Originally posted by sezsueverse 9
When He died on the cross, two thieves, were crucified with Him, He was buried in a rich man's grave (Joseph of Aramethia-(name spelling prob
incorrect) because it was right before the Passover/Sabbath and there was no time to prepare another grave, the man I noted gave his grave for the
burial) Jesus had done no wrong, Pilate wanted to let Him go. It does not say Jesus ascended at this point.
Here Offspring means all Christians who are saved through Him, although I don't really like the word "Christian", I prefer followers of Jesus
Christ, which is kinda different.
God says through Jesus, we become sons of the Father, thereby becoming His offspring, since Jesus, calls himself "I Am" and I am the Alpha and
Omega, terms God used in the Old Testament to refer to Himself.
I don't really know how to answer you on this one, but I think this equates Jesus to Moses, Abraham, Jacob, David, etc. You have to remember Isaiah
was written by an prophet of Israeli for the children of Israel, (and we are all children of Israel ) they would have expected their Messiah to be
like their Prophets, Kings and Leaders of old.
Finally, I wasn't even going to the website you noted, but then I decided to, because I figured it would be either an atheist's website, or a Jewish
website, both of whom you can figure would not be objective about the subject, and BINGO! Number 2.
It seems like you don't really want to find out the truth, it seems like you just want to turn people away from God and the truth of the book that he
gave us for instruction. I mean, your screen name points to your intention....if not, why did you choose it?
So, you should know, God holds all those who try to lead others away from God responsible.
I am going to clearly show to you all why this is NOT talking about Jesus!
2I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:
3And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the LORD, which call thee by thy
name, am the God of Israel.
4For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me.
5I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
6That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
7I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
He is telling you.. it was already declared... He declared it all BEFORE it happened! He declared it so that no one could come in and say "this is
the filling the prophecy" as they have done with Jesus.
People came in AFTER the prophecies and manipulated them to fit their god.. but G.d already declared every part of the prophecies so that no one COULD
lie to those who have EYES TO SEE.. and what kind of eyes would that be? That was declared in the same chapter.
15Verily thou art a God that hidest thyself, O God of Israel, the Saviour.
16They shall be ashamed, and also confounded, all of them: they shall go to confusion together that are makers of idols.
17But Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
18For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain,
he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
19I have not spoken in secret, in a dark place of the earth: I said not unto the seed of Jacob, Seek ye me in vain: I the LORD speak righteousness, I
declare things that are right.
20Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, ye that are escaped of the nations: they have no knowledge that set up the wood of their graven
image, and pray unto a god that cannot save.
21Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have
not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.
22Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.
He CLEARLY says "who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath TOLD IT FROM THAT TIME?"
He did too.. everything in these prophecies is written all thoughout the Tanakh clearly.. When you insert Jesus in as an interpretation, that is
called adding to the Word.
And who are the ones who have not the eyes of the heart to see that G.d already declared everything in the prophecies and instead fall for the adding
of the Word of the LORD? vs. 19 answers this.. those who seek in vain.
23I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue
24Surely, shall one say, in the LORD have I righteousness and strength: even to him shall men come; and all that are incensed against him shall be
25In the LORD shall all the seed of Israel be justified, and shall glory.
He says He swore BY His self! There was no need for the interpretations of man.. what some of you NEED is the understanding of G.d.. but you seek vain
things like eternal life (being one example of a vain seeking).