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reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 08:46 AM by mikesingh
Originally posted by mister.old.school
These Abrahamic religions all have severe amounts of blood tainting their collective "regressed" souls. None are without guilt. All have sanctioned atrocities in the name of "God".


Spot on! I can't contest that! All in the name of religion? You may not have read my post here which is hidden away in the lybrinths of this thread and so I'll repeat it here.

As far as I’m concerned, religion is an outdated concept. I’m not Christian, Muslim, Hindu, or a follower of any of the other myriad religions. Over the centuries it’s brought nothing but war, mayhem, destruction and bloodshed. I’m not an atheist either but I do believe in the concept of humanism. Which is:

’A rational philosophy informed by science, inspired by art, and motivated by compassion. Affirming the dignity of each human being, it supports the maximization of individual liberty and opportunity consonant with social and planetary responsibility. It advocates the extension of participatory democracy and the expansion of the open society, standing for human rights and social justice.’

And that’s my religion. And probably the way forward. But looking at the present chaos the world is in, it would take perhaps another few thousand years for humanity to rise above this religious bigotry and attain a higher level of consciousness. And that’s when we can truly call ourselves a Type 1 civilization.

Until then, it’s the mullahs and the self styled religious priests and preachers who will rule the roost, leaving us to stew in their obnoxious juices.


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 11:41 AM by DantesLost
reply to post by mikesingh




The truth is that out of 640 people killed (Excluding Israelis) only 176 are civilians.


Is it the truth?
No exact number can be known at this time,but only 176 civilians,I'll have to disagree.According to the UN the figure is between 40 and 50% of all casualties.

Oh,and a 176 is a very exact figure,what is your source?


Yes! Soldiers of Allah who have been ordained to fight by him to kill all non believers. For this the means don't matter. The end does.


It is forbidden in Islam to kill another with just cause.
The,'kill all non believers' is only acceptable if you are attacked.It is forbidden for a Muslim to instigate an attack just so that they can kill non-Muslims.It is all in the Qur'an,maybe you should take the time to read it.

And I doubt you are aware that in the Old Testament that God tells the people of Israel to kill all non-believers too.But he doesn't put the same restrictions on it is Allah does.


Religion may be an out dated concept to you,but if you want to use it in a debate it always helps if you know something about it.


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 12:53 PM by DantesLost
reply to post by mikesingh



I agree that extremists of all religions twist their scriptures,but the people of Palestine have been threatened and killed,so by their own laws they have a right to defend themselves.

What they don't have a right to do is to take the lives of civilian/innocent people.


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 07:52 PM by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by John Matrix





Ok, time to get Pro Israel: Lot's of good movies here so get some popcorn:


Joseph Goebbels would be proud.


www.youtube.com...


[edit on 7-1-2009 by ProfEmeritus]


reply posted on 7-1-2009 @ 10:05 PM by Leo Strauss
reply to post by TheStev



It is working have you seen the maps posted earlier in this thread and many others...the actual sq footage is growing. I believe that is why Israel chooses their moments. This is another moment before the incoming Obama administration to grab a little land.

US out of Israel. No money, no weapons! The US is not Israel let them fight their own wars!


reply posted on 8-1-2009 @ 03:15 AM by NYCMedic
1) We all reside on the same damned planet.
2) The more things change, the more they stay the same.
3) These wars have been going on since history has been written
4) You would think we would ALL learn and move on.

I decided to look at research text that was "older" in an effort to obtain (untainted by recent events) information.

THE OUTLINE OF HISTORY Part II by H.G. Wells.

www.ibiblio.org...

Feel free to read it. I saw this in there which is just snippets.


Near Medina was a castle of Jews, against whom Muhammad was already incensed because of their disrespect or his theology. They had shown a disposition to side with the probable victor in this last struggle, and Muhammad now fell upon- them, slew all the men, nine hundred of them, and enslaved the women and children. Possibly many of their late allies were among the bidders for these slaves. Never again after this quaint failure did Mecca make an effective rally against Muhammad, and one by one its leading men came over to his side.

Thereafter his power extended, there were battles, treacheries, massacres; but on the whole he prevailed, until he was master of all Arabia; and when he was master of all Arabia in 632, at the age of sixty-two, he died.

Throughout the concluding eleven years of his life after the Hegira, there is little to distinguish the general conduct of Muhammad from that of any other welder of peoples into a monarchy. The chief difference is his use of a religion of his own creation as his cement. He was diplomatic, treacherous, ruthless, or compromising as the occasion required and as any other Arab king might have been in his place; and there was singularly little spirituality in his kingship. Nor was his domestic life power and freedom one of exceptional edification. Until the death of Kadija, when he was fifty, he seems to have been the honest husband of one wife; but then, as many men do in their declining years, he developed a disagreeably strong interest in women.

These are salient facts in these last eleven years of Muhammad's career. Because he, too, founded a great religion, there are those who write of this evidently lustful and rather shifty leader as though he were a man to put beside Jesus of Nazareth or Gautama or Mani. But it is surely manifest that he was a being of a commoner clay; he was vain egotistical, tyrannous, and a self-deceiver; and it would throw all our history out of proportion if, out of an insincere deference to the possible Moslem reader, we were to present him in any other light.


They have been doing the same stupid fighting and killing before history was written. Islam itself is hypocrisy . . . along with many other religions.

Religion to me has to be one of Mankinds worst inventions. If we were to stop repeating the same stupid mistakes we have been doing since we began walking upright, things would be a whole lot better.

Remember the Alamo?
Could you imagine if Mexico wanted Texas back?
(Well . . . they sorta have.)

EDIT: Holy @#$%! I just saw some of those Vids.
The "Eight and final war is coming!" Yeah . . . let us all make 2012 happen.
I am going to the UFO section of this forum to see if I can get a lift OFF this crazy freakin planet.

[edit on 8-1-2009 by NYCMedic]
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