALL of our thinking." It's that mentality that lead to John Lenard Walson's meteoric popularity. That's not to say that the average joe is incapable of stumbling across the incredible, it's to say that it doesn't override the importance of scientific training and education - it's a lot more than "just theories." 9 times out of 10 when average joe thinks he's found the incredible, its because of a fundamental misunderstanding or ignorance of science. Incredible discoveries are usually made by becoming more skeptical, not less.

So could it happen? Sure there's a possibility.

There's just as much of a possibility that earth will spontaneously start a sustained fusion reaction in 5 seconds. In order for that to occur, just about every observation and equation with regards to nuclear fusion over the last century would have to be wrong.

Is it likely it's just another fear mongering end of the world claim? I guess we will find out in two weeks.

No, we'll find out tomorrow morning, provided the weather is good. Of course, I already posted photo evidence acquired by others, but I guess wide field images aren't good enough for you?

[edit on 17-2-2009 by ngchunter]

Keep posting your images NGC. I love 'em! I didn't realize you were scientifically trained. In what area? I try to be humble when giving others telescope advice as I can only go by my own experience....but I'm still learning. I always appreciate your comments and input my friend