Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Secondly, do you covet my points or something? It's a little creepy to have you looking at them like that.

It would be truly creepy to have said something to the effect of "luscious point" or "Hey Toots, nice points"

And now for on topic...

There does indeed seem to be a serious rush to be the first to say "told you so" Now many will of course say to give him enough rope to hang him self, but to hit him before actually taking the oath of office..is well pretty much like in 2000 and the mantra of the anti-Bush League "of appointed, not elected". So good was this mindset that we had it again in 2004.

I will give obama credit on this election of learning from Kerry and not just saying the plan, the plan like a poor Hervé Villechaize impersonator. But for all the slogans of "Change we can Believe in", "Yes, we can." and the ever popular truncated "The man from Hope." to just " Hope", is just inviting the sharks to circle at the first sign of a falter.

Throughout the debates I saw one point brought up by McCain that spoke volumes about Obama to me...the gentlemen's agreement for both to use the national campaign contribution fund. That little box that you are asked to check on your federal income form that places $3 into the fund. By accepting that funding, it limits campaign contributions that can be accepted. Obama refused it after McCain accepted it, despite agreeing to do so.

With that in mind, I find myself less likely to give much slack in that proverbial rope. The unfortunate fact of all presidential elections is that it is not very often that a person seeks the office out of sense of duty or an obligated attempt to actually be a leader. For most, it is just a capstone on a political career at best or at worst the vanity of having your name in a history book.

I have to admit, I had considered throwing my hat into the ring for 2008. But there was no way I could afford to be unemployed for the two year run this circus of grandstanding turned out to be. I wish Obama the best of luck for all our sakes and my personal hope is that he takes this opportunity seriously and not think of these four years as just voting "present" from a different chair. To do so would prevent a second term, most assuredly.

This surprises people? I said before the election, well before it, that NEITHER president would be able to pony-up on many of the promises right away. Even Obama more than once, stated that some of these would take time. What magical hat did you folks think he was going to pull a miraculous instant recovery from?

We are in dire straights, and it's going to take time to even right the ship, let alone make good on all the promises made. And believe me, any presidential candidate would have said "And while I promise I'll fix things eventually, it won't happen right away," would have been the runner-up instantaneously. Why? Because the American people want results NOW! Not later.. INSTANTLY! That's the American way.

I sure as hell didn't hear McCain say anything about there being a long road. Not even once. I at least heard Obama say that. He stayed as up-front as he could in front of a rabid populace, who ironically are as much to blame for our own recession as any government or company in the U.S.

Originally posted by fleabit
This surprises people? I said before the election, well before it, that NEITHER president would be able to pony-up on many of the promises right away. Even Obama more than once, stated that some of these would take time. What magical hat did you folks think he was going to pull a miraculous instant recovery from?

We are in dire straights, and it's going to take time to even right the ship, let alone make good on all the promises made. And believe me, any presidential candidate would have said "And while I promise I'll fix things eventually, it won't happen right away," would have been the runner-up instantaneously. Why? Because the American people want results NOW! Not later.. INSTANTLY! That's the American way.

I sure as hell didn't hear McCain say anything about there being a long road. Not even once. I at least heard Obama say that. He stayed as up-front as he could in front of a rabid populace, who ironically are as much to blame for our own recession as any government or company in the U.S.

While I will give you that Barrack was upfront on the righting of the ship points and such I will not accept the insinuation that the American populace is as much at fault for the shape of things currently, what about the spurrious loan practices? ENRON? Oil Companies and there greedy unnecessary gas prices? What about all the shady shadows behind the credit corporations buying each other out and such, doesnt that sound like consolidation of power? Lets not forget its become such a circus that even the PORN industry is now seeking bailout cash...how sad is that? that the smut peddlers have the courage to ask for handouts when they make quite a profit off ridiculous things that are absolutely unnecessary...

Fox, what I mean by that is this:

While I understand that 99.9% of those that post on this site are brilliant with their money, have 0 credit cards, and are never late with their bills ( ), a huge chunk of Americans have taken on homes they cannot afford, and accepted credit on cards they cannot pay back.

I do not by the theory that it's a loan companies fault. People are adults. Our parents and grandparents had a habit of buying what they could afford, because you couldn't this easily get loans. We as a people did not learn, because by and large, people have houses with mortgages they cannot afford (along with upkeep and taxes, they sort of forget those when buying a home), and picking up card after credit card to furnish their lifestyle.

I am hardly saying that large companies and our own government are free and clear, they too, screwed the pooch rather badly, and in greed and avarice. But if people wouldn't have taken on more than they could pay, we wouldn't be in half this mess.

Which isn't a big deal all and all.. we are in it together. What irks me is how fast the people, for whom are ALSO responsible for this mess, are all on Obama to fix it immediately. They don't care if that's impossible, they want results, NOW. Well, it doesn't work that way. And it doesn't matter if Obama, McCain, Ron Paul or anyone else was put into office, NONE of them would magically fix it all, it's too deep a hole to fill it that quick.

Originally posted by fleabit
Fox, what I mean by that is this:

While I understand that 99.9% of those that post on this site are brilliant with their money, have 0 credit cards, and are never late with their bills ( ), a huge chunk of Americans have taken on homes they cannot afford, and accepted credit on cards they cannot pay back.

I do not by the theory that it's a loan companies fault. People are adults. Our parents and grandparents had a habit of buying what they could afford, because you couldn't this easily get loans. We as a people did not learn, because by and large, people have houses with mortgages they cannot afford (along with upkeep and taxes, they sort of forget those when buying a home), and picking up card after credit card to furnish their lifestyle.

I am hardly saying that large companies and our own government are free and clear, they too, screwed the pooch rather badly, and in greed and avarice. But if people wouldn't have taken on more than they could pay, we wouldn't be in half this mess.

Which isn't a big deal all and all.. we are in it together. What irks me is how fast the people, for whom are ALSO responsible for this mess, are all on Obama to fix it immediately. They don't care if that's impossible, they want results, NOW. Well, it doesn't work that way. And it doesn't matter if Obama, McCain, Ron Paul or anyone else was put into office, NONE of them would magically fix it all, it's too deep a hole to fill it that quick.

Upon reading, I agree completely. star for you.

Has there really been any president or politician who has kept his/her word?

You are all full of bunk and nothing but a pack of wolves waiting to pounce on anything, of substance or not, which could be used to attack Obam.a

This article in the OP says nothing about the things which you are discussing. The word healthcare is no where to be found but you instead state it like he said it himself.

The only tangible thing he says is that Gautanomo shutdown may take a while and that the middle east situation has become more complex with the Gaza fighting.

How about mentioning the one thing that he has actually gone against. Raising taxes.

Deny ignorance instead of proving it!

You all got exactly what you voted for, and deserve for that ignorance. ENJOY!!
Just a shame that everyone else has to suffer because of it.

Isn't it comical how there are people in the U.S. that still think a politician will tell you his/her true intentions? Politicians say what people want to hear. The one that says the things that the most people wanto hear wins. Then they do what they were going to do all along. It's not a new concept. The Romans were doing it 2000 years ago and the people keep buying it.
These are the same people that think they are responsible enough to create life.

Ok, Ok....HAHAHAHAHAHA....No, seriously, ROFLMAO.....Wait, Wait,

Ok, whew...now that I got that out of my system, lets get on to it. Obama was talking, but the sheep werent listening. He got elected on the promise of change. Of course, now the only thing that remotely resembles his promise is that silver and copperish stuff that you keep in a jug in the back of a closet. You might want to start counting your "change" in the very near future.

Poeple didnt fall for anything, they jumped in eyes wide shut, head first down the rabbit hole, sipping on kool-aid all the way to the "splat".

I cant wait to see the outrage in the coming months from those devotees of the man that arrived from Krypton. "SALVATION!?" Not this term.

{edit: typing errors...laughing all the way to my fingertips with this one}

[edit on 12-1-2009 by wheresthetruth]

Well honestly, i am wondering what people are going to day. Me? Heh i already knew that this would happen...just not so soon. Before he's sworn in he's saying that some of the promises i made to you can't be kept? I wonder which ones now...

O'bama is a politician first and foremost. He'll say and do (by cutting our rev. wright) what he gotta do to get elected.

I just hope everyone has a jar of vasaline(sp), cuz it's gonna get much more ruff. Heh..we would have gotten the same thing with john mccain.

Hey, wait a minute.

You guys DID vote for ->CHANGE<- right?

He did say one thing and do something else, right?

Isn't that change? What was the crap that they oft spew? "Change that we can believe in?"

So he changed his policies using his flip-floppin tongue.

So what's the problem here?

This is what the majority of Americans want, yes? "CHANGE"

LMAOOO LMAAAOOO LMAAOOOoooo.....

[edit on 13-1-2009 by SkepticalSpectacle]