Obama Says Recession Requires Scaling Back Promises

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Secondly, do you covet my points or something? It's a little creepy to have you looking at them like that.

It would be truly creepy to have said something to the effect of "luscious point" or "Hey Toots, nice points"

And now for on topic...

There does indeed seem to be a serious rush to be the first to say "told you so" Now many will of course say to give him enough rope to hang him self, but to hit him before actually taking the oath of office..is well pretty much like in 2000 and the mantra of the anti-Bush League "of appointed, not elected". So good was this mindset that we had it again in 2004.

I will give obama credit on this election of learning from Kerry and not just saying the plan, the plan like a poor Hervé Villechaize impersonator. But for all the slogans of "Change we can Believe in", "Yes, we can." and the ever popular truncated "The man from Hope." to just " Hope", is just inviting the sharks to circle at the first sign of a falter.

Throughout the debates I saw one point brought up by McCain that spoke volumes about Obama to me...the gentlemen's agreement for both to use the national campaign contribution fund. That little box that you are asked to check on your federal income form that places $3 into the fund. By accepting that funding, it limits campaign contributions that can be accepted. Obama refused it after McCain accepted it, despite agreeing to do so.

With that in mind, I find myself less likely to give much slack in that proverbial rope. The unfortunate fact of all presidential elections is that it is not very often that a person seeks the office out of sense of duty or an obligated attempt to actually be a leader. For most, it is just a capstone on a political career at best or at worst the vanity of having your name in a history book.

I have to admit, I had considered throwing my hat into the ring for 2008. But there was no way I could afford to be unemployed for the two year run this circus of grandstanding turned out to be. I wish Obama the best of luck for all our sakes and my personal hope is that he takes this opportunity seriously and not think of these four years as just voting "present" from a different chair. To do so would prevent a second term, most assuredly.

reply to post by Ahabstar


wow, good way to curb the tension man...."luscious points". I would say that generally you cant judge a man on actions he hasnt chosen just as of yet...The indications of his intent seem atleast minorly so, semi-transparent. However as stated he has yet to prove himself either worthy or unworthy. He has atleast four years to be a better leader then Bush, lets hope he intends to be.

This surprises people? I said before the election, well before it, that NEITHER president would be able to pony-up on many of the promises right away. Even Obama more than once, stated that some of these would take time. What magical hat did you folks think he was going to pull a miraculous instant recovery from?

We are in dire straights, and it's going to take time to even right the ship, let alone make good on all the promises made. And believe me, any presidential candidate would have said "And while I promise I'll fix things eventually, it won't happen right away," would have been the runner-up instantaneously. Why? Because the American people want results NOW! Not later.. INSTANTLY! That's the American way.

I sure as hell didn't hear McCain say anything about there being a long road. Not even once. I at least heard Obama say that. He stayed as up-front as he could in front of a rabid populace, who ironically are as much to blame for our own recession as any government or company in the U.S.

reply to post by Averysmallfoxx


I guess nothing changed after all. Still the same ole Governement. As far as you and your girl breaking outta class. They don't wwant you to, that's why schooling and the cost of living is way beyond the means of us bottom feeders.That's how they look at us. Like disposable animals.

Originally posted by fleabit
This surprises people? I said before the election, well before it, that NEITHER president would be able to pony-up on many of the promises right away. Even Obama more than once, stated that some of these would take time. What magical hat did you folks think he was going to pull a miraculous instant recovery from?

We are in dire straights, and it's going to take time to even right the ship, let alone make good on all the promises made. And believe me, any presidential candidate would have said "And while I promise I'll fix things eventually, it won't happen right away," would have been the runner-up instantaneously. Why? Because the American people want results NOW! Not later.. INSTANTLY! That's the American way.

I sure as hell didn't hear McCain say anything about there being a long road. Not even once. I at least heard Obama say that. He stayed as up-front as he could in front of a rabid populace, who ironically are as much to blame for our own recession as any government or company in the U.S.

While I will give you that Barrack was upfront on the righting of the ship points and such I will not accept the insinuation that the American populace is as much at fault for the shape of things currently, what about the spurrious loan practices? ENRON? Oil Companies and there greedy unnecessary gas prices? What about all the shady shadows behind the credit corporations buying each other out and such, doesnt that sound like consolidation of power? Lets not forget its become such a circus that even the PORN industry is now seeking bailout cash...how sad is that? that the smut peddlers have the courage to ask for handouts when they make quite a profit off ridiculous things that are absolutely unnecessary...

reply to post by Averysmallfoxx


Well yeah that is basically what I am saying. It is no real secret that I did not feel Obama was worthy of my vote (and thus did not receive it--nor did McCain for that matter). But I am willing to give the man a chance since he is about to take the big chair.

But as far as me doing some volunteer freelance Secret Service work were there an assassin in the crowd...put me down as not completely likely. But then again, I have done some less pleasant things in my past with less motivation to do so.

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And regarding the points joke...I have quite the dry sense of humor and that one translated to text better than my first choice which required hearing inflection to be anything less than offensive.

reply to post by jibeho


His middle name is Hussein.

What do you expect?

This is truly the fault of the idiots who voted him. You get what you deserve.

But as long as the American government is aligned to Israel's policy, who cares...

reply to post by Revealation


Yeah thats my point, the healthcare industry is another mercilously callous industry that literally robs Americans. Its just another point that we as a people refuse to open our eyes to and realize the indignation being fed to us by the "haves".

Fox, what I mean by that is this:

While I understand that 99.9% of those that post on this site are brilliant with their money, have 0 credit cards, and are never late with their bills ( ), a huge chunk of Americans have taken on homes they cannot afford, and accepted credit on cards they cannot pay back.

I do not by the theory that it's a loan companies fault. People are adults. Our parents and grandparents had a habit of buying what they could afford, because you couldn't this easily get loans. We as a people did not learn, because by and large, people have houses with mortgages they cannot afford (along with upkeep and taxes, they sort of forget those when buying a home), and picking up card after credit card to furnish their lifestyle.

I am hardly saying that large companies and our own government are free and clear, they too, screwed the pooch rather badly, and in greed and avarice. But if people wouldn't have taken on more than they could pay, we wouldn't be in half this mess.

Which isn't a big deal all and all.. we are in it together. What irks me is how fast the people, for whom are ALSO responsible for this mess, are all on Obama to fix it immediately. They don't care if that's impossible, they want results, NOW. Well, it doesn't work that way. And it doesn't matter if Obama, McCain, Ron Paul or anyone else was put into office, NONE of them would magically fix it all, it's too deep a hole to fill it that quick.

Originally posted by fleabit
Fox, what I mean by that is this:

While I understand that 99.9% of those that post on this site are brilliant with their money, have 0 credit cards, and are never late with their bills (

), a huge chunk of Americans have taken on homes they cannot afford, and accepted credit on cards they cannot pay back.

I do not by the theory that it's a loan companies fault. People are adults. Our parents and grandparents had a habit of buying what they could afford, because you couldn't this easily get loans. We as a people did not learn, because by and large, people have houses with mortgages they cannot afford (along with upkeep and taxes, they sort of forget those when buying a home), and picking up card after credit card to furnish their lifestyle.

I am hardly saying that large companies and our own government are free and clear, they too, screwed the pooch rather badly, and in greed and avarice. But if people wouldn't have taken on more than they could pay, we wouldn't be in half this mess.

Which isn't a big deal all and all.. we are in it together. What irks me is how fast the people, for whom are ALSO responsible for this mess, are all on Obama to fix it immediately. They don't care if that's impossible, they want results, NOW. Well, it doesn't work that way. And it doesn't matter if Obama, McCain, Ron Paul or anyone else was put into office, NONE of them would magically fix it all, it's too deep a hole to fill it that quick.

Upon reading, I agree completely. star for you.

Has there really been any president or politician who has kept his/her word?

You are all full of bunk and nothing but a pack of wolves waiting to pounce on anything, of substance or not, which could be used to attack Obam.a

This article in the OP says nothing about the things which you are discussing. The word healthcare is no where to be found but you instead state it like he said it himself.

The only tangible thing he says is that Gautanomo shutdown may take a while and that the middle east situation has become more complex with the Gaza fighting.

How about mentioning the one thing that he has actually gone against. Raising taxes.

Deny ignorance instead of proving it!

reply to post by jibeho


Well you have to hand it to Barack Obama, this is another historic first! Every other politician in history waited until they were in office to break their campaign promises. Obama is breaking them without even taking the oath of office.

Time to organize the Integrity Party!

So the new Obama slogan is "We are not changing!" ....Who didn't see that coming?

You all got exactly what you voted for, and deserve for that ignorance. ENJOY!!
Just a shame that everyone else has to suffer because of it.

Isn't it comical how there are people in the U.S. that still think a politician will tell you his/her true intentions? Politicians say what people want to hear. The one that says the things that the most people wanto hear wins. Then they do what they were going to do all along. It's not a new concept. The Romans were doing it 2000 years ago and the people keep buying it.
These are the same people that think they are responsible enough to create life.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


we have told you and told you and told you,that this would happen. but nooooooooo,you deny the truth,even when he says it himself.
you just can't reason with a barry supporter. no matter what.
its a shame. these are the people that will lose everything first,because they can't see what's really going on.
do you think mc cain would have been looked at for 3 murders before he was inaugurated? do you really think he was the only one that wasn't asked for compensation for his senate seat?
so you finally found the only honest politician,and wadda ya know,he's from the bedrock of honest politics...chicago!!!!!
THATS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit on 12-1-2009 by Spectre0o0]

Ok, Ok....HAHAHAHAHAHA....No, seriously, ROFLMAO.....Wait, Wait,

Ok, whew...now that I got that out of my system, lets get on to it. Obama was talking, but the sheep werent listening. He got elected on the promise of change. Of course, now the only thing that remotely resembles his promise is that silver and copperish stuff that you keep in a jug in the back of a closet. You might want to start counting your "change" in the very near future.

Poeple didnt fall for anything, they jumped in eyes wide shut, head first down the rabbit hole, sipping on kool-aid all the way to the "splat".

I cant wait to see the outrage in the coming months from those devotees of the man that arrived from Krypton. "SALVATION!?" Not this term.

[edit: typing errors...laughing all the way to my fingertips with this one]

[edit on 12-1-2009 by wheresthetruth]

Well honestly, i am wondering what people are going to day. Me? Heh i already knew that this would happen...just not so soon. Before he's sworn in he's saying that some of the promises i made to you can't be kept? I wonder which ones now...

O'bama is a politician first and foremost. He'll say and do (by cutting our rev. wright) what he gotta do to get elected.

I just hope everyone has a jar of vasaline(sp), cuz it's gonna get much more ruff. Heh..we would have gotten the same thing with john mccain.

Hey, wait a minute.

You guys DID vote for ->CHANGE