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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 06:06 AM
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Originally posted by KilgoreTrout
You were pretty marred by that experience though weren't you?


Yes. But luckily Im a man. The woman who was travelling with me was shocked beyond belief.



That culture, Israeli culture was imported from Europe, it doesn't or didn't belong there, it suited you because it was more along the lines that you were used to.


Yeah...since I didnt grow up being forced to recite Koran verses, Im not used to them.




When all hope of a peaceful solution is lost, when you continue to be pushed into a smaller and smaller hole, when all means to forge a life and living is removed from you, tell me what do you do? Do you die or do you fight for your survival?




In December 2007, during the Paris Donor Conference, which followed the Annapolis Conference, the international community pledged over $7.7 billion for 2008–2010 in support of the Palestinian Reform and Development Program (PRDP).[42] Hamas, which was not invited to Paris, called the conference a "declaration of war" on it


Source: International Aid to Palestine




It is important to remember to try on everyones shoes, whether they fit or not, even if they stink, you cannot possibly understand the world today until you have at least attempted to see it from every conceiveable angle.



I have. At current I happen to be exploring the US/Israeli angle.

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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 06:16 AM
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reply to post by VinceP1974
 


can you provide a link the figures that are attached to the map showing terrorist attacks. i've looked on www.thereligionofpeace.com... and i can find no mention of many of the attacks you have marked in europe.





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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by detachedindividual
 


"When all Jews are dead, we will have peace on earth" they told me.


Isn't that statement true though?

80% of jews are zionist extremists who don't know what humanity means.They just want all the Arabs dead so that they can carry on with their expansion plans from Nile to Eupharates.These intelligent zionists form a large chunk of US leadership thus funding their illegal activites using Billions of US tax dollars.

Now its up the the american people to speak up against their leaders and use their tax money more wisely in their interests than funding an illegal terrorist state that is putting them at risk with it's reputation going down the drainhole.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by karl 12

Originally posted by VinceP1974
And so we seeing the Founder's theory about what happens to a society that forsakes its religion right before our eyes.


But weren't the founding fathers of the opinion that organised religion,particularly christianity,has a terrible effect on society and should in no way be afforded any authority or place in US government?


They felt that Government and Religion have no business being mixed and that each would corrupt the other and cause the public confidence to be destroyed in both.

However, they viewed it as a prerequisite that only a specifically Christian people can maintain the Liberty the Constitution was designed to protect. They allowed for each person the freedom of conscience so it was never thought of to be against atheists or people from other faiths as long as teh majority of the populace shared a Christian social and personal ethic.



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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by pieman
reply to post by VinceP1974
 


can you provide a link the figures that are attached to the map showing terrorist attacks. i've looked on www.thereligionofpeace.com... and i can find no mention of many of the attacks you have marked in europe.





[edit on 6/1/09 by pieman]


The data was put into SQL Server on a computer I no longer have. That's why they're about a year old. The attack data went back to 2001.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 06:46 AM
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Originally posted by VinceP1974
The data was put into SQL Server on a computer I no longer have. That's why they're about a year old. The attack data went back to 2001.


so thats a "no" then!!

an interesting man once said "there are lies, damned lies and statistics." all these unsubstantiated statistical maps are getting quite tiresome.

seriously, is there any chance that any of you might be able to come up with some hard figures to add a basis to the premise that fanatical islam is particularly juxtaposed to the free world.

it seems to me that the basis of this thread is purely stereotyping and ignorance at this point.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 06:58 AM
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Originally posted by pieman

Originally posted by VinceP1974
The data was put into SQL Server on a computer I no longer have. That's why they're about a year old. The attack data went back to 2001.


so thats a "no" then!!

an interesting man once said "there are lies, damned lies and statistics." all these unsubstantiated statistical maps are getting quite tiresome.

seriously, is there any chance that any of you might be able to come up with some hard figures to add a basis to the premise that fanatical islam is particularly juxtaposed to the free world.

it seems to me that the basis of this thread is purely stereotyping and ignorance at this point.


Considering I had to geocode all the cities from the attacks, I'm pretty sure it was there. LOL.

Call me a liar if you want. I dont care. You have your agenda and you're sticking to it! Good man!



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 07:02 AM
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I gee I found some..

www.letmegooglethatforyou.com...

How hard was that?
When you scroll down you'll see it.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 07:12 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.



Originally posted by VinceP1974
I can tell you're college educated because you are unable to address this real-world problem so instead you deflect to something you can blame America for.


And I blamed America for what exactly?

I gave two examples in my first post...arms spending and war deaths. I left it to anyone reading to draw a conclustion. In my second post I gave an example of a way that something could be percieved as fanaticism. I didn't blame anyone for anything.

If I told you I had no formal qualifications, would that make a difference to how you choose to decypher my opinion?

Would it be different if I had a PHD in nuclear physics?

I doubt it, because you seem to have made up your mind about how I think already.

As for being "unable to address this real-world problem", hows this for an idea - people should keep their noses out of other peoples business, and accept that they have their own ways, customs and beliefs.

Its only by one side forcing their beliefs on the other that problems arise, whether those beliefs be capitalism/islam/facism/catholicism/communism/christianity

At the end of the day, we're all people.

It seems to me that everyone just wants to label, because that gives them a reason to hate. Thats just sad.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 07:18 AM
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as i said, i checked the web site and was unable to substantiate quite a few of the marks on your map. i'm not saying you're a liar, i am calling your data unsubstantiated, which it is.

if you have an issue with this i suggest you provide some actual data to substantiate you claims instead of suggesting that google is a reasonable alternative, it isn't.


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posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by pieman
reply to post by VinceP1974
 


as i said, i checked the web site and was unable to substantiate quite a few of the marks on your map. i'm not saying you're a liar, i am calling your data unsubstantiated, which it is. if you have an issue with this i suggest you provide some actual data to substantiate you claims.



Check out my 7:02 message for said substantiation.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 07:26 AM
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you haven't posted at 7:02 using the time code i am using, which post are you referring to?



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 07:50 AM
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What the liberals and muslim sympathizers don't seem to get is that muslim fanatics are part of a death cult. They have been promised 70 virgins for blowing themselves up. I don't know what the women suicide bombers have been promised.
As far as Guantanamo, these men are prisoners of war, and thus are subject to military tribunals. I do agree that trials should begin. But it is time for the citizens of the Free World(a term from the cold war, for those of you to young to remember)to take a stand against this evil that threatens not only free government, but freedom of (or from) religion, and freedom of thought.
These are dangerous times, and they are exciting times. The world is going through major changes. It is time for freedom loving individuals to take a stand. We are standing on the cusp of a major change in the the way mankind lives and thinks. We can give in to these cult of death fantics or we cans stand up to them where ever they are.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 07:56 AM
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And moral superiority involves wrapping yourself in dynamite, walking into a crowd of women and children and blowing yourself up?
I am the first to admit that America made mistakes. Every country, every person, has.
Go crawl back under your rock and meditate on that for a while. Perhaps "Gaia" will tell you that death cults are not morally superior.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 07:58 AM
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if those men are prisoners of war then i suggest they are entitled to the same rights that american POW's were in WW2. why is this not the case?



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 08:05 AM
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[They felt that Government and Religion have no business being mixed and that each would corrupt the other and cause the public confidence to be destroyed in both.


Yes as the wonderful Mr Carlin said:

I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death.
George Carlin



However, they viewed it as a prerequisite that only a specifically Christian people can maintain the Liberty the Constitution was designed to protect. They allowed for each person the freedom of conscience so it was never thought of to be against atheists or people from other faiths as long as teh majority of the populace shared a Christian social and personal ethic.


I strongly disagree with this opinion (and think it is in fact christian propaganda).
I realise this is not the place to do it (as it may detract from the thread) but there are a great many autheticated quotes and references that should not exist if your opinion were true.

If you want to start a new thread to discuss it then please do.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 08:31 AM
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The modernization of the middle east was halted and fundamentalist muslim began to be promoted out of Saudi Arabia, which has close ties to the US, and the west, and owns many of our businesses. I have a question. Why is it that the Bildenburg group, or the Rothchild's, DuPont's and Rockefellers of the world, and their henchmen, our leaders, the cia, and others, are hell-bent in dismantling fledgling democracies everywhere, and promoting ancient barbaric serfdoms, and fascism?

Because I see fundamentalism as their toy for suppression of people.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by t0ken
80% of jews are zionist extremists who don't know what humanity means.


I know what the propaganda tracts say. They say that "the evil zionist runs the world".

Not true. Zionists are simply people who have the right to their own nation (a nation they were stripped of by the Roman Empire) and the right to defend it.



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 08:34 AM
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why do they have a right to their own nation? who gave them this right?



posted on Jan, 6 2009 @ 08:35 AM
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great answer. We have stopped teaching virtures in schools, (everything has to be morally neutral), and when parents try to teach their children to live morally correct lives, the children have to deal with the morally neutral teaching in schools, and the children of parents who make no effort to teach their children.
We have turned our backs on the ideals our country was founded on, and thuse we are now so divided that, if we cannot come together, we will lose what amounts to a war for our civil and religious liberties.





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