reply to post by pureevil81
Good thread, starred and flagged!! It is good to question everything as justamomma and I dogmatically preach!
You already know that I view the Bible as a mystery novel. Your thread supports my thinking. I have found that to understand God is to understand a
little about how he works.
If we view the Bible as a mystery we will find all kinds of loopholes and clues.
It is now understood that Jesus almost HAD to have had children! He would not have had even 1 hearing ear without having been married with children.
It went against Jewish law to speak in a synagogue or anywhere for that matter as a teacher without the above. This was obviously left out of the
Bible. Thinking and searching minds want to know why!
verse 12 blows the whole " Jesus is god " argument right out of the water, It says god will GIVE him a portion from among the great!! Give it
to him, not equal to, or that Jesus is god
This is a good argument against the trinity as trinity is not mentioned even once in the Bible. IMO there are countless scriptures that blow the
trinity out of the water. Scholars have since found that Christianity added verses to the Bible in support of their dogma.
"There was one key passage of scripture that Erasmus's source manuscripts did not contain, however. This is the account of 1John 5:7-8 (the
Johannine Comma), found in the manuscripts of the Latin Vulgate but not in the vast majority of Greek manuscripts, a passage that had long been a
favorite among Christian theologians, since it is the only passage in the entire Bible that explicitly delineates the doctrine of the Trinity, that
there are three persons in the godhead, but that the three all constitute just one God...But Erasmus did not find it in his Greek manuscripts, which
instead simply read: "There are three that bear witness: the Spirit, the water, and the blood, and these three are one." Where did the "Father, the
Word, and the Spirit" go? They were not in Erasmus's primary manuscript, or in any of the others that he consulted, and so, naturally, he left them
out of his first edition of the Greek text."
His edition became eventually known as The King James Version
. He had to write the above verse to represent: "The Father, the Word or Son, and
the Holy Spirit" due to intense pressure by the Christian religious leaders of his day, even though it was not worded that way in the copies he
Biblical scholar: Johann J. Wettstein (1693-1754) had a problem also with the trinity. He found incredible faults in the manuscript copies of the text
in 1 Timothy 3:16. This is another text in supposable support of the Trinity. Most manuscripts abbreviate sacred names where the Greek word God
(OEOE) (I cannot replicate actual symbols here, first o has line or mark in middle, and last E looks different than first E) is abbreviated in two
letters, theta and sigma (OE) (O with line), with a line drawn over the top to indicate that it is an abbreviation.
"What Wettstein noticed in examining Codex Alexandrinus was that the line over the top had been drawn in a different ink from the surrounding
words, and so appeared to be from a "later" hand (i.e., written by a later scribe). Moreover, the horizontal line in the middle of the first letter,
o (o with a mark in the middle or line), was not actually a part of the letter but was a line that had bled through from the other side of the old
vellum. In other words, rather than being the abbreviation (theta-sigma) for "God" (oe) (o has a mark in center), the word was actually an omicron
and a sigma (oe) (o without mark in center), a different word altogether, which simply means "who." The original reading of the manuscript thus did
not speak of Christ as "God made manifest in the flesh" but of Christ "who was made manifest in the flesh." According to the ancient
testimony of the Codex Alexandrinus, Christ is no longer explicitly called God in this passage."
There is of course more information to show that the trinity, and the scriptures indicating it, are not in the earliest copies of the NT. This is
coming from scholars who have the privilege of actually having access to all the earliest copies available.
I don't wish to derail the thread by pounding on this further, but it is a very good clue to show that the Bible was greatly influenced by early
Church fathers to represent doctrine they
wanted incorporated into the Bible.
People refuse to accept that the Bible was not written, or founded, on original texts. This being the case, wise thinkers would reason; there is more
story behind the first one, or two layers, of the Bible.
Is this tied to a " conspiracy in religion ".... I think so.
Indubitably!! And it is our commission by God to find these errors, and to denounce them! Many are doing so. It seems that now
he is requiring