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Originally posted by Frankidealist35
Okay I've read through most of this entire thread and it's all "waaah Obama is for no change." He already has proposed some changes. I could name them for you if you like. He's a change from Bush! That's all the hope and change I need!
[edit on 13-1-2009 by Frankidealist35]
Originally posted by SkepticalSpectacle
From a president with an IQ and speech pronunciation consistency of a drunk out hill billy TO a flip floppin, chain smokin, telepromptin' robot with the policy making consistency of your typical pants- on-knees-sideways-cap-wearing n***a who says uuhhhh every 5 seconds on an impromptu interview?
Great job America!
Originally posted by Intelearthling
This is the first good news I've heard this year.
If he can go back on his word and promises he made during his campaign, he may become a good president.
However, that's highly doubtful!
It should be against the law at how hard I'm laughing at everyone that vote for this "Havard graduate."
[edit on 12/1/09 by Intelearthling]
Originally posted by jibeho
Jan. 11 (Bloomberg) -- President-elect Barack Obama said reviving the U.S. economy will require scaling back on his campaign promises and personal sacrifice from all Americans.
So, let me understand Obama on this topic. It was the lagging economy and the promises to improve it that got him elected and now the same economy that he promised to change will now limit his promises and result in all of us making sacrifices. No [SNIP].
For all of you hoping for Obama's Universal Healthcare Plan, don't hold your breath. The nation can't afford it. The stimulus plan will suck us dry of all of our imaginary money. I believe Obama will aim for that one in his second term.
Good Luck everybody!! Batten down the hatches we are in for a bumpy ride.
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[edit on 12-1-2009 by sanctum]
Originally posted by truthquest
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
Here is a link to where Obama wanted out by the end of 2008:
I remember watching Obama on TV and he made it sound like he would be out in six months! Later I think I went back and realized he meant start withdrawing after six months. I found that to be disappointing but he did say he would be out within a year, which I found to be just not trustworthy at all.
It seems he has since changed his story to withdraw way out into 2010. 2010! Even Bush could have done that given a third term give me a break, that is pathetic!
But even that is a lie. According to the infamous RAND corporation, which would no doubt know Obama's Iraq plans very well, stated his plan is to have up to 90,000 troops in Iraq after 16 months!
And regarding the constitution mentions, I see from your links that he in fact actually has mentions the constitution. With exception to the abortion issue however he simply mentions it in passing, not as a core issue.
And furthermore as the primary specific concerns as mostly brought up by conservatives don't seem to be mentioned. For example, I didn't see any place where he said that wars must be declared by congress before fought.
Also, one of the links you point out have him saying the constitution 'ties their hands', which although true seems like at best a neutral mention of it. I still think if you analyzed the debate transcripts from CNN and MSNBC you would find Obama mentions of the constitution as an issue in itself only after Ron Paul has mentioned it, and then later in the debates I'm betting that the mentions as an issue simply stop entirely. This is just something I noticed while watching the debates but you would really have to analyze the text carefully to know for sure.
If I had the time I would go through the transcripts for mentions of "constitution" but simply don't want to spend that time right now. Without going through them I know that Obama voted for the patriot act, meaning he doesn't care about the constitution. That is such a huge negative nothing Obama does short of changing his mind about it dramatically will ever change my opinion that he is constitutionally corrupt.
WASHINGTON – A week shy of taking office, President-elect Barack Obama already is putting his persuasion skills to a high-stakes test with Congress as he seeks to put his emerging administration in control of more than $1 trillion in economic stimulus and financial bailout money.
"It is clear that the financial system, although improved from where it was in September, is still fragile," Obama said Monday in making the case for the additional bailout funds. In London, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke said Obama's stimulus package could provide a "significant boost" to the sinking economy. But he warned in a speech prepared for the London School of Economics that such a recovery won't last unless other steps are taken to stabilize the shaky financial system. Although Bernanke has previously endorsed the notion for a fresh round of government stimulus to lift the country out of a recession, it marked the first time the Fed chief has referenced the roughly $800 billion recovery plan now being worked on by Obama. In Congress, key tax provisions in the stimulus package remained in flux, with Obama's call for a break for companies that create new jobs described by Democratic officials as all but dead. Several Democrats prefer to use the funds to make sure upper middle class families are not ensnared by the alternative minimum tax.
Bush's 2000 acceptance speech was widely seen as having successfully introduced the nation to a leader with strong principles, clear policies and a determination to return dignity to the Oval Office after President Bill Clinton's scandals. The speech's main refrain -- "They had their chance. They have not led. We will." -- neatly encapsulated Bush's message to the largest audience the relatively little-known Texas governor had ever faced. But the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, made the Bush presidency largely unrecognizable from the one he outlined in Philadelphia. He did not even mention terrorism in that speech, and the speech reflected the country's inward-looking priorities. After promising a "humble" foreign policy on the stump, his main non-domestic proposal that night was for a missile defense system first debated two decades earlier.