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reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:03 AM by silo13

reply to post by Skyfloating

We live in a free world relative to many other countries.

IMO *Free* and *Relative* don’t belong in the same sentence.
You’re free - Or you’re not.
The USA is NOT a free Nation.
Anyone who believe it is - Is delusional.

Try leaving the country - without permission.

So it’s illegal to rape your spouse, but try to marry the spouse of your choice. (Gay Marriage)

And so on and so on and so on.

The list is never ending.

Constitution Free Zones?

Don't even get me started.

It’s all BS - and American isn’t Free.

*P*E*A*C*E*

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:06 AM by Skyfloating

reply to post by pieman

Right. You wont even grant the country its right to exist.Way to go on the road to peace

[edit on 6-1-2009 by Skyfloating]

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:08 AM by 5ive the light

reply to post by Cadbury

with a name like that you obviously come from the "not so" uk,
im from crawley (for anyone not from uk half way between london and the south cast) in the last 9 years we've had 8+ terrorist's arrested whome all admitted to planning or being involed in terror attacks in the uk. thats allot for a medioker size town, special as they all went to local schools with all the people they wre planning to bomb(local night club). they had gone to the taining camps in affganistan and come back to sped they're hate.

i feel the israili's are taking the mick a bit , if you see what was palistien and what was israil in 1947 its funny when you think hitler himself said that this would happen until it did just not in germany.

i have no side but there is no free world any more not unles you have money,and well lets face it that aint free!

i dont think this thread is goin where i thought it was, ignorance is igorance!
one love y'all
mr 50

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:09 AM by Spiramirabilis

reply to post by pieman

care to explain your thoughts in a little more detail? i'm clearly missing some inportant point.

you are - but, it's not just you

at times it's been all of us - myself included

reread from the beginning - it won't take you long

we all show up for certain topics loaded for bear - not thoughtful discussion

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:09 AM by pieman

reply to post by Skyfloating

did i say that? quote me. go on, quote the post in which i said that.

what kind of person am i dealing with?

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:11 AM by blupblup

reply to post by Skyfloating

Usually like your threads but this is misleading propaganda....

Not a one-liner

[edit on 6/1/09 by blupblup]

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:15 AM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by pieman
personally i don't think that any religion has a "right" to establish a country on the piece of land of their choice. i question the logic that suggests that the ownership of land should be decided according to religious tradition rather than ethnic attachment. i don't see the legitimacy of the current isrealli occupation of territory.

This is a diplomatic way of saying "Israel has no right to exist".

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:17 AM by pieman

reply to post by Spiramirabilis

frankly, just because skyfloating maintains a slight vaugeness in his suggestion does not negate the suggestion. i would propose that there is nothing read into posts that is not meant.

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:17 AM by Cadbury

Originally posted by 5ive the light

with a name like that you obviously come from the "not so" uk

A very strange conclusion you jump to. I've lived in the South East of England all my life.

im from crawley (for anyone not from uk half way between london and the south cast)

I know exactly where it is.

in the last 9 years we've had 8+ terrorist's arrested whome all admitted to planning or being involed in terror attacks in the uk. thats allot for a medioker size town, special as they all went to local schools with all the people they wre planning to bomb(local night club). they had gone to the taining camps in affganistan and come back to sped they're hate.

That's a fairly high ratio for Crawley alone. But there are an estimated 2 million Muslims in the U.K. and the claim that "many" of them are "fanatics waiting to blow something up" is stereotypical, fear-based gibberish.

I stand by everything I've said.

[edit on 6-1-2009 by Cadbury]

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:19 AM by Skyfloating

Originally posted by blupblup

Usually like your threads but this is misleading propaganda....

[edit on 6/1/09 by blupblup]

Usually like your posts but this is a non-statement....

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:23 AM by Skyfloating

Keep in mind guys, that its not all black and white.

Being muslim critical does not equal being a muslim hater.

Just like being israel critical does not equal being an anti-semite.

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:28 AM by pieman

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by pieman
personally i don't think that any religion has a "right" to establish a country on the piece of land of their choice. i question the logic that suggests that the ownership of land should be decided according to religious tradition rather than ethnic attachment. i don't see the legitimacy of the current isrealli occupation of territory.

This is a diplomatic way of saying "Israel has no right to exist".

so i didn't say it then?

you assume that's what it means because you're assuming i mean something other than what i am saying but i have at no point said that i do not believe isreal has a right to exist.

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:33 AM by Spiramirabilis

reply to post by pieman

kinda the point

but maybe I just see it differently than you

also kinda the point

not looking for a fight - just found this experience very interesting

like drinking orange juice when you're expecting milk

edit to add: it's about more than just vagueness

[edit on 1/6/2009 by Spiramirabilis]

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:35 AM by mrmonsoon

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Skyfloating
One Fact-Map is worth a thousand words.

Sure. And I'll add the 'thousand words' to your maps.
list of radical islamic terrorist attacks

immediate edit to fix link

[edit on 1/5/2009 by FlyersFan]

Wow, I mean just WOW!!!

Wow about what a great souce to show us the facts in the case.

Wow, The list of terrorist attacks seems to go on for every.

I feel bad I can only star your clear cut information.

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:36 AM by blupblup

reply to post by Skyfloating

And not even your opinion as a member....but as a mod?? Nice

Thank you, I'm glad we agree.
Well, let's start with the title.... fanatical Muslims versus the free world.
As pointed out previously, America among other nations,is not free.
Your "maps" in your opening post contain no key and there is very little substance whatsoever... compared to some of your other more thought-out threads.... which makes me wonder....

Why not make a thread on the flip-side?

Fanatical Christians versus the free world??

And how, under the guise of religion and/or freedom, America and the UK are and have been subtly (and not so subtly) engaging in a smear campaign against Muslims in order to maintain tension and hostility between Christians(and the west in general) and Muslims?
Using "the(fake) war on terror" as an excuse to invade any country they so choose and allowing Israel almost absolute freedom to do the same?

Thought not....

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:36 AM by Spiramirabilis

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Keep in mind guys, that its not all black and white.

Being muslim critical does not equal being a muslim hater.

Just like being israel critical does not equal being an anti-semite.

just thought it was worth repeating

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:41 AM by pieman

reply to post by Spiramirabilis

hey, i don't want a fight either, i just wish you'ld say what you mean to say instead of suggesting a hidden agenda that i don't believe exists.

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:42 AM by Cadbury

Originally posted by Skyfloating
Keep in mind guys, that its not all black and white.

Being muslim critical does not equal being a muslim hater.

Just like being israel critical does not equal being an anti-semite.

"Muslim" is not a country. If one were to critisise Judaism and not Israel, could that be considered "anti-semetic?" Tough call?

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:43 AM by VinceP1974

Originally posted by karl 12

[They felt that Government and Religion have no business being mixed and that each would corrupt the other and cause the public confidence to be destroyed in both.

Yes as the wonderful Mr Carlin said:

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin

However, they viewed it as a prerequisite that only a specifically Christian people can maintain the Liberty the Constitution was designed to protect. They allowed for each person the freedom of conscience so it was never thought of to be against atheists or people from other faiths as long as teh majority of the populace shared a Christian social and personal ethic.

I strongly disagree with this opinion (and think it is in fact christian propaganda).
I realise this is not the place to do it (as it may detract from the thread) but there are a great many autheticated quotes and references that should not exist if your opinion were true.

If you want to start a new thread to discuss it then please do.

I'm at work right now and cant't devote the time to start a new thread , especially on something like this.

But I do have a link:

www.eadshome.com...

reply posted on 6-1-2009 @ 10:45 AM by Skyfloating

reply to post by blupblup

Fanatical Christians vs. The Free World? Yes, why not. Same applies there.

Why do you automatically assume I wouldnt agree with that?

Why do many assume that someone who is critical of muslim fanatics must be either a Christian or a Bush-supporter???????????

Also...none of the opinions I post have anything whatsoever to do with ATS-Modding.