Irony?

This discussion was opened to expose "irony" on an internal investigation, IMO a news item that is hardly worthy of reproduction except by those who are still very bitter over the fact that Obama won.

You want Irony, forget the obvious agendas and simply look at how it has gone from the original subject and agenda driven spin to the use of emergency generators by Obama.

Did you really expect otherwise? This is hardly news or surprising. It was expected. This is a big deal why?

Gotta go with BH on this one. This looks like another situation where no matter what Obama did, there would be a post on here going, "OMG CHANGE?!?! I DON'T THINK SO!"

More "Change" that we can believe in.

He is certainly offering all of us "hope".

We can certainly see that his willingness to eliminate insider politics as usual and change the way business gets done in Washington.

Truth be told, I want Obama to be a successful President - this country is in dire need of him to be successful. But, so far, I'm not holding out much hope. This is likely to degrade into a world-class sitcom of epic proportions. I can hear the laugh track already.

Ooops, I guess I'm a racist now.

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Gotta go with BH on this one. This looks like another situation where no matter what Obama did, there would be a post on here going, "OMG CHANGE?!?! I DON'T THINK SO!"

Kind of like the countless posts on this site where no matter what President Bush did he is a war mongor who is trying to destroy America.

President Bush is leaving office paving way for Obama and his sheeple.

Sheeple is what you guys call those who are pro Bush right?

Originally posted by FlyersFan
THE POINT IS - it is dirty politics as usual when everyone else does it. When Obama does it, it is not only dirty politics as usual but ALSO an ironic joke because his entire campaign theme was 'change' ... and obviously this isn't change. It is nothing more than politics as usual.

I understand your opinion. I just disagree with it.

What I DON'T understand is why we cannot disagree without you and others calling names like hypocrite, disciple, sheeple and so on. That DETRACTS and DEFLECTS from the issue we are supposed to be discussing.

On topic:

I don't see "dirty politics" just because someone conducts an internal investigation. That, IN ITSELF, is not indicative of dirty politics or anything else. That's your assumption.

Churches, businesses, charity organizations, all conduct internal investigations. Maybe because there's been a complaint, or because someone got hurt, or they became involved in a lawsuit or someone broke the law. Internal Investigation DOES NOT equal "dirty politics". An internal investigation cannot absolve someone of guilt. That's ridiculous.

Obama and his team are associated with Blagojevich. That doesn't mean they are guilty of anything, just that there's an association via Obama's Senate seat. So, naturally, they are being investigated by the FBI and the federal prosecutor to ascertain their level of association and involvement (if any) in Blago's scandal.

In addition, Obama has conducted an Internal Investigation to ascertain that level of association and involvement to report his finding to the people, because he has promised transparency. That's the change. NOT to absolve himself! He cannot do that. But to tell us what he found.

I don't expect you to see change because you are so set against the man, or to agree with me on my opinion, but to resort to name calling because we disagree is nothing but deflection.

Originally posted by jd140
I have been told that I should feel ashamed for voting for Bush.
I have been told that I was a mindless sheeple for agreeing with the war.
I have been told that I was a mindless sheeple for not thinking Bush is a war mongor.

Shoes on the other foot and you don't like it. Get used to it, you reap what you sow.

No need for shame over voting for Obama, I didn't vote for him.

Obama has not started a war, nor any real policy that would cause anyone to be "mindless sheeple" by supporting him.

If you take a moment perhaps you can see that Obama is NOT even in office yet and look at the # storm his election is already starting.

If you take a centrist position if for only this moment perhaps you will at least get a peek at the true agenda here.

Originally posted by jd140
Now that Obama is the next President you want everyone to calm down and have intelligent conversations without the name calling?

Well, I've always wanted intelligent discussion. And frankly, I don't care if you call Obama names. I may debate with you about it, but I have nothing against you criticizing Obama. It's healthy. He's government. I'm talking about calling OTHER MEMBERS names. I'm AGAINST that.

I'm sure Semper will find some posts of mine where I criticized Bush, because I did my part and MORE, but only after he did something in office that I disagreed with. In fact, hopefully Semper will find some of my posts where I talked about supporting the war AND Bush before I found out about the lies he told us to take us to war. Because I flew my flag every day and teared up at Bush's patriotic speeches and argued with my family because they were all against the war and Bush.

So, you're barking up the wrong tree.

I have been told that I should feel ashamed for voting for Bush.
I have been told that I was a mindless sheeple for agreeing with the war.
I have been told that I was a mindless sheeple for not thinking Bush is a war mongor.

Not by me.

And I'll take it. I AM taking it. I CAN TAKE IT! I could leave these threads and not post again and ignore them, but I come back in the hopes of decent discussion. I have stuff to say! AND when people call me and other members names, I will speak out against it, just as I have spoken out against calling Obama critics "racist". Feel free to carry on. And so will I.

[edit on 27-12-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

Originally posted by Walkswithfish

Originally posted by jd140
I have been told that I should feel ashamed for voting for Bush.
I have been told that I was a mindless sheeple for agreeing with the war.
I have been told that I was a mindless sheeple for not thinking Bush is a war mongor.

Shoes on the other foot and you don't like it. Get used to it, you reap what you sow.

No need for shame over voting for Obama, I didn't vote for him.

Obama has not started a war, nor any real policy that would cause anyone to be "mindless sheeple" by supporting him.

If you take a moment perhaps you can see that Obama is NOT even in office yet and look at the # storm his election is already starting.

If you take a centrist position if for only this moment perhaps you will at least get a peek at the true agenda here.

Where have I stated I was anti Obama? I already stated I think he is innocent. You have to be a complete moron to hope a President will do a bad job just so you can say I told you so.

Like I said. What goes around comes around. Karma is a bitch. Obama supporters will need to man up and take the same medicine that Bush supporters have had to take for the past 8 years.

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic

Originally posted by jd140
Now that Obama is the next President you want everyone to calm down and have intelligent conversations without the name calling?

Well, I've always wanted intelligent discussion. And frankly, I don't care if you call Obama names. I may debate with you about it, but I have nothing against you criticizing Obama. It's healthy. He's government. I'm talking about calling OTHER MEMBERS names. I'm AGAINST that.

I'm sure Semper will find some posts of mine where I criticized Bush, because I did my part and MORE, but only after he did something in office that I disagreed with. In fact, hopefully Semper will find some of my posts where I talked about supporting the war AND Bush before I found out about the lies he told us to take us to war. Because I flew my flag every day and teared up at Bush's patriotic speeches and argued with my family because they were all against the war and Bush.

So, you're barking up the wrong tree.

I have been told that I should feel ashamed for voting for Bush.
I have been told that I was a mindless sheeple for agreeing with the war.
I have been told that I was a mindless sheeple for not thinking Bush is a war mongor.

Not by me.

And I'll take it. I AM taking it. I CAN TAKE IT! I could leave these threads and not post again and ignore them, but I come back in the hopes of decent discussion. I have stuff to say! AND when people call me and other members names, I will speak out against it. Feel free to carry on. And so will I.

Shoe is on the other foot, Obama supporters have a long 4 years. I wonder how blindly they will follow him and support him. Watch the hypocrites will start flooding this board. Not saying you. Just watch though, it is already starting. If you are against Obama it is because you are racist.