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"The LORD is a man of war: The LORD is his name." EXODUS 15:3
"And the LORD spoke unto Moses in the plains of Moab by Jordan near Jericho, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan (Palestine); Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places. And ye shall dispossess the inhabitants of the land.." NUMBERS 33:50-53
"And the LORD thy GOD shall deliver them before thee; thou shall smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shall make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them." DEUTERONOMY 7:2
"Now go smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." 1 SAMUEL 15:3
Originally posted by afaik
If you put all the hurt and suffering on a scale I know who's weighs the most.
Originally posted by drock905
when you look at it from the ancient roots you see how both sides can kill over it and feel justified.
In 1960, the Knesset adopted the Basic Law -- Israel Lands, which formalised this. In proposing the law in the Knesset, religious affairs minister Zerah Warhaftig explained how the name of the law indicates Jewish ownership of the land: "we gave this law the name Basic Law: Israel Lands [...] We want to make it clear that the land of Israel belongs to the people of Israel
The measure known as the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law,[15] passed by the Knesset on 31 July 2003, does not enable the acqusition of Israeli citizenship or residency by a Palestinian from the West Bank or Gaza Strip via marriage.[16] The law does allow children from such marriages to live in Israel until age 12, at which age the law requires them to emigrate.[17]
Our government leaders have plans for the outcome of the war in Gaza. But will they fulfill their goals, or G-d's? Tamar talks about the surprises of war, and how we may want one thing, but G-d has something even better planned for us! Plus: The Eidelberg Report, "This Land is Ours".
Originally posted by Lostinthedarkness
This is going in the both the anti and pro Israel post .
The old adage 2 wrongs dont make a right . Israel gets rockets fired in the city 10 killed Israel goes to Gaze kills 200 . Damn it Hamas and Israel if you want to fight fine kill the troops and militants leave the non combatants out of the war. Quit killing women and children killing them only fans the flames .
These people have been killing each other for generations . Every time there is a chance at peace one of you screws it up .
IF the UN moved a group of people in my area set up that a new government Which then kicked me out of the home and farm that has been in my family for generations killed my wife and one of my kids then moved a new settler into my old family home you are darn right I would be mad. No one in his right mind woundnt be mad ! Now to kill innocent by standers to get back for that crime is just as wrong .
This is so reminiscent of what happened to the American Indians . The were penned them up and any resistance or up rising was met with extreme prejudice men women and babies killed not just the braves that did the acts . We literally starved some tribes into submission . The longest Walk is a good example. We were wrong then and Israel is Wrong now ! Segregation and starvation is wrong denial of medical care and killing of innocents is wrong on both sides .
When we had gang war fare in the 30s we threw both bosses in jail and killed or threw all the rank and file in jail as well .We continued doing that till the violence subsided . Is that what the UN will have to do to stop the madness ?
It seems we have 2 criminal elements fighting each other. Killing non combatants is a crime .
I bet every one wants peace but what will they give up for peace ? Will they share a little political power a little land will they give up the need for revenge and stop killing women and children . If neither side will give up killing non combatants then it will never end till one is utterly destroyed . As long as they both have political machines that are hell bent on the others destruction this will never end .And if neither side will give up killing innocent bystanders again this will never end . And supporting either side is contributing to the genocidal destruction of a culture .
Originally posted by VinceP1974
According to International Law when Party A hides within civilian population and does actions which compel Party B to perform valid military action against Party A. Any civilian deaths are the responsibility of Party A.
Originally posted by VinceP1974
It is by HAMAS design that Israel kills civilians, and dont think for a second the Palestinians don't know it. These people aren't stupid like those of us in the West, who they play like a fiddle.
Originally posted by VinceP1974
Wrong analogy.
What you have a giant empty lot from some past development that was torn down. Weeds and garbage everywhere. A few bums are laying around with their goats.
You come in, and track down who owns the parcels of land in the big lot. You start buying parcels for yourself and family and you come in and clean up the debris and start doing some basic landscaping.
Originally posted by VinceP1974
But you own your place and you put a lot of work in and your'e not going to let these jerks push you out.
Originally posted by VinceP1974
Wrong again.. the Indians didn't practically stalk the Europeans did they?
Originally posted by VinceP1974
Before Zionism, the entire area was desoluate. No one lived there in any significant number. There was no unique ethnicity or nationalialiy of "Palestinian"
Originally posted by VinceP1974
I refuse to call the Jewish people "Criminal elements" and I certainly refuse to equate them with the Death Worshipers. The Jewish people are under considerable anguish because they value Life. Their religious law is all about human love and compassion. Why do you think so many Jews vote for Democrats even if the Democrats have a more hostile stance toward Israel.. because the Democrats purportedly value "Social Justice" which is a key trait of the Jews.
Originally posted by VinceP1974
People in America will find out one day that when you have an enemy like this, an enemy that makes you choose... die or be more brutal than they are.
I choose aninihalting them. Don't forget the most important thing: If the Jews ever lose to the Arabs, the Arabs intend on destroying the Western World and will beleive it in their minds
Originally posted by Lostinthedarkness
So its okay to kill women and children if they are any where near a combat zone in school or in their home, shopping or just playing being a kid ?
Originally posted by VinceP1974
It is by HAMAS design that Israel kills civilians, and dont think for a second the Palestinians don't know it. These people aren't stupid like those of us in the West, who they play like a fiddle.
I honestly believe both sides try to play the US like a fiddle .
Originally posted by VinceP1974
Wrong analogy.
What you have a giant empty lot from some past development that was torn down. Weeds and garbage everywhere. A few bums are laying around with their goats.
You come in, and track down who owns the parcels of land in the big lot. You start buying parcels for yourself and family and you come in and clean up the debris and start doing some basic landscaping.
Buying up lots from a farm that was taken from the original owners . Hey they wernt using it it was only Palestinians raising olives goats and children there.
Definably needs to be bought up and subdivided
Originally posted by VinceP1974
But you own your place and you put a lot of work in and your'e not going to let these jerks push you out.
Ah Um I think thats what the Palestinians were saying when they had their homes taken
Originally posted by VinceP1974
Wrong again.. the Indians didn't practically stalk the Europeans did they?
The point I was driving at is the segregation confining them to a reservation limiting their food and medical care supplies and forcing high unemployment on them helping create a destitute situation . Any time any violence happened they were killed at a rate of 20 to one and given even harsher treatment .
Originally posted by VinceP1974
Before Zionism, the entire area was desoluate. No one lived there in any significant number. There was no unique ethnicity or nationalialiy of "Palestinian"
Lack of development is a just cause to relieve to owners of the present property. And force them from their few home to encampments
Originally posted by VinceP1974
I refuse to call the Jewish people "Criminal elements" and I certainly refuse to equate them with the Death Worshipers. The Jewish people are under considerable anguish because they value Life. Their religious law is all about human love and compassion. Why do you think so many Jews vote for Democrats even if the Democrats have a more hostile stance toward Israel.. because the Democrats purportedly value "Social Justice" which is a key trait of the Jews.
I agree with you here My frustration is not with the people but with the political machines of both sides The average human being does not want to kill everyone . The political machines be it a government or a religion .
Adolf Hitler:What luck for the rulers that men do not think. : Terrorism is the best political weapon for nothing drives people harder than a fear of sudden death. This from my sig ... politicians and the political machines have learned this lesson very well !
Personally I refuse to give up my humanity for any one My humanity and integrity no one can take from me unless i discard it .
And I do not I DO NOT think annihilating any race group creed or religion is right . If we continue this path we will either have one race creed and religion or we will blow our selves back the the stone age . We must figure out how to deviate from this destructive path . If not then first it will be wipe out the Palestinians then the Arabs then may be blacks or orientals next then Catholics or Baptists . Were does the killing and hatred stop ?