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Exactly. I, for one, don't believe in the Immaculate Teleportation. If you want to claim he was born somewhere OTHER THAN Hawaii, you'd have to be able to prove that his mother traveled out of the country at any point within the, oh, to be generous, say, 10 months prior to his birth. Show me a visa paper, a passport stamp, a ticket stub, anything that proves she left Hawaii, and you might have a case for "born elsewhere." But it's kinda hard to say he was born somewhere else if his mother never left...
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by TrueAmerican
Better question:
If the lawsuits hold any merit, why can't anyone get one to get to the discovery phase?
You want him to produce documents? Produce evidence that would make the court think this isn't all partisan bull#$*@ (which it is).
Originally posted by JoshNorton
Exactly. I, for one, don't believe in the Immaculate Teleportation. If you want to claim he was born somewhere OTHER THAN Hawaii, you'd have to be able to prove that his mother traveled out of the country at any point within the, oh, to be generous, say, 10 months prior to his birth. Show me a visa paper, a passport stamp, a ticket stub, anything that proves she left Hawaii, and you might have a case for "born elsewhere." But it's kinda hard to say he was born somewhere else if his mother never left...
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by TrueAmerican
Better question:
If the lawsuits hold any merit, why can't anyone get one to get to the discovery phase?
You want him to produce documents? Produce evidence that would make the court think this isn't all partisan bull#$*@ (which it is).
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Aermacchi
The challenge is still out there. Any "source" (blog) you can find about Obama and his eligibility, I can find a reputable source to refute it.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
No one can or will show you his birth certificate. You are a nobody, and you are not privy to viewing it. Don't like it? Go cry to your state senator. I don't care.
...allegations against Obama are unfounded and ridiculous.
Again, what do you have?
She would need a court order.
If the courts did view the case and dismiss it, you guys would still claim conspiracy because you didn't get to see the evidence.
You are a nobody, and you are not privy to viewing it. Don't like it? Go cry to your state senator. I don't care.
He produced a COLB, which is good enough to get a passport, driver’s license, and anything else you want in this country.
The state official in charge of that said she believed she could not release it even if Obama asked her to.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
No. I deduced it from the fact that no one will accept anyone else at their word.
Obama says he was born there, his staff says he was born there, everyone in Washington agrees he was born there
All of those things add to the credibility that Obama was in fact born there, but it requires you to take them all at their word since you are not privy to see the vaulted BC, nor should you be.
Don't like it? Write your senator, or just keep crying. I don't care.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Aermacchi
A fortune cookie? No. I deduced it from the fact that no one will accept anyone else at their word. Obama says he was born there, his staff says he was born there, everyone in Washington agrees he was born there, his COLB says he was born in Hawaii, factcheck.org says his COLB is valid, the State of Hawaii says his vaulted BC is legit and held by them.
All of those things add to the credibility that Obama was in fact born there, but it requires you to take them all at their word since you are not privy to see the vaulted BC, nor should you be.
Why would one more person, a judge, make you feel any differently? He/she would still just be a public official, you still wouldn't get to see it, and you would still have to take his/her word that it's true.
Don't like it? Write your senator, or just keep crying. I don't care.
[edit on 12/14/2008 by Irish M1ck]
Originally posted by Aermacchi
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Obama won't cave to my personal demands
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Nighthawk, M1ck YOU SUCK
*sob*
insert veiled threat against Nighthawk (no other way to explain that "when I want your respect I'll TAKE IT" remark)
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Originally posted by The Nighthawk
So, basically, you have nothing. You have no evidence to prove the accusation that Obama has hired high-priced lawyers to hide "whatever". In fact not only do you not have this evidence you brazenly cling to your assertion that you need not provide such evidence, regardless of the fact that as the accuser, YOU have the responsibility to back up your statements.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by redhatty
Why would the court be any less suspicious to you than the State of Hawaii? Why would trust judges over other government officials? It makes no sense.
If the courts did view the case and dismiss it, you guys would still claim conspiracy because you didn't get to see the evidence.
Originally posted by Irish M1ck
Actually, I don't know who exactly has seen it, though I do know at least one state official in Hawaii has personally seen Obama's vaulted birth certificate, held it in her hand, and verified that all of the accusations are "ridiculous".
So your claim that "no one" has seen it is completely untrue. Also, I can't be sure that no one was able to view it through court order during the vetting process. If not, I am sure they were able to deduce it by where his mother was at the time.
As far as his "141 lies": Pfft. I doubt that highly. I garuantee every one of those "141 lies" is either not a lie or partisan opinion.