Originally posted by pureevil81
The following is from Isaiah 53, This prophecy is usually attributed to Jesus.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.
Right here, verse 9, the NT says Jesus ascended, yet this supposed prophecy of Jesus says he was assigned a grave with the wicked.
Mat 27:57 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea
, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:
Mat 27:58 He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.
Mat 27:59 And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,
Mat 27:60 And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock
: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and
Verse 10 Yet it was the LORD's will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the LORD makes [c] his life a guilt offering,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand.
he will see his offspring? Jesus supposedly had no offspring? right?
It's not 'fleshly' offspring, but through Him we have a new relationship with G-d as sons and daughters.
Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him
that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.
12 Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.
verse 12 blows the whole " Jesus is god " argument right out of the water, It says god will GIVE him a portion from among the great!! Give it to
him, not equal to, or that Jesus is god.
G-d gave HIMSELF a sacrifice. He came down and became sin for us and will be rewarded aptly as the Son with His people as His inheritance.
Ever heard of the Trinity?
3 in one?
Maybe the Christians you know are new converts and MAINLY know about their Love for Jeshua, but don't understand the finer points?
I've been at this for more than 15 years.
Sorry if I just blew your argument out of the water, you asked.
[edit on 30-1-2009 by Clearskies]