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I’m Sick Of The Anti Israel Sentiment Here On ATS!

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posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 04:00 AM
reply to post by NYCMedic

"Religion to me has to be one of Mankinds worst inventions"


Murder is a worse 'invention'.

posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 10:59 AM

Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by NYCMedic

"Religion to me has to be one of Mankinds worst inventions"


Murder is a worse 'invention'.

Please Exuberant1
If you are going to continue to post your one line snips of my posts, then PLEASE, do not make your replies part of quotes from me. I thank you in advance for you not doing that.
I am sorry you are “DISGUSTED!”.
That is the problem with many.
“Imagine” (No religion too) John Lennon gets shot in the back . . . sad.

I'll repeat myself in another way, it is time for many too attempt to take the blinders off. Try to remember history, and try like hell not to repeat it.
The conflict in the Middle East is because certain people are “Different” and they do not “Believe” like the others do.
It is not over land, which many can “Peacefully Share”. (I said Peacefully) Land is just an excuse.

Near Medina was a castle of Jews, against whom Muhammad was already incensed because of their disrespect or his theology. They had shown a disposition to side with the probable victor in this last struggle, and Muhammad now fell upon- them, slew all the men, nine hundred of them, and enslaved the women and children.

This was around 600 AD. You would think it is time they stopped?

It would make my job a lot easier as a Medic if people worked things out more. However, things are becoming much worse.
Unfortunately, I see little hope that mankind will avoid a major catastrophe in the near future.
I see indications that things will spill over to Iran. Some now are talking about attacking Iran to end a threat. Many of the proverbial chess pieces are already in place.
If that happens, many others will get involved . . . many others with Nukes.
So, Like Exuberant1 who is “DISGUSTED!”, many will see that a final “once and for all!” conflict is the only answer.
And that would be bad for all of us.

posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 08:00 PM
The "war on terror" is in actuality a WAR TO CREATE TERROR and extremely successful it is too.Just ask yourself;if you were unfortunate enough to be a Palestinian,or an Iraqi,or an Afghani or any one of millions of Muslims living in Western sponsored/controlled countries,


Iraq totally destroyed,demoralised.Afghanistan ditto.Palestine occupied by foreign invaders and the original inhabitants subjected to endless genocide,humiliation and degradation.Palestinian resistance fighters are referred to as "militants".You're a militant for resisting the occupier of YOUR OWN COUNTRY ? That's how poisoned and twisted the Jewish occupied western media are.

The last time the Jews ran a country OVERTLY was Bolshevik Russia and what followed,


The Rothschilds ripped off the Tsar's wealth-billions in today's money along with billions more as the poor Russian people were left to rot in the hell of this Jewish nightmare.

We have to accept that Jewish supremacist RACISM is the most dangerous force in the world today and they are undoubtedly bent on world domination
which is all but a fait accompli.YOU STUPID GOYS ! Instead of being cowed by that ultimate slur-anti-Semitism,steps SHOULD HAVE BEEN TAKEN to
neuter this palpable and insidious threat.Now,of course it is too late ! Welcome to the vast prison that this vermin is now shepherding us all into. I am delighted that I am nearing the end of my life and probably won't see
The JUDENREICH in all it's undescribable horror and I certainly won't be reincarnating on this planet,if I've got any choice in the matter.Somewhere
where there aren't any Jews would be perfect !

posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 08:40 PM
reply to post by NYCMedic

Unfortunately, I see little hope that mankind will avoid a major catastrophe in the near future. I see indications that things will spill over to Iran. Some now are talking about attacking Iran to end a threat. Many of the proverbial chess pieces are already in place. If that happens, many others will get involved . . . many others with Nukes. So, Like Exuberant1 who is “DISGUSTED!”, many will see that a final “once and for all!” conflict is the only answer. And that would be bad for all of us.

A star for your post. Those are very wise words. It's good to see someone who understands that we all live on the same planet, and have to share it with each other.
BTW, my hats off to you as a NYC Medic.

posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 09:21 PM

Originally posted by RFBurns
From a neutral prospective, both are wrong, both are the cause of their own demise, and both are responsible for what is to come. Plain and simple.

You cannot ignore the history as to why these two peoples began clashing and continue to do so. It is at the very core of why they continue to fight each other.

Thats the problem with most these days. They do not want to look at the whole story, just the bits and pieces to fit their point of view and support for which ever side they happen to be on.

At this point it really doesnt matter anymore, both are gonna fight, both are gonna kill innocent civilians, and both are gonna wind up loosing brownie points from the world prospective.

Two wrongs never made a right and never will, nor does two wrongs deserve any sympathy for their wrong doing.


[edit on 5-1-2009 by RFBurns]

I can see taking a neutral perspective for an academic discussion, but...
Were you neutral when 8,000 rockets and mortars flew into Israel in the last couple of years?
Were you neutral when Cambodia created the killing fields?
Were you neutral when Serbia conducted ethnic cleansing?
Are you neutral about Darfur?
Were you neutral about segregation?
Are you always neutral about evil?

posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 10:00 PM
reply to post by mystiq

thank you my dear, there has only been one veto in the united nations in the last few days and that has the USA, so the bloodshed continues, i am so angry that i cannnot talk

posted on Jan, 8 2009 @ 11:02 PM
To RFBurns
I understand what you imply and you meant well. You to are "disgusted", as are many. (As you can see from a reply to your post).

We people here can do little. Me, all I do is plug holes in those already shot. I can not stop the guns from flowing into the hands of teens, I can't stop the gangs from killing each other, I can't stop the drug dealers . . .

I am not disgusted however. What happens will happen. I have to live my life and try like hell to do it well & good. I try not to do those things that make people "disgusted". That would make me a hypocrit, my least favorite person I wish to encounter.

It seems to be in our collective nature to off ourselves. I see it every day in just about every flavor you can dish out. In my opinion, it is not going to get better. We are headed to a bottle neck . . . the mass killing of many humans on this planet. That is why I came to this forum.

There are many here that have certain beliefs about some strange things. Fine with me. However, there are a few who see things and report them - from all around the globe. That is what I search for here. Read between the lines on some but I do gather information here. I get to paint a bigger picture in my mind . . . and it don't look good.

Glaciers almost gone as we burn the Amazon rain forest to make room for even more people as China burns coal and looks with envy at Russian resources that are now making Russia pound its chest again and gather the same group of Mis-fits to form a new block of communists who are being A-holes so other countries are forced to rebel like cutting gas delivery which makes it easy for Russia to roll out the Tanks once again and the UN will complain and whine but nothing can be done so the US sends more troops and resources that we pay even more for and we go another Trillion into dept as the manufacturers of war products become richer and with extremely poor global economy people become used to 13 year old hookers who sell drugs to support their newborn as we import more tainted baby products from some other country because we out-sourced most of our domestic production as fishing trawlers destroy reefs and over fish so species become extinct and we breed more livestock that farts Methane and huddle them closer together so more infectious disease become prevalent as we feed them cheap out-sourced food that is tainted with Mad cow disease so people can spend $5.99 on a Happy meal and complain they can't fit into their pants any more so they stay on the sofa and watch American Idol and turn the TV off when the news comes on because it is the same old crap every day . . . Pheew.

So, unless we as a race of people all hold hands and sing koom-bye-ya around the camp fire immediately . . .
. . . We are friggen doomed.


posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 02:11 AM
reply to post by mikesingh

I think you must read and see what the real jews say
WORDS OF Theodor Hertzel (the father of zionism) and Other Zionist Leaders

Theodor HertzlThe term "Zionism" was first introduced in 1893 by Nathan Birmbaum, but Theodor Hertzel, an Austrian Jew born to a prosperous, emancipated Budapest family, is recognized as the founder of the Zionist idealogy when he published his book in 1896, "The Jewish State", where he declared that the cure for anti-semitism was the establishment of a Jewish state. As he saw it, the best place to establish this state was in Palestine.

While Hertzel claimed that the establishment of a "Jewish" state would cure anti-Semitism, he also promoted anti-Semitism to further his cause.

Quotes from Hertzel and other Zionists demonstrate their philosophy and the lengths to which they are willing to go to accomplish their goals:

In the diary of Hertzel, page 14, he writes a way to solve the problem of anti-Semitism was to speak to the head priest of Vienna to get an appointment with the Pope, to make a mass conversion of all the Jews of Austria to Catholicism. He continues: "It should be done on a Sunday, in the middle of the day, with music, and pride, publicly. We are the last generation that held on to the faith of our for-fathers. The conversion would be in St. Stephen's Cathedral." (How could you honor a Jew that wanted to abolish Judaism?)
In the bi-weekly diary, "Temurah", no.2, pg. 12-13, "I didn't circumsize my son Hans, and this will bring the Geula closer."
Ibid. "Simple goyim are better than Rabbis, and the highest are the goyish priests."
In his article "Deutche Tsytung newspaper" Hertzel writes: "The Jews make countries fight each other and when they want, make peace. But whatever happens, they get rich from this." (Hitler said this also).
Diary, page 16: "Antisemitism helps to build this kind of jew, Education that will bring to assimilation."
Diary, page 68: "An idea rose on my heart to bring on anti-Semitism and to obliterate Jewish wealth.
In the book "Hertzel", this is a quote: "I bless every jew that converts to Christianity and my son, the sooner the better, to save him from anti-Semitism.
After the Dreyfus affair, Hertzel saw the engraned jew hatred and that the goyim would not accept the jews with open arms, then he came up with Zionism, after being convinced by the British goyim on the land of Israel. He himself originally wanted other lands, one of them being Argentina.
In his book, "Altnoyland", "its understood that I have to remember (or mention) to discard negative Jewish things, like the Yiddish language and observing mitzvos."
Doctor Amnun Raz Kavkotzikin -- historian at the University of Ben Gurion says: "The country of Hertzel is a western European anti-eastern (Sephardic) and anti-religious."
Chaim Chassas, in the newspaper of the Zionist's, Ha'Arutz, 1943, "Zionism and Judaismm is not one thing but two different things. And of course two contradicting one another. Zionism starts at the place where Judaism is thing is certain, Zionism is not a continuation or healing of wounded Judaism, but rather an uprooting."
Doctor Tom Shagav, historian and newspaper writer, "Zionism saw itself as competition as to religion, to define a jew without torah. A Zionist could be a jew without any faith, even a Kofer."
Doctor Faul Shaul Landau, the personal secretary of Hertzel, saw to it that all of Hertzel's writings were published against the will of the other Zionists who feared the open anti-Semitic element of his writings.
Zev Japotinsky in his article "Outside the camp", in the newspaper "Chadashot HaAretz" 22/10/1919: "In the national home we will announce that those Jews who have on themselves the rust of Gulles, and deny to shave off their beards and payos will be 2nd class citizens and will not have the right to vote."
Ben Gurion, in his book "Yehudi ve' od", "The disapora is ending and everyone is coming, this still does not make a nation but a mixed multitude and dust of man, without a language and education, without roots. To change dust of man to a cultured nation is not an easy job."
Ben Gurion: "If I could save all the children of Germany by bringing them to England and only half to Israel, I would choose the second."
Yoel Bronde/Eichman offered him a deal to save a million jews for money and the Sochnute decided not to, and they were murdered.
Wusshishkin, head of the Jewish National Fund in the 1920's (there is a street named after him in Jerusalem), "What's the difference between Jews getting killed in the diaspora and the land of israel? They [of the disapora] are sacrifices of a dying nation. There was no purpose in their death, just like there was no purpose in their life. Not so with the sacrifices in our land, we look at them with pride."
Yitzchak Greenbaum, Zionist responsible for saving Jews in World War Two, and later Minister of the Interior under Ben Gurion, "Concerning using communal money to save the Jews, no and no and no. Zionism comes first."
Chaim Wiessman, first president "I want to save two million youth, the elders will be lost and await for what's coming to them. They are economic dust in a cruel world. Just a branch of the youth will remain, the old ones have to work with this, and make peace with it.
Holphany Heartglass, who later became the minister of interior under Ben Gurion writes in 1956 guidelines for the counselors, on how to deal with the Yemenites who came and were religious. "It's understood that our intention is to bring them to the realization that their faith in hashem is without sense, etc...and it does not have a right to exist." He writes further: "it's better to save 10,000 that can build a country, even though we can save a million, but it won't benefit the country. We have to let them go and not to save those who are not Zionists, we causes demoralizatoin and not to save the harmful element."
A former Sachnut worker, Yigal ben dovid, witness and testifies: "a special agent from the Zionists in the land of Israel came to Europe to see that only their people were saved. Selection, a few mizrachi and revisionsalists (from japotinsky) and no charadim at all." All this was taken from the disc "Hertzel and the Zionists" From Rabbi Amnon Yitzchak.
On the tape "why do they hate charadim?" he brings from Hertzel's diary "The Rabbi should be locked up in the Synagogues, the country has its own culture."
Twelve times Hertzel is in the sofe tevos of pesukim, but always backwards. And all the pesukim talk about the land of Israel, because Herzel backwards is "latzara". Only once is his name written straight, in the sofe tevos, in the book of shmuel, "it wasn't good", the advice which achitovel advised.
1996, newspaper "Mahariv", written by Amir Ben Dovid, "Hertzel visited the prostitution houses of Vienna and desired young girls. He also had a December tree at his home."
Uri Avnari, present Israeli journalist, went through all the writings of Hertzel, and he brings down that Hertzel endorsed "mass intermarriage", was against democracy, but rather a republic, where a prince is elected for life, and he appoints the government. (Of course, Hertzel himself wanted to be the ruler). Would rather not to have been born Jewish, but to an old Prussian family.
Hertzel was not a good father, did not have a close relationship with his children, or anyone, except his mother (his son Hanz committed suicide). His daughter Polina died from drugs in those years. His daughter, Trudy, went out of her mind. His only grandchild jumped off the Washington bridge, suicide. Nothing is left from Hertzel. His daughters were sent to learn by the Christians, Hertzel was haughty, filthy, hated himself and his Jewishness. This is all written by an American reporter by the name of Powell.
The Zionists used Judaism as a way to lure the Jews over to them... just like the Christian missionaries, on the one hand, they tried to sell a redemption of the ages, that all the jews in history are waiting for a

posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 02:14 AM
reply to post by theindependentjournal

Pleasez read what the true jews say
May our words be pleasing to the Creator and cause His Great Name to be sanctified.

Assalaam Aleikhum:

The world stands aghast as the atrocities being committed by the Zionist regime in Gaza, becomes known in ever greater and shocking detail.

Mere words are insufficient to express the pain that all mankind feels at the plight of the Gaza and Palestinian people.

For over one hundred years, they have been subject to a carefully conceived plan, to drive them from their homes and their land.

Throughout their history, the Zionists have resorted to intimidation, war, ethnic cleansing and state—sponsored terrorism to achieve their goals.

This is, has been and continues to be, the criminal agenda of the Zionist movement. But among this movement’s greatest crimes, is that it has claimed to carry out these nefarious actions in the name of holiness, in the name of the Almighty, in the name of Judaism and the Jewish people !!

This is a wicked and monstrous lie !!

It is a desecration of our religion !!

Judaism forbids and rejects Zionism and the existence of the State of “Israel”. We have been expressly commanded by the Almighty that we are forbidden to have our own sovereignty in this heavenly decreed exile, we are also forbidden to rebel against any nation. Torah believing Jews, under the leadership of the most esteemed rabbis of the 20th century have always opposed and fought against Zionism and ultimately the State of “Israel”.

Unfortunately in recent years the Zionists have succeed in seducing and co—opting members of the religious community and some rabbis into support of not allowing the return of the rightful owners, the Palestinian people, to their land, by fear mongering, by appealing to their worst fears, that there is a religious conflict and that the Arabs always have had an ingrained hate for the Jews. Especially, they claim, that because of the many years of the existence of the State of “Israel”, if the Palestinians where to return to their land, they would massacre the Jews, may the Almighty protect us.

Anyone familiar with the ploys and techniques of the Zionist State is aware of this fact.

Before the advent of Zionism, Muslims and Christian, Arabs and Jews, lived peacefully together in the Holy Land, as in all the Muslim lands, — Ask your grandparents! — They remember those peaceful days! And in fact it is here the opportune time to thank all the Muslim countries for their extraordinary friendship, hospitality and safe haven that they have provided to the Jewish people throughout the ages!

The Zionists rely on the Bible, the Torah, for their imaginary right to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian people and to subjugate them. This is a pathetic joke! The Zionists have always been heretics and rejected all the fundamental tenets of our faith, and yet they have the nerve, the arrogance, the audacity, the chutzpa, to pretend to base their behavior on our holy Torah.

We know what our holy writings and our great rabbis have taught us — that we are forbidden to subjugate or oppress anyone or to desecrate the holiness of the Holy Land with paths of violence, ethnic cleansing, discrimination and military power. Our religion teaches justice. It teaches peace. It teaches compassion. In fact, the greatest and ultimate hope and prayer of the Jewish people is, that when the Messiah comes that then “Nation shall no longer lift up sword against nation, and they will make war no more.” All nations will serve God together in peace.

To the governments of the world, it is not through your support of the Zionist regime — the State of “Israel”, that the Jewish people are being helped! On the contrary, this tragic historical mistake has led to the killing of Arabs and Jews alike. The governments of the great powers, by supporting the State of “Israel” are not only harming the Palestinian people but they are also unwittingly contributing to the growth of hostility towards Jews worldwide!

To our Jewish brethren, we beg! Do not be intimidated by ruthless Zionist bullying and violence!! — Proclaim loudly and clearly your outrage, pain and sympathy for the people of Gaza and that those who show contempt for the Torah, the teachings of our rabbis, and disregard the ethical and moral basics of our faith, have no right to speak on behalf of the Jewish People or Judaism!

We must tell the world that self rule, sovereignty and ALL the rights of the Palestinian people, must be restored throughout historic Palestine! This is a requirement of Jewish ethics and values! Jewish justice demands the return of the Palestinian refugees to their homes, towns, villages and cities throughout Palestine! Tell the world, loudly and clearly, that you support Palestinian statehood over the ENTIRE Holy Land —— not despite your Jewish identity, but because of it.

To our Islamic brethren – let us speak up for the people of Gaza and please do not judge the Jewish faith or its people, on the basis of this passing lunacy of Zionism. The Jews have always been your friends and cousins. Do not allow your understandable anger to be directed at those who are innocent of wrongdoing, regardless of whether they reside in Occupied Palestine, Europe, or anywhere around the globe.

Together, people of all nations, may we be worthy, with God’s help, speedily and peacefully, without further suffering and bloodshed of anyone, be it Arab or Jew, to witness the peaceful end of the Zionist occupation over every inch of Palestine.

And may we yet merit to see, in the very near future, the revelation of the One God, over the entire world, with all mankind in His servitude, in joyous brotherhood.


Let’s Proclaim Together:

posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 07:22 AM
The more the zionist try to rule the world and to slaughter people in gaza, the more they will turn the world against Israel and inflame anti jew feelings. I fear that this conflict in Gaza will soon esculate to involve both Syria and Iran.

posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 07:47 AM
It's becoming increasingly obvious that people are not able to separate Jewish from Israel in this massacre.

I just don't get it.

It's a nation that is doing this.
One country is pounding on a bunch of already impoverished refugees, deliberately attacking UN aid workers and convoys, deliberately firing on UN schools and places where they know civilians are sheltering, leaving children to starve beside the bodies of their dead families.

It's not the Jewish religion doing this. It is Israel.

Just as it's no religion firing rockets out of Gaza, it's Hamas.

This is going to become worse if people insist on bringing religion into this over and over. Regardless of personal views on any religion, it is a government doing this.

ISRAEL should be charged with war crimes. America should be condemned for refusing to utter a word against these atrocities. Britain should be embarrassed for being so weak in statement and effort. The UN is, well, just as usual the UN is a neutered forum wasting money on meetings and pointless resolutions that mean absolutely nothing.

This is only going to get worse, and all of our leaders are to blame, most of all America and Israel.

posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 11:34 AM
Well said detachedindividual. That's exactly how it is. The Israeli government think they are above the law and the way the UN behaves is truly beyond belief, just allowing these criminals to commit what ever crimes they like without being brought to justice. They are not just a threat to the middle east, these sociopaths are a threat to the entire world.

"Let us not ignore the truth among ourselves ... politically we are the aggressors and they defend themselves... The country is theirs, because they inhabit it, whereas we want to come here and settle down, and in their view we want to take away from them their country."
-- David Ben Gurion, quoted on pp 91-2 of Chomsky's Fateful Triangle, which appears in Simha Flapan's "Zionism and the Palestinians pp 141-2 citing a 1938 speech.

"If I knew that it was possible to save all the children of Germany by transporting them to England, and only half by transferring them to the Land of Israel, I would choose the latter, for before us lies not only the numbers of these children but the historical reckoning of the people of Israel."
-- David Ben-Gurion

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin

"The Partition of Palestine is illegal. It will never be recognized .... Jerusalem was and will for ever be our capital. Eretz Israel will be restored to the people of Israel. All of it. And for Ever."
-- Menachem Begin

"The settlement of the Land of Israel is the essence of Zionism. Without settlement, we will not fulfill Zionism. It's that simple."
-- Yitzhak Shamir, Maariv,

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"If we thought that instead of 200 Palestinian fatalities, 2,000 dead would put an end to the fighting at a stroke, we would use much more force...."
-- Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
-- Ariel Sharon

"Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial."

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001

The hatred & arrogance of the Israeli government truly runs deep. These are people you can not reason with.

[edit on 9-1-2009 by kindred]

posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 11:37 AM
reply to post by detachedindividual

Yep, well said there.

posted on Jan, 9 2009 @ 12:09 PM
Hamas in in Israel's payroll, it desn't take a genius to work that out...and can anyone honestly look at Israel in a positive light? It was created solely to stir up a hornet's nest in the Middle East by the 'Allies' after WWII and has done nothing but create tension for the entire world, and it will continue doing so until the world demands that this illegal state voluntarily desintegrates itself. I couldn't log in btw but my username is Travels. Stick that on your database...

posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 02:38 AM
I don't know all the details, but I seem to understand that Israel is fighting in Gaza because of the Hamas. They got into another fight, what's new? They're surrounded on three sides by hostiles, any time that has happened to me, I attacked the first one that moved as aggressively as possible. I can't say that I think that it's right what they're doing, since I haven't done my research, I'll do that and get back to you with whether or not I think they're doing the right thing. I'm saying that I understand the thinking of whoever instigated the move on Gaza.
I have to say that my thinking is extremely biased on this one, I don't usually speak with bias, but if there is a threat, you eliminate it.
If this threat is only a perceived one, than I understand why people think it's wrong.
Islam extremists? There's more of those in the Middle east than grains of sand. Once again, what's new? Terrorism of one sort or another is going to happen until the race dies out. Whether it's by Israel or Hamas, that makes little difference, it's still happening, people are still dying.

posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 03:44 AM

Originally posted by RaDios
Most of the people I've had discussions with are trying to be all sophisticated and 'neutral'. They seem to have an aversion to anything absolute (ie. good and evil).

Being neutral is more intuitive to all things around you, both good and evil. I cant think of a better position to be able to see the whole picture.

Originally posted by RaDios
They negate the evil of Hammas by trying to say that Israel is wrong too.

Wrong. The neutral prospective allows one to see both the good and evil in both Israel and Hamas.

Originally posted by RaDios
Maintaining neutrality is lazy and does not require critical thinking.

Wrong again. In this situation between Israel and Hamas, knowing both reasons and purposes takes more critical thinking than just going where the wind blows and picking sides, that in itself IS being lazy.

Maintaining neutrality is maintaining a balance, an open prospective to see, hear and know ALL aspects of this conflict.

Why use just half your brain when you can use the whole.

As I said from page 1, very first reply to this thread. Both are going to fight, both are going to kill innocents, and both will loose respect of the world. It may be that the only resolve to the conflict, is mutual distruction.

If that is their choice, then that is the fate they have made for themselves.

Just leave the innocents out of it, on both sides.


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posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 04:58 PM
Israel commits terrible war crimes. Humanitarian aid and UN can not remain there safely. Yes there are always civilian casualties but its not the ocasional accidents that are happening here,. Israel is capable of avoiding most of the innocent deaths but chooses not to.
When the Israel army block the Red cross from atending to starving children by forcing Red cross to use hand carts to move injured for no reason but to punish civilians it is not acceptible.

With great power comes great responsibility.

Just think bck to the NAZI's and ask yourself if you accept there goals were more important than jewish lives? Well now Israel is attacking civilians in their homeland and putting Israels goals before civilian life. I want to protect both.

posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 05:13 PM
For those that have not heard of Brother Nathanael Kapner, you might want to visit his website. He has a lot to say about what is going on now. He was raised Jewish, but converted to the Orthodox Church, and he has a great deal of inside knowledge regarding the workings of Israel:

posted on Jan, 10 2009 @ 05:22 PM
If you have used the term "Zionism" please define it here:

There seems to be some possible confusion

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