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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 03:12 PM
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Originally posted by MichJJC




4. the violence will not end until one side or the other has been eliminated.



HunkaHunka wrote in response.
Not at all, if their fortunes were tied together, and both sides took a 50/50 split of tourism revenues, they would both work together to keep the place clean. That's another route.


Pretend the Israelies are a up of water and the Palestinians are a cup of oil, as they have and now behave like. Now pretend the both must occupy a single cup the water. Which will be the only one to remain?

answer: Water

The oil will spill over or be burned away.


Ya know.. if we were talking about elements which are two completely different natures, then I'd say your analogy was at best reaching.

But we are talking about Humans. Water and Oil have no needs or desires, but Humans share common needs and desires... so your analogy doesn't hold water... or oil for that matter.




posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 03:25 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I'm not a jew, from israel or surport it.

But , i stick by them 100% on this. if Canada fired missles into US , your telling me they would not fight back??

what you must remember is that israel just wants peace nothing more, and for them who say israel just want war and so on.. your mad! no one wants war!

Also alot of people say its not the cilivans fault, well hamas has been eleceted by the people , they are the goverment and there actions speak for majorty of people , who voted them into power..

on the other hand children,women and "REAL" innocent people should not be allowed to be killed , israel has very advance technolgy and should use it carefully.



Time to Look at Considering what you Just said and Place it into Perspective from a Stand point of Israeli Army and Air Force.

Technonlogy Is awesome, But Cowardism is not!!!. Hamas intentionally places their weapons in Civilian areas with Innocents in the path.

Secondly if Anyone could bomd and rocket anyone for landgrab yadda yadda, Eminance domain would be a fun one-Point being- It happened, and if there was such a Large Problem, why in fact did nothing happen to stop it from happening??? Why does Israel exsist if Palestine have an issue with it, There was nothing stopping them from overthrowing the creation. And don't argue there, because even nations not in the U.N. Can have say in an Observer Status.

And someone brought up a good point! Jordan was created at the same time as Israel, So what? No problem there?. Palestine may be a broad term, but it was also a Broad State until Israel and Jordan, So why not Rain Rockets on Jordan?

GREAT LETTER TO THE EDITOR: Pocono Record! (Pennsylvania)
Hamas Chooses tp Fight, Israel must to survive.
Remember this Truism whenever you read anything about Israel and the Middle East especially with the Gaza Attack. "If Hamas stops fighting, There will be peace, If Israel stops fighting, there will be no Israel"

That is the greatest Truism ever- Some people call it WAR, but it is truely DEFENCE.

Don't try to stop us from Raining Rockets on Israel, But Oh No their attacking us Stop them Stop Them!!! ((Bleeping)) Hypocrits!!!

Thats just my view, and I'm Sticking with it!!!

GO ISRAEL!!!!!!!!



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by TheRepublic
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
 


Ahmed Yassin, the spiritual leader of the Islamist movement in Palestine, returning from Cairo in the seventies, established an Islamic charity association. Prime Minister Golda Meir, saw this as a an opportunity to counterbalance the rise of Arafat’s Fatah movement. .According to the Israeli weekly Koteret Ra# (October 1987), "The Islamic associations as well as the university had been supported and encouraged by the Israeli military authority" in charge of the (civilian) administration of the West Bank and Gaza. "They [the Islamic associations and the university] were authorized to receive money payments from abroad."


and dont get all semantical. its quite obvious the israelis are acting like nazis.

lets see treating other people like dog poo because they are a diffrent race: CHECK

having people live in concentration camps with no acess to food or water or basic necessities: CHECK

killing men women and children of another race: CHECK

take the blinders off man.


The Palis treat each other like dogs. The other arabs treat the Palis like dogs. Iranians treat Palis like dogs.

Palis are groomed to be constantly agitated to make them effective human bombs against Israel.

When Israel treats them like human , waves of bombers enter Israel.

One has to live in a little hatefilled alternate universe to ignore that every misfortune to fall on the Palis is a direct result of the Palis actions and no one elses.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 03:47 PM
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What gives them the right to take your home from you? And does it make things any better to have the local media present false reports about you, or to have others judge you based on those false reports?.


If you really read history, you'll soon enough that the Baricades are Palestines, Not Israels



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 03:52 PM
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The Palis treat each other like dogs. The other arabs treat the Palis like dogs. Iranians treat Palis like dogs.


hmm good point. i guess it is ok for israel to blow them to bits. everyone else says they are dogs so it is ok to kill them.




Palis are groomed to be constantly agitated to make them effective human bombs against Israel.


well all good dogs must be groomed... plus these dogs are groomed BY ISRAEL!!!!!!

israel created hamas! why does no one grasp this? they created hamas so they could have an excuse to bomb the palestininas back to the stone age.




When Israel treats them like human , waves of bombers enter Israel.


if living in a walled off cage devoid of food jobs and basic supplies is humanity then i dont want any of israels "Humane" treatment.




One has to live in a little hatefilled alternate universe to ignore that every misfortune to fall on the Palis is a direct result of the Palis actions and no one elses.


hatefilled? well ive met palestians and ive met jews. i think one has to live in a universe of ignorance and hubris to not see that these people have been treated like dog crap their entire lives. most jews i met were arrogant. i mean their religion tells them they are genetically superior so what do you exspect. the palestininans i met seemed like sad beaten people they cant get jobs and they have no future. THAT IS WHAT CAUSES TERRORISM.

screw the israeli nazi government.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 03:54 PM
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No it's called critical thinking. Try it sometime.
And considering the fact you are calling Jewish people Nazi's shows just how little of it you are in fact using.

Good day sir.

[edit on 6-1-2009 by Watcher-In-The-Shadows]



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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What people seem to forget about Zionists is their main objective is to reclaim the holy land and then become the 'light of the world' that is to say the guiding force behind all global actions, they will then convince all other nations to obey the 7 laws noah was given for non jews (i.e. those that aren't the chosen people)

yes those of you who know the bible will know just how hateful these are,

Homosexuality is banned
Freedom of speech and religion are banned
pulling legs off animals and eating them is banned

hehe ok so they aren't all evil, of course we ALL hate the gays! (joke)

No this isn't a conspiracy theory, it's what the religion they all believe in commands them - does this mean all jews feel this way? no, like how all christians don't support GW Bush's fundamentalism and all Muslims don't support Zawarhe's radical Islam. However this is the message and mission being taught to any potential zionist that will listen (Israel national news spouts it all day for example).



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:00 PM
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So.
Those that justify Hamas's launching of rockets on Israel. Are any of you American? Do you think it would be okay if Native American's launched rockets on your house? Or would you respond like I sure as heck would seeing as to how I would like for my family to continue breathing as well as myself. America did after all steal land from them. America did after all show them onto land that isn't worth spit and killed them in droves. I would say they have a right to be a little annoyed too.

Funny how few apply look what their own reactions would be when decrying others.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:06 PM
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if denying documented evidence because you dont like what it says about your pre existing worldview is critical thinking, then you can keep your critical thinking to yourself.

oh and you can keep playing semantical games about my use of the term nazi but it is accurate.

the jews are engaging in many of the thuggish tactics the nazis used.
you either cant see that because you are blinded by propaganda, or you our purposfully spewing disinfo. either way its pathetic.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:11 PM
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Actually my post was not so much directed at yours as the many others replies and post that perpetuate their hate. There are so many to blame (if that is the right word) than just Israel, but it seems Israel is the only blame for many. Your post puts the focus on Israel too without adding in the other factors that are just as big as Israel issues with Gaza.

The logic that is mostly applied in this case can be applied to just about any country to discredit their right as an internationally recognized state. The fact that these tribes were nomads could just easily mean that they have the right to many other countries/areas too, and not just the convenient borders of Israel or no rights to anything since international powers at the time created most of the countries around there.

Did America have the right to take this land from the Brits? Did we have the right to take the land from the Indians with superior weapons? Did the Indians have the right to war with other tribes expanding their areas…which as in the case of the nomadic Palatines there never was borders to say who owned what.

Israel fought wars over their rights too, just as America and so many other countries have done. So this all boils down to a small patch of land known as Israel. Let’s fight WWIII over that geez…

Egypt, Jordan and Syria had 50 years to help those people, but they didn’t do anything even when Egypt had control over Gaza for a few decades. Sometimes helping is providing a better place for them to live, but no country for the last 100 years wanted to help them. Remember they were nomads, so home to them can be just about anywhere in that region, could it not? They could all be in Jordan decades ago or Egypt, Syria, Iraq etc. All those areas were part of their nomadic ways.

Add in the Palestinians leadership would rather kill Jews then work with Israel on anything and so their people suffer. Weapons of choice are a moot point for it is an all encompassing totally counterproductive attitude of Hamas that is as much to blame as anyone.



[edit on 6-1-2009 by Xtrozero]



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:14 PM
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If the US government tried to stop people entering and leaving the reservations, stopped them having access to things they needed and restricted their access to water, food, etc then i would be out protesting the american (or British if we did it to the welsh) gov before the ink had dried on the news paper. I would demand that they get treated like dignified humans by my national representatives and if they did start firing rockets i would blame each innocent death on the selfish actions of my government.

if all the arab nations were to blockade Isreal and all the jews were living in poverty, no access to clean water or food, etc, etc then would THEY fire rockets at the people who built the wall?



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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Amen. Israel and its apologists have only 2 real moves:

Bring up the Holocaust and use it as justification for further crimes against humanity

Lable anybody who dares critisize the nation of Isreal as anti semite

Thats pretty much the cruz of every argument I have seen



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:17 PM
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WHAT IS GENOCIDE?


The term "genocide" did not exist before 1944. It is a very specific term, referring to violent crimes committed against groups with the intent to destroy the existence of the group. Human rights, as laid out in the U.S. Bill of Rights or the 1948 United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights, concern the rights of individuals.
www.ushmm.org...


How is what is going on ANY different?

If that shoe fits put that sucker on



[G]enocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
www.ushmm.org...


Lets see Isreal is practicing a,b,c for sure




[edit on 6/1/09 by Operation AJAX]



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:26 PM
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do any of you realy know the true history of Israel how it was founded ?

this is from the British White Paper of June 1922

The tension which has prevailed from time to time in Palestine is mainly due to apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population. These apprehensions, so far as the Arabs are concerned are partly based upon exaggerated interpretations of the meaning of the [Balfour] Declaration favouring the establishment of a Jewish National Home in Palestine, made on behalf of His Majesty's Government on 2nd November, 1917.

Unauthorized statements have been made to the effect that the purpose in view is to create a wholly Jewish Palestine. Phrases have been used such as that Palestine is to become "as Jewish as England is English." His Majesty's Government regard any such expectation as impracticable and have no such aim in view. Nor have they at any time contemplated, as appears to be feared by the Arab deegation, the disappearance or the subordination of the Arabic population, language, or culture in Palestine. They would draw attention to the fact that the terms of the Declaration referred to do not contemplate that Palestine as a whole should be converted into a Jewish National Home, but that such a Home should be founded `in Palestine.' In this connection it has been observed with satisfaction that at a meeting of the Zionist Congress, the supreme governing body of the Zionist Organization, held at Carlsbad in September, 1921, a resolution was passed expressing as the official statement of Zionist aims "the determination of the Jewish people to live with the Arab people on terms of unity and mutual respect, and together with them to make the common home into a flourishing community, the upbuilding of which may assure to each of its peoples an undisturbed national development."

for any of you that did not get that
apprehensions, which are entertained both by sections of the Arab and by sections of the Jewish population

OH my there where jews in palistine before 1922

Here is more

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181
November 29, 1947
PLAN OF PARTITION WITH ECONOMIC UNION
Part I. - Future Constitution and Government of Palestine
A. TERMINATION OF MANDATE, PARTITION AND INDEPENDENCE

Independent Arab and Jewish States and the Special International Regime for the City of Jerusalem, set forth in Part III of this Plan, shall come into existence in Palestine two months after the evacuation of the armed forces of the mandatory Power has been completed but in any case not later than 1 October 1948. The boundaries of the Arab State, the Jewish State, and the City of Jerusalem shall be as described in Parts II and III below.

The period between the adoption by the General Assembly of its recommendation on the question of Palestine and the establishment of the independence of the Arab and Jewish States shall be a transitional period.

this is who voted for and against this reolution
In favour: 33

Australia, Belgium, Bolivia, Brazil, Byelorussian S.S.R., Canada, Costa Rica, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, France, Guatemala, Haiti, Iceland, Liberia, Luxemburg, Netherlands, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Norway, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Sweden, Ukrainian S.S.R., Union of South Africa, U.S.A., U.S.S.R., Uruguay, Venezuela.

Against: 13

Afghanistan, Cuba, Egypt, Greece, India, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Yemen.

Abstained: 10

Argentina, Chile, China, Colombia, El Salvador, Ethiopia, Honduras, Mexico, United Kingdom, Yugoslavia.

aint that funny all the Arab states voted against the arabs in palistine getting there on state

all of this can be found here avalon.law.yale.edu...



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:29 PM
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Originally posted by TheRepublic
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
 


if denying documented evidence because you dont like what it says about your pre existing worldview is critical thinking, then you can keep your critical thinking to yourself.

oh and you can keep playing semantical games about my use of the term nazi but it is accurate.

the jews are engaging in many of the thuggish tactics the nazis used.
you either cant see that because you are blinded by propaganda, or you our purposfully spewing disinfo. either way its pathetic.



PROPAGANDA ?!?!?!?!?! Is that What Defense against rocket attacks are now, Holy Crap I need a New friggin dictionary, YOU Tell us one Nazi Like tactic The Israeli's are using to Defend (THATS RIGHT DEFEND!!! Themselves and I will personally Congratulate you on Reading into even more Propaganda.

Just Example(not Actual Figures)
Innocent Civilians Killed=500
HAMAS Killed= 300
Convinient Innocents Killed=800
Total Killed=800 Death Toll of Innocents

Are you Friggin Blind or Can you Actually see the Above Connection, Let me Put it together for ya, Hamas are Terrorists, who conviently become "Innocent" when they Become Corpses!

Palestinian Death Toll in 4 Days= 300+-Estimated
Israel Death Toll in 4 Days= 140+-Estimated
Israel Terrorism Death Toll 1920-1999=2500-FACT Terrorism Deaths
As 2000-Rising unknown

So Don't You Sit there and Call Israeli's Tactics of Defense NAZISM, Because in any war be Defensive or Other wise, Getting to the Water, Food, Engery Supllies are Vital- But To Say any other Crap about their Defensive Tactics as Ethnic Cleansing, or anything else, YOU ARE A TERRORIST IN MY EYES!!!



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:32 PM
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Originally posted by NatureBoy

If the US government tried to stop people entering and leaving the reservations, stopped them having access to things they needed and restricted their access to water, food, etc then i would be out protesting the american (or British if we did it to the welsh) gov before the ink had dried on the


How much of that restriction is because of decades of the Palestinians bombing Israel using guerilla warfare tactics? What about the Gaza side that borders Egypt that is walled up and restricted by them?

Much of Israel actions are harsh but are reactive in nature. Much of Egypt's actions are because they care little for the Palestinians and don't want to be burden by them.

Once again finger pointing can go in many many directions.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:40 PM
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israeli intelligence created hamas.
so how are the palestinin people responsible for hamas's actions?
israel funds and creates hamas.
hamas luanches rockets.
israel kills palestinian civilians.





So Don't You Sit there and Call Israeli's Tactics of Defense NAZISM, Because in any war be Defensive or Other wise, Getting to the Water, Food, Engery Supllies are Vital- But To Say any other Crap about their Defensive Tactics as Ethnic Cleansing, or anything else, YOU ARE A TERRORIST IN MY EYES!!!


it is ethnic cleansing. and if standing up to genocidial militants who wall off a whole people and bomb them to bits is a terrorist thing to do well im proud to be a terrorist.

i want to strike terror into the heart of every murderer who has the blood of palestinian children on their hands. i want them to be terrified that there propogandizing is just that propoganda.

and i wont stop till everyone knows that mossad created hamas to have an excuse to commit genocide against the palestininans.

sleep tight buddy because this terrorist will be here for a while.

[edit on 6-1-2009 by TheRepublic]



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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Knowledge is power, and to add that they have fought a few wars and formed treaties with those Arab counties also adds some validity to their rights as a state.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by Operation AJAX
Amen. Israel and its apologists have only 2 real moves:

Bring up the Holocaust and use it as justification for further crimes against humanity

Lable anybody who dares critisize the nation of Isreal as anti semite

Thats pretty much the cruz of every argument I have seen


you know more slavs died in the gas chambers of birkenau than jews ?



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 04:47 PM
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Originally posted by TheRepublic
reply to post by Watcher-In-The-Shadows
 

the jews are engaging in many of the thuggish tactics the nazis used.
you either cant see that because you are blinded by propaganda, or you our purposfully spewing disinfo. either way its pathetic.


I Don't know what your Talking About, But I Believe the Above Statement was Made By You

Take a Good Look at what you write so You have Idea of What people who are responding to you are saying!





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