If homosexuality is such a terrible sin, why is it not in the ten commandments?

Homosexuality is widespread across ALL the animal kingdom, and bird kingdom - this is simple scientific fact.

It follows therefore, that its amongst humankind as well.

Quoting thousand year old scripture, from often backward primitives, who'd run screaming in terror from someone with a spotlight and a PA system, is hardly logical or likely to sway anyone. Neither is whining about what some mythical 'sky fairy' supposedly 'says.'

Get over your own morbid obsessive interest in other human beings sexual habits. Usually those with the most profound homophobia - are simply unable to face up to their own personal desires and urges.

The bunch of writings known as 'the bible' contain a vast amount of bizarre, cruel, and downright sadistic material. If people are wanting to be called 'christians' - then they should-

a) shut up and stop judging others
and
b) do what their jesus fellah commanded - namely 'forgive.'

If people cant stop with their small minded whining, and trying to justify their sexually obsessive curiosity about other peoples habits - then they clearly are not christians.
case closed.

Exuberant1

Didn't God make his position on homosexuality on homosexuality quite clear when he more or less nuked Soddom and Gomorrah?

A perpetuated lie by some Christians.

For more information follow the link.
[url]http://www.belowtopsecret.com/thread421738/pg1[url]



one_man24

But homosexuality is listed as fornication in the Bible. In Matthew 19:3-9, Jesus equates adultery with fornication.

Only in modern translation.They have been manipulated,with great intent,by arrogant ignorant 'believers' so that the words fit their views.

Originally posted by asmeone2
I am picking this up from anotherposter's offhand comment in another thread.

For many American christians, homosexuality seems to be the central issue in their faith. The most extreme and tired example of this is Westboro Baptist church, and Falwell blaming the gays for 9/11. There is are ongoing threads with the Pope stating he beleives homosexuality is the greatest threat mankind currently faces and that the USA, along with the confederation of Islamic nations, has refused to join the UN's call to ensure that homosexuals will not face legal bias based on the religious preferences of the majority of its citizens. And of course Prop 8 just passed, recinding the right for gays to get married in California.

It is an understatement, I think, to say that many Christians beleive that homosexuality is the m ost offensive sin, yet it is not mentioned in the 10 commandments.

I do not think that God, with the powers that are ascribed to him, would forget to list this among his top 10 offenses. In fact in the NT Jesus says the greatest commandment is to love... couldn't we lighten up on those who are just trying to love?

[edit on 23-12-2008 by asmeone2]

I would like to give kudos for this thread and OP.

While I am not a homosexual, I find it highly unlikely that Christ (or His Father for that matter) would find it so offensive, yet not include it in the "Thou Shalt Not At All Costs Do This Or You Will Burn Forever" list...

Good point. Well put.

Originally posted by screamo

As not only a Christian but as a member of the LDS (Mormon) Church, homosexuality prohibits our purpose here on earth, to replenish the earth. Homosexuality can't do that. I'm not personally against homosexuality, i don't hate homosexuals nor am i homophobic, they are people as well, and, myself not being homosexual don't fully understand their given circumstance, whether it be a "mental" issue (which i've heard from doctors on the TV too often) or it just being "the way they were born" i don't think it's our place to shun them or outcast them as a whole, we as a race must learn to accept people for who they are, help them learn and expand, we shouldn't be obstacles.

While I commend your open minded thing at the end. I do disagree with your aspect of our purpose here on earth. I have a complete life, my brother's children are close enough that I feel they are mine, I am close to family and have some of the best friends one can find. The earth is being replenished just fine without me or other gays as it always has.

Heck we have some scientists going so far as to say the planet is overcrowded and as you know we're not even taking care of all the people that are already here. The lady up the street has 10 children so I let her take up my slack on that. Poor thing looks like she has yanked out half her hair though.

I have no question over the realization of when I knew I was gay. I was 7. I didn't however know the name nor understand the significance of it or the controversy it caused. I had a crush on another little boy, that is the whole jist of it. My dad was a deacon in a church and a "Sunday School Teacher" at the time so it wasn't any gay influence. (The same church I described as "Westboro Baptist Light")

I did however find out as an adult that most of the men on my mom's side of the family were either gay or bisexual. I never met these people until I was in my 20's. One of my brother's is bisexual. The other is straight.









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Hi there,
Oh but is there. Slightly above the ten number. Between 11 & 140

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That was beautiful. Didn't relaize how much I needed a good laugh.

religion itself is not at fault, its the conception of religion, that humans have created, that is the problem.

Don't insult God, he figured we would be smart enough to follow the law of nature in this area.

But the account of Lot and Sodom & Gomorrah should clear that up for you.

Genesis 18

20And the Lord said, Because the shriek [of the sins] of Sodom and Gomorrah is great and their sin is exceedingly grievous,
21I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether [as vilely and wickedly] as is the cry of it which has come to Me; and if not, I will know.
22Now the [two] men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord.
23And Abraham came close and said, Will You destroy the righteous (those upright and in right standing with God) together with the wicked?
24Suppose there are in the city fifty righteous; will You destroy the place and not spare it for [the sake of ] the fifty righteous in it?
25Far be it from You to do such a thing--to slay the righteous with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as do the wicked! Far be it from You! Shall not the Judge of all the earth execute judgment and do righteously?....

32And he said, Oh, let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again only this once. Suppose ten [righteous people] shall be found there. And [the Lord] said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

Genesis 19

"1 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 "My lords," he said, "please turn aside to your servant's house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning."
"No," they answered, "we will spend the night in the square."
3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, "Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them."
6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don't do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof."
9 "Get out of our way," they replied. And they said, "This fellow came here as an alien, and now he wants to play the judge! We'll treat you worse than them." They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door.
10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door."


Not only were they homosexuals they were homosexuals that didn't take no, they were they absolute worst type of homosexuals, the type that rape other heterosexual men.

Disagree with the bible, say it isn't true, say it isn't from God. But you can't say it's not in the bible, when it clearly is.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33

Disagree with the bible, say it isn't true, say it isn't from God. But you can't say it's not in the bible, when it clearly is.

Well I can say it's not in there much. It's not in the ten commandments, and minus mistranslations and alterations, it's not much covered elsewhere either.

Kinda makes you think 'what's the big deal?'

Originally posted by crmanager
reply to post by asmeone2

 

You start your blantanly agressive post by saying Christians belive that Homosexuality is the worst sin.

That is simply wrong. As wrong as saying "All gays belive... and all Asians believe that."

Bull. It is the Christian right that blocked gay marriage in California and it is the Christian right that continues to fight it. While not all Christians may feel the same, there is NO denying that they are the ones blocking gay rights.

However, while they preach about how evil it is, they aren't out fighting for laws that make it illegal to be jealous of your neighbor or laws that make it illegal to cheat on your wife. They are not out there making laws that say you can not lie to your parents or make a golden calf to worship on your lawn (all covered by the ten commandments). They are making something illegal that IS NOT even mentioned in the bible and banning it on false religious pretenses.

Second, Christians are just like everyone else when we are offended by behavior. We don't care what you do as long as you keep it to yourself and don't force us to agree with you.

Too bad you cant see the irony in that statement. While you say that, christians are right now writing laws that attempt to force people to agree with you.....

It is not in the 10 commandments. You are right. Anyone who says they know why is a liar and a fool.

If you follow the 10 commandments you can't go wrong. Believe in God or not.

Blah blah blah, typical brainwashed chanting.

That includes Gays. Homosexuality is NOT A SIN as the Pope JUST SAID.

BEING GAY IS NOT A SIN.

Performing gays acts is a sin because it does not propogate the species. The species dies. That is a sin.
God said, "be fruitful and multiply." When we act in ways that goes against what God says he is offended, making it a sin.

So its not a sin to be gay, its just a sin to act gay? Are you freaking serious??!?!?!?!


The story about the Lot and the travelers is NOT AN ANTI GAY MESSAGE . YOU ARE SEEING SOMETHING THAT IS NOT THERE. LOT OFFERED HIS DAUGHTERS TO THE MEN OUTSIDE BECAUSE THE STRANGE MEN WERE SUPPOSED TO BE UNDER PROTECTION AND HE DIDNT WANT TO PISS OFF GOD , NOT BECAUSE HE DIDNT WANT THEM HAVING GAY SEX.




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And what about masturbation, how much of it gets you to hell? How much for purgatory? How many condoms can u use before the dude up there decides you're to be burning in hell?
Damn it, there should be a manual of some kind, like "How to not piss off god, the stuff that are not in 10 commandments, but could get you in trouble", or some shorter title.

watch history of the world
www.youtube.com...

it might have been

reply to post by asmeone2


read romans. yes, its not in the ten commandments but it sure is in the bible. plus, when the new testament was made, it put an end to the old testament

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Blue_Jay33, there are many, very sound answers to your post on the previous page...Please read.

Originally posted by MatrixProphet
Regardless, it is a tool to divide the masses and create more hatred and prejudice.

Same way as Christianity is the tool you also use for your hatred and division and accusations and prejudices right?


For the record; True believers Do not hate others at all, regardless of who they are or what orientation they've chosen. I will speak for myself that I do not approve of the act of homosexuality because it is unnatural and the only way to flee from that particular act is to repent which means walking away from whatever is driving the person to be with another person of the same gender. I sympathize with homosexual people, because I'm not that way, have never walked in their shoes and can only fathom that it must be at the top of the list of sins most difficult to flee from, thus is why it is deemed an abomination and a great portion of the Harlot Babylon/hence confusion.

So as per the OT; no it is not upon the ten commandments because it is considered 1) an abomination and 2) Lawless (hence outside the law/commands)

I'm not exactly sure why most of you who state "Christians hate gays" ect do not see that it is the hatred in yourselves causing you to say on one hand it is so terrible for a "Christian" to not approve of a homosexual person, yet in the same breath you're not approving of a Christians decision based on the Word of the Almighty. What you can't seem to acknowledge is the hypocrisy in your own judgment(s). It's as saying to your own two children; one of you is allowed to watch TV but the other one is forbidden. You will have some confused faces no doubt, as you have in the world at large.

For a more bold understanding you are saying...It's OK to be gay but not Christian. So my question to anyone reading is why would you chose sin over God? Ask yourself and who has implanted your mind to think this way.

reply to post by Elisha4Yah


Yea mate, sure. Because varying sexual orientations long predated christianity. Likely it has existed for millions of millions of years.

So as per the OT; no it is not upon the ten commandments because it is considered 1) an abomination and 2) Lawless (hence outside the law/commands)

Abomination? Against what? Nature I suspect you'd say. Cept that it is nature that produces it. It is hard wired into our very beings, so it's not something you can 'work on' in hopes of reversing.

reply to post by Elisha4Yah


While I respect your right to express your opinion - I must say, I have not seen a post containing so many blatant assumptions and ignorant generalizations in a while.

In a single post you claim to know what ALL true believers think and feel. Later, having admitted to not understanding what it's like to be homosexual, you presume, on our behalf, that all we need to do is "walk away" from it! As though it's really just that easy (or even possible).

Then you go on to say it is we homosexuals who are harboring hatred towards Christians for believing in the Word of God...I will have you know that I am a homosexual and I am also a Christian, and I certainly don't hate myself.

Let's try not to presume anything about anyone, and their particular condition, unless we have some facts to support our position.

~Peace



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reply to post by Elisha4Yah

True believers do in fact hate. They blanket and cherry pick from a mistranslated old book to support their hate then tell the person what he/she goes through is false and to turn off what is ingrained like a light switch.

If it is so easy, do show the way since you seem to be so enlightened about why people are gay. Should I marry a female and vomit whenever we have intercourse? Should I tell her that I love her even though I never really will?

These backwards religions have so much blood on their hands it isn't even a laughing matter. They are the epitome of dangerous and delusional. They hold on to gays and bisexuals because there is nobody else to persecute since they have ran through nearly the entire gamut of civilization with violence and death.

And it's all done out of love!





[edit on 29/12/2008 by toochaos4u]

reply to post by Tiloke


"THE Christian right..." is a phrase right up there with "The Zionist lobby" and "The Neo-Cons"

It is a catch-all phrase for the raging lib left to throw around when they have no proof.

52% of Californians voted AGAINST prop 8 and 48% voted for it.

Unless there are 52% "The Christian Right" voters in California, which I guarantee there is not, you are blaming the wrong people.

Black, Asians, Hispanics all voted in HUGE percentages AGAINST Prop 8.

The Morman Church in California put huge amounts of money out to bring down Prop8. BUT... if no one votes for it that money is wasted.

reply to post by toochaos4u

These backwards religions have so much blood on their hands it isn't even a laughing matter.

I find it interesting to look at western (and I use that term lightly) ideals and attitudes over time in response Christian presence. Before the Roman Empire converted, Rome (and the Greeks before them) was very cool about sex, they saw it as a thing to be celebrated and non-heterosexuality was not uncommon or therefore not vilified. They liked to paint what they did on inside-walls like pornographic murals

The Greeks even utilised same-sex relationships between soldiers to make them more formidable in war, the Spartans for instance.

Then Constantine converted the empire and suddenly, among other things, sex (becoming considered "of the flesh" or human nature) was something to be refrained from. Sex outside marriage was criminal and of course people who didn't abide meet harsh punishment. To them, homosexuality was of the devil and was 'treated' as such.

Our natural side became something to resist (the "we are above common animals" mentality) which I find rather ironic as the bible does say [NIV Mark 3:24] "If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand." And that is what happened, man became divided against his very being.
I know what it is like to fight and resist oneself, mind vs body. In the end you only get sick from it as the whole system suffers.

Fortunately the western world has become more secular, and hence more intolerant of indecent and unjust discrimination against individuals. Modern discrimination against non-heterosexuality is the 'residual' presence of the dated and barbaric religious attitudes to human nature.

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