the bible isn't a book of lies. its a really good story that people began believing to be true because it sounded so real. i almost believed that some of Stephen King's stories were true i.e the Dark Tower series but once I remembered that reality isn't so exciting I stopped myself from just about worshipping those books

Originally posted by Choronzon
Not belonging to the christian faith or any religion for that matter, can see problems with all walks of life without anyone pointing it out to me.

That being said, why is it important to crash someone else's philosophy party, why not worry about you believe to be true...it would be much more rewarding.

I am crashing no parties, just pointing out my own observation.

I do concentrate on my own beliefs, but at the same time when I think I have exposed a lie, of course I am going to say something about it... I could cover my ears and eyes and sing " tra la la la la "...but I stopped doing that when I left christianity behind.

Originally posted by spy66Yep!! thanks i am looking into it.

But can i ask why Moses made the stories so different from one another. Why would he make it so open for misunderstanding!

It is one of the reasons people argue the sin committed.

Moses did not write the Torah.. Scribes wrote it while in babylonian captivity.

This was the purpose of the Tanakh... Jewish people had gotten caught up with worshiping 'dark' gods... they became hellenistic which is both a mix of Egyptian and Babylonian magics.. tada! the Kabbalah... and christianity.

This is mentioned all over in the Tanakh as well. The Wisdom that inspired the scribes inspired them to put the Book together... it appears to be their history and it is based on their history.. but it also acts as a mirror.. a reflection.. the more I can look at it and face it for what is there (which is very much a revealing of your own heart) the more knowlege He will reveal to them.. very much the Holy Grail concept .. those who are meant to see, as they start facing themselves they become the vessel with which the Word can fill. It really is quite a beautiful and amazing thing and when it happens, even pinching yourself is not necessary because you are left KNOWING and no longer wondering.

Hello! A lot of you should know me as I have been here since May and quite active on this board. I did NOT believe any form of religion and was very cynical... you have to be.. because if you are left holding onto any type of security blanket, you will never trust Him to teach you... You can not be in a position to where you will trusts anyone over what He shows you.

Once you are there though, you know and that knowing is the most secure place you will have ever experienced. But it is not something that you can take at my word. Only He is able to show you.

Anyway... just amazed even now by Him as though it were that night when my eyes opened for the first time. People don't know what "opening of the eyes" really means... when it happens, you no longer queston who you are and Who you belong to.. and you do not fear.

spy66: That isn't what it says at all. And the evening and the morning means that a amount of time passed and it was the next day. My Bible clearly states that it was on the 6th day. As far as Adams creation story and the 7 days creation, I have a firm belief that there were other male and female people at the time that God created Adam so in my taking of it I could accred the story to only including Adams story. As far as the Tree of Knowledge goes, it was knowledge of what was good and what was evil. The tree itself wasn't evil, the act of eating from it was. "But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." And he did. When Adam and Eve ate of the tree they were cast out of Eaden and became mortal, their life clock started ticking to their death. The tree didn't do it to them, God did.

justamomma:

(I'm doing this bit by bit so bear with me here)

"The servant is clearly declared... Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. Israel also was declared the Son of G.d in Hosea 11:1"

Um, I'm confused as to where this ties into anything you quoted? Uh, yes, the children of Israel were Gods servants. I don't think anybody denies that but they are not his only begotten son. I'm trying to figure out your point of view as to why you brought this up at all. You are saying Jesus does not = Israel. That's correct but that doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't his son. That doesn't even make sense as far as arguments go. Edit to add - I think I see where you are coming from now looking back at this and the webpage from the OP.

Hosea 11:1 (KJV) "When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt."
First of all Hosea 11 is speaking on "God's ungrateful child" if you continue reading it you'll see the whole story but Hosea 11:1 is him referring to the freeing of the children of Israel. I'm confused as to what your point is.. alot of the versus you point out he is referring to the children of Israel, which are his children. Nobody said that was referring to Jesus so... that's just kind of random in your posts. Nobody denies that Jews are Gods children. However Jesus' coming is prophesied in the Old Testament many, many, many, many, times. And Isaiah 53 describes that exactly.. In fact one could say the entire 53rd chapter is a prophecy based around him and that was what the OP quoted from.

Here's a few other examples of Jesus prophecies in the OT.
Regarding Jesus’ birth: Isaiah 7:14, “Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.” Isaiah 9:6, “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” Micah 5:2, “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, though you are small among the clans of Judah, out of you will come for me one who will be ruler over Israel, whose origins are from of old, from everlasting."
Regarding Jesus' death... Zechariah 12:10 "And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness his his firstborn." (remember this is a prophecy for the future of the house of David.) on to Zechariah 13:1 (another prophecy) "In that say there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleaness." If you need more affirmation that this is in fact Jesus then just keep reading. We can go straight to 13:6 "And one shall say unto him, What are those wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those which I was wounded in the house of my friends." Also a prophecy. Then we can go to Daniel and the seventy sevens prophecy. Psalms 2 is all prophecy about him uhhh lets see... Proverbs 30:4 (prophecy) "Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?" Jeremiah 23:5-6 (NIV) "The days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will raise up to David a righteous Branch, a King who will reign wisely and do what is just and right in the land. 6 In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our Righteousness.

And the list of prophecies about Jesus continues. I mean don't get me wrong, I am no expert but.. I mean.. I get a hint when I see one. Justamomma send me a u2u and we can chat back and forth, I'd like to learn more about your point of view and where it is derived from. =)

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Originally posted by heyo

Originally posted by pureevil81

Well the rest of your post is kind of self-congratulatory, deserved i think when one thinks critically, so all i will say to it is remember that your interpretations aren't necessarily the right ones, so treat them like they could be wrong. I live by this myself.

thoughts?

Thank you, You are right!!! I never believe I have the right " interpretation ". I do however question everything, so in doing that I realize I could be wrong.

There have been some explanations so far that have been beaten right into the ground, I just chuckle as I read them, I have the rhetoric so many times it is ridiculous.

Thank you for the fair explanation, and doing it in a kind manner.

Evil promise me you will look at the link ...pretty please ? .....
If you really would like real possible explanations then at least leave your mind open to other possible explanations ok ? ....
You will find that link interesting and possible ...