I’m Sick Of The Pro Israel Sentiment Here On ATS!

Read what you just said. If the Holocaust happened to Christians or anyone else who could do something about it today, they would be still having a fit and would never let anybody forget it.

Jews have nowhere else to go. It's a state the size of New Jersey and the Gaza strip is way smaller. Palestinians can go join like minded allies in one of many countries, like Jordan. Just think about it.

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If they have no where else to go, why do they keep pushing and creating conflict?

Have you seen the true numbers of the Palestinians killed in this latest Zionist attack by a news source outside of U.S. mainstream control?

Its not a pretty picture, and if they have no where else to go, I do not see why Palestine must suffer eternally for that.

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And once again, you don't think it is possible for them to inflate the casualty numbers? That it is not logical or in their best interests for the officials in Gaza to inflate the numbers?

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I think you're going by feeling than rationality. Personally for the last week or so I have been in every thread about the current situation. I cannot not say I have seen to many of your posts. Which leads me to think that you are just mad at Israel in general. Out of all the threads and posts the people that are in support of Israel have been the most level headed, rational, and modest. Now if you would like you can look at the posts of pepsi and masonwatcher and see the true sentiment on ats. They are not just in support of Hamas but clearly in support of stupidity and child like behavior. But sadly they are tolerated....

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I believe the original poster of that comment was just being sarcastic. There's a few of you who have taken that seriously. It was never intended to be a serious comment from what i can tell (but i could be wrong).

Jews are living in several countries. There are many jews here in the united states. Please do not act like Jews have nowhere to go. The whole point is: Should they be forced to go somewhere?

Umm actually, to be fair, the thread entitled "I'm Sick of the Anti Israel Sentiment Here On ATS" IS the contradicting side of all the anti Israel sentiment on ATS... therefore, your thread brings nothing new to the table that cant be seen elsewhere here on ATS and only adds to further hate of a people you know nothing about.

At this exact moment, I am watching the Israeli news channel. In Hebrew. This is the real deal, not FOX or CNN or anything like that. This is the Israeli news, what they see on TV. My family watching it is in tears. Everyone on the channel is in tears. These are Israeli people. EVERYONE is being hurt by this war. I'm disgusted that people here saying the things they are saying. One day you will wake up and regret those horrible words.

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To answer your questions: Palestinian is a broad term to describe dozens of communities over hundreds of tribes.

Prior to WWI and even after and to this day many Palestinians were and are nomadic. Some tribes were larger than others and even still some had monarchy like systems or societies in place, like in the territories now known as Jordan. Israeli Palestinians didn't want to give up their independence to a Jordanian ruler, conforming to those laws. They had their own territory they lived in as nomads, Israel and parts of Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Egypt. The price they paid for wanting independence was their land.

Doesn't it all depend on someone's knowledge of the conflicts? I personally am not going to comment on a conflict I know little about. It's best that way. I happen to have studied the Israeli-Palestinian conflict more extensively than that of Darfur. But that doesn't mean it is any less important simply because I do not comment.



Apparently you don't get it because I very clearly pointed out in my opening post that questioning Israel - which is what I'm doing - and anti-Semitism are not the same thing. I even used an analogy that is very simple to understand: questioning Israel is no more anti-Semitic as questioning Barack Obama is racist.

I don't hate Jews. I hate people who hide behind the Jewish religion and the Israeli flag for their own personal gain - i.e. the Israeli government.



Why do Jews deserve their own country? Likewise, why do Muslims or Christians deserve their own country? Why does any ethnic or religious group deserve, exclusively, it's own country? Can't these people just live amongst the population of an established country? Why must we go to the lengths of stealing someone's country simply to establish a country for one group?

It's like a rich family moves in to your neighborhood. They buy a house, but they want your house too. With the snap of their fingers, you're kicked to the curb with no payment for what was formerly yours. Not only are you kicked the curb, but you also must be forced to live at the curb for the remainder of your days, with barricades around you, and with very little access to food, water, and medicine. Then the local media does reporting on this, and you are perceived as a criminal for being pissed off that you were thrown out of your home.

What gives them the right to take your home from you? And does it make things any better to have the local media present false reports about you, or to have others judge you based on those false reports?



You really only enforce my point I made in my opening post when you claim we all hate Jews. I said that people like you go to ridiculous lengths and resort to what essentially boils down to name calling rather than reviewing the facts. You assume we all hate Jews rather than attempting to get to the bottom of why we believe what we believe.

I thank you for providing a clear example of what I was pointing out in my opening post.

*never forget that the zionist entity did not come to reality by chance:the u.n. brought it out when Palestinians weren't having the right to choose being under british "authority";and the british authority which covered the intrusion of zionists in Palestine did pay the price for it with many british soldiers or policemen being killed by zionists ;the west definitely don't perceive the jews like other cultures and civilizations in the world do:i it because of remorse or is it because of ignorance and forged history....:so called holocaust is western business strictly and doesn't have to go global...;the west is consciously and/or unconsciously responsible of what is happening in Palestine....

Why do the Jews have to have some place to go? You act as if Israel isn't a nation.

Last I checked, Israel is a nation like every other nation. AND QUIT BRINGING UP THE HOLOCAUST IT DOESN"T JUSTIFY ANY ACTIONS FROM HERE ON OUT.

Geesh. I'm sick and tired of hearing about something which happened in the 40's when talking about actions today.

Here is what I think we all agree on so far:

1. Jews have a ligitimate claim to Israel.
2. Palestinians have a legitimate claim to Israel.
3. If Palestinians had the support of the USA and UN then they would be dominating.
4. the violence will not end until one side or the other has been eliminated.
5. the holocost is a moot issue in this thread.

Does that just about cover it?

Uhmm... let's backtrack. Jews were given Israel because no nation was willing to take hordes of homeless peoples into their borders.

So that's great.. Now however, at that point, it stopped being "Jews Deserver Israel" And started being simply Israel.

Whatever actions Israel takes is as a nation, not a Jewish people.


I don't think anyone has a legitimate claim to Jerusalem.

Israel is simply the name of the nation who occupies Jerusalem currently.

Don't get the two twisted.


Anyone who has the support of the US has a leg up. Hands down.


Not at all, if their fortunes were tied together, and both sides took a 50/50 split of tourism revenues, they would both work together to keep the place clean. That's another route.


Yes... Agree wholeheartedly. I have no idea why the Holocaust was even brought up to begin with unless it was more lame attempts to justify something.

One thing that struck to me about Isreal is that with their superior technology and tactics. They should/will win the war. Yet they talk as the underdog. Every one has the Alex Ferguson (Man Utd boss) underdog - "everyone is a against us" attitude and in this conflict, while there is some sympathy towards them, this is grating with their technology.

It would be like USA complaining beating the drum about Cuba all the time.

By the way, I sit firmly on the fence on this one - both Hamas and Isreal accuse each other of breaking the peace agreeemnt with some justification and both want the war for their own ends. Both will come out with more bitter and twisted recriminations and a less peaceful world at the end and yes- it is poor Joe public that take the killings - not the soldiers.

As in my other notes, we are all partly to blame for this, which politican has not gone to war to save their own neck and turn attention away from their own crappy performance (bush, Blair and thatcher to start the list rolling).

When our goverments go to war - we should simply as a nation stop paying our taxes and vote them out (I realise this assumes a decmocracy)

Pretend the Israelies are a up of water and the Palestinians are a cup of oil, as they have and now behave like. Now pretend the both must occupy a single cup the water. Which will be the only one to remain?

answer: Water

The oil will spill over or be burned away.

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hearsay? [SNIP] look at the discription, hell even the article title that makes it pretty clear.




hmmm i wonder what the article is about, must be hearsay. what a crock.

it matches perfectly with the other articals discription of what the artical is about. plus there is an option for you to buy the article, if you want the truth and you think im lying buy it. but you dont want the truth now do you?

i know what the artical says because i saw it back then. do you want me to wipe your butt and spoon feed you all this information? do some research, im not your mother. the evidence is there. and it is all fairly clear, the israelis did not want the palestinian movement taking off and growing so they divided the palestinians between a secular nationalist movement that was led by yasser arafat by creating the religious extremists hamas movement. this is how intelligence agencies work.

but it is quite obvious now, you dont want the truth, because you cant handle it.


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