Originally posted by Boogley
(I'm doing this bit by bit so bear with me here)
I understand.. I ask you to extend the same courtesy to me as well.
"The servant is clearly declared... Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified. Israel also was declared the Son of G.d in
Um, I'm confused as to where this ties into anything you quoted? Uh, yes, the children of Israel were Gods servants. I don't think anybody denies
that but they are not his only begotten son. I'm trying to figure out your point of view as to why you brought this up at all. You are saying Jesus
does not = Israel. That's correct but that doesn't mean that Jesus wasn't his son. That doesn't even make sense as far as arguments go. Edit to
add - I think I see where you are coming from now looking back at this and the webpage from the OP.
Jesus was a prophet.. he spoke in parables that only a certain "ear" could hear.
I will explain it, but the understanding has to come from Him. It is so exciting to see when those who were meant to hear actually hear.
Jesus just like Moses was a prophet (whether either actually existed is not here nor there in any capacity; and thus the deceit).
I would have to say that since I last attempted to explain it, though I was getting it "correct" ... deeper understanding has been revealed to me..
so here goes.
Jesus = Prophet spoken of by Moses (also a great prophet)
Son of Man = The Word of the Lord birthed into the Vessel ..
Begotten Son = The Vessel for the Word
The beginning of I Samuel is a beautiful allegory of this exact thing... my favorite in fact.
Elkanah = G.d in the form of the Word
Peninnah = The former Israel.. under the Old covenant, the one who had children (not only Judaism, but also little brats christianity and Islam..
*teasing* I know some very lovely people in both of these religions and some bad seeds in Judaism.. *back on topic*)
Hannah = representative of the begotten Son and the process of "birthing the Son of man" aka the Word..
1. the LORD had shut up her womb
2. her adversary also provoked her sore, for to make her fret
3. she wept, and did not eat.
4. she was in bitterness of soul, and prayed unto the LORD, and wept sore.
5. she vowed a vow
6. she spake in her heart
7. (she was even accused of being of "satan".. I can relate so well) Count not thine handmaid for a daughter of Belial
8. Then, Go in peace: and the God of Israel grant thee thy petition that thou hast asked of him
9. her countenance was no more sad
10. the LORD remembered her
11. she bare a son (The Son of man.. the Word of the LORD)
And her praise that sings forth from her heart:
My heart rejoiceth in the LORD, mine horn is exalted in the LORD: my mouth is enlarged over mine enemies; because I rejoice in thy salvation.
There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Talk no more so exceeding proudly; let not arrogancy come out of your mouth: for the LORD is a God of knowledge, and by him actions are weighed.
The bows of the mighty men are broken, and they that stumbled are girded with strength.
They that were full have hired out themselves for bread; and they that were hungry ceased: so that the barren hath born seven; and she that hath many
children is waxed feeble.
The LORD killeth, and maketh alive: he bringeth down to the grave, and bringeth up.
The LORD maketh poor, and maketh rich: he bringeth low, and lifteth up.
He raiseth up the poor out of the dust, and lifteth up the beggar from the dunghill, to set them among princes, and to make them inherit the throne of
glory: for the pillars of the earth are the LORD's, and he hath set the world upon them.
He will keep the feet of his saints, and the wicked shall be silent in darkness; for by strength shall no man prevail.
The adversaries of the LORD shall be broken to pieces; out of heaven shall he thunder upon them: the LORD shall judge the ends of the earth; and he
shall give strength unto his king, and exalt the horn of his anointed.
------ The above praise is NOT just words... that is the cry of a grateful and understanding heart.. those who know what I mean, when they read it,
they will not have to TRY and understand that praise because it is word for word what their heart has already cried.. that is the heart of G.d's
children displayed openly before the world.
I may not have approached this the way you had expected, but I went with the explanation that I had on my heart. Take it for what it is worth to you.