Originally posted by PhyberDragon
Originally posted by tide88
Really, you hear it everywhere. The only place I ever hear anything like that is on this website. Never before in the real world, as opposed to the internet world, have I even heard civil war mentioned. That is unless I am watching the history channel or a movie that takes place in the civil war era.
[edit on 23-1-2009 by tide88]
You need to get out more.
Originally posted by Electro38
reply to post by PhyberDragon
I don't think there's anything wrong with editing what you write, I do a lot of editing for spelling mistakes, etc. My point is that it should be done.
But seriously, I wasn't being sarcastic or humorous, I really meant those things I said.
There will not be any civil war, there will not be a catastrophe in 2012. None of this stuff will happen, but it's a great way to sell stuff and to make money from a website. I think it's brilliant, not criticizing at all. If you want to make money, this is a great way to go since there are a lot of angry and paranoid (fearful) people in this world, as evident by this forum, (filled with fearful, paranoid and angry people).
The only prediction that has come to fruitation is the state of the economy. And that was far from a hard prediction to make. Although most experts knew what was coming. So I am about as worried about a civil war breaking out as I am Blossom Goodchild spaceship appearing.
[edit on 24-1-2009 by tide88]
Originally posted by DarrylGalasso
Personally, I think there are some things that should happen BEFORE any sort of a civil war.
First: What is going to happen afterwords-There has to be a plan or chaos will rule the land.
Second: Who will lead the nation afterwords, if we don't have someone already picked out, again, chaos will rule the land.
I agree, and would assert this is a prime reason for the establishment of a "third" political party. Yes I know there are many more than that now. My point is that we need a core of the movement to legitamize the movement and to provide the management for lack of better terms if our conventional government is removed, quits, leaves etc.
Third: What specifically are we going to accomplish, how are we going to accomplish it, and when is each specific item going to be accomplished.
Fourth: What measures are we going to take to ensure that we are not in this position again?
Give more freedom to the people. Ensure the tenets of our original constitution are upheld and make what ever government comes out of all of this much more transparent. The only secrets in government should be military and that's a debate all to its own.
Fifth: We are going to need a command structure to assume the duties of government IMMEDIATELY afterwords, so we will need to have people pre-selected to take over these tasks that have some sort of experience or knowledge in the specific area.
See my answer to the second question...
Sixth: What kind of foreign aid can we rely upon or what kind of foreign resistance should we expect?
Just because we are under "new management" doesn't mean we won't be open for business...Hell we could have a grand re-opening of sorts.
Seventh: How will we fund our new government, and what programs do we keep/get rid of, and how will we control our military which at that point will basically be ronin and may very well capitalize upon our lack of structure.
While under the circumstances of a revolution resulting in the removal of elected leadership currenlty in office all of the people that actually do the work (the line level staff composed greatly of you and I) will still be there. Government will be formed under the constitution and problems will have to be addresed one at a time. We will all need to pay a fair tax to fund the operation.
It would be of the utmost importance to have a detailed plan, if not, the country will be in turmoil and it will be like some of the former Russian countries that are ruled by different factions and warlords. We do not want this here. We need a cohesive, stable, and fair government to be incorporated immediately in order to avoid full blown chaos and internal war, that may last for decades.
The fragmentation of the U.S. into regional governments in the wake of a revolution would be a potential issue. But, I don't think Russia, China or any other foreign government would want to step into the hornets nest. The are more likely to attack us while we are still following a government, but the minute they see the populace of the U.S taking up arms they will not want to step into the hornets nest.
This is not fighting your neighborhood kids here, there are over 300 million people here that need stability, this could get WAY out of control very, very quickly if there is not a sound plan in place first.
We need to anticipate every possible outcome for every scenario and have contingency plans for every possible outcome. If this is done right it could be a nice smooth transition, if done wrong, it could lead to a lifetime of war, hardships, and misery.
So before you start worrying about who is standing behind who, you may want to consider all of the options, make plans, contingency plans, and contingency plans for those plans. Leave no stone unturned, otherwise, what we get will be FAR worse than what we have now.
Originally posted by sir_chancealot
IN a recent interview, Steve Quayle says that his inside sources say that in the event of a mass uprising in a city, "they" (meaning the military) are just going to neutron bomb the entire city.
Originally posted by Dbriefed
I would support something less destructive and more productive than a Civil War, which would be a TAX REVOLT. The line of thinking is this: Senators and Representatives are not upholding the law of the constitution, nor are they representing the will of the people. Your tax money is being hoarded by the banks, and politicians have given them your tax money. And, why deposit your Salary in the bank if they already have your Tax money? First step in a Tax Revolt, take your money out of the banks. They will use your money to fight you.
A main perpetrator of the tax theft and wealth transfer from taxpayers to banks, criminal Senator Dodd knows he did wrong and is worried about what he did:
It’s unprecedented. There is nothing like it in the history of the United States. No week goes by without the Government buying into or buying up another failing “too big to fail” using taxpayer money. In the process, a super-race of corporate giants is being created that will be declared “too big to tumble.” It is a matter of historical fact: When people are homeless, helpless, desperate, jobless and hungry, sooner or later they will rebel. And it won’t be any different in America.....
Originally posted by TrueAmerican
I think long before any civil war happened, there would probably be a secession of states from the union.
Originally posted by Dbriefed
OMG, PELOSI?!? That would bypass tax revolt and go straight to Civil War! She is the most evil and criminal Senator!
Hillary Clinton. Lookout. She is currently 4th in the line of succession as Secretary of State.
Given some of the notorious legacies of the Clinton name, yes I would be surprised, but still. Omama, Biden, Pelosi...
Originally posted by tomfrusso
Yeah, I'm ready. Let's do it.
I think it should be peaceful...we should ask every politician from the president down to the local assembly person to step down.
I'm talking about something that is absolutely NON-VIOLENT.
We should use the internet and have a web site for public opinion polls and send the results to every news media outlet that will listen.
How do we start???
We should be able to re-write every law on the books so they make sense.
We should take back all this bailout money and give it to every home owner to pay off their mortgages.
We should stop this war in Iraq - Afganistan. Pull out all our troops and tell them if they don't give lay down their arms, we are going to nuke them - done - no nonsense.
We should send troops to our borders to cut off the illegal flow of drugs into this country. Anyone caught smuggling drugs should be shot on site. They don't deserve due process.
Anyone caught trying to enter the country should be dealt with humanely. They should be given a hot shower, good meal, a new set of clothes to wear home, immunized for deseases and sent back home.
We need a place at the border to do this and then we can allow them in the LEGAL way. Can anyone say "ELLIS ISLAND"?
We should stop sending food, medicine, clothing to other parts of the world.
We should throw the UN out of the country and send them to the Middle East. Maybe if everyone wanted to get along and sing cum-by-ya they should do it in a place where they can get shot at. Also, we should stop funding them too. We fund 25% of all UN functions. It should end.
We should stop educating foreign nationals.
We should make the language of the country English and stop this bi-lingual nonsense.
We should get rid of - deficit spending and put the country back on the gold standard.
You know, I wasn't a fan of Ron Paul(is that his name?) but now I am. He is the only one that is speaking about real freedoms.
All politicians are liers and idiots.
We should restrict public service for a maximum of 8 years in office. No one person should hold a seat in the house, senate, judge for life. That is just stupid.
You know, I'm sick and tired of all this nonsense. And if anyone thinks Obama is going to change anything - I have to say w-t-f are you smoking?
You know how freak'n stupid are people? Here In NYC they just raised property taxes - again. They stopped the rebate checks from going out and then - two weeks later - this idiot "paterson" just said they are not going to raise property taxes!!! Of course not - you just freak'n raised them.
This is way - way out of control.
Our founding documents state that "WE THE PEOPLE", if we don't like what's going on, It is up to "US" to change the government. Because the founding fathers new - government would not change government.
How can we start the PEACEFUL REVOLUTION? I AM WILLING TO HELP.