Court won't review Obama's eligibility to serve!

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

Better question:

If the lawsuits hold any merit, why can't anyone get one to get to the discovery phase?

You want him to produce documents? Produce evidence that would make the court think this isn't all partisan bull#$*@ (which it is).

Exactly. I, for one, don't believe in the Immaculate Teleportation. If you want to claim he was born somewhere OTHER THAN Hawaii, you'd have to be able to prove that his mother traveled out of the country at any point within the, oh, to be generous, say, 10 months prior to his birth. Show me a visa paper, a passport stamp, a ticket stub, anything that proves she left Hawaii, and you might have a case for "born elsewhere." But it's kinda hard to say he was born somewhere else if his mother never left...

reply to post by Irish M1ck


Following on from Jenna's post, I also posted here about the "subject matter jurisdiction" issue.

Basically, it boils down to the fact that NO COURT has subject matter jurisdiction. This is a matter for Congress.

With that fact in mind, we can be guaranteed that this will never be allowed to become a real "issue" to Obama's Presidency

Originally posted by JoshNorton

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by TrueAmerican

 

Better question:

If the lawsuits hold any merit, why can't anyone get one to get to the discovery phase?

You want him to produce documents? Produce evidence that would make the court think this isn't all partisan bull#$*@ (which it is).

Exactly. I, for one, don't believe in the Immaculate Teleportation. If you want to claim he was born somewhere OTHER THAN Hawaii, you'd have to be able to prove that his mother traveled out of the country at any point within the, oh, to be generous, say, 10 months prior to his birth. Show me a visa paper, a passport stamp, a ticket stub, anything that proves she left Hawaii, and you might have a case for "born elsewhere." But it's kinda hard to say he was born somewhere else if his mother never left...

Excellent points Josh!

Starred!

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Aermacchi

 

The challenge is still out there. Any "source" (blog) you can find about Obama and his eligibility, I can find a reputable source to refute it.

How about this source smart guy, SHOW ME A BIRTH CERTIFICATE!

Can you do that?

Do you know why such a document was created in the first place?

It is the record of his Birth where and when and is a requirement to have proven UNEQUIVOCALLY meets the standards of eligibility.

Now how does one prove something like that Mickey?

Well we have something called BIRTH CERTIFICATES and THAT is what was requested from the very start! Not a Certificate of Live Birth! That only tells us someone named barack Obama was born; hell we KNOW that much we can see the guy ourselves!

Not his damn drivers license, that makes a great ID and many will accept that as such but to get THIS job, we want to see his Birth Certificate and time and time again he has REFUSED to show it and ONLY showed us what HE thinks should be good enough.

Well, IT ISN'T and ya know why smart guy???

Because IT ISN'T WHAT WE ASKED FOR!

Oh yeah he has said this proves it, that proves it or this guy has said I am eligible or that guy has said his COLB is authentic,

I say SO WHAT! And ya know why I say that smart guy???

Chorus and sing

IT ISN'T WHAT WE ASKED FOR!

My God man can't you get it through your head that when we say Birth Certificate, THAT is EXACTLY what we mean!

Then you wonder why we are still asking??

Why we are still making this an issue? When all the people that say he is eligible right up to the DNC can't say they have seen JACK! No one can say they saw Obama's BC and that the BC says what hospital he was born at what time, what doctor, what state etc.

NO ONE!

Not YOU, or anyone you know, has seen that! How can you say Factcheck is a reputable source, only tells me you wouldn't know what a reputable source is if it was owned by GOD himself and he proved it beyond the scientific method with Richard Dawkins endorsement.

When Factcheck keeps saying that the COLB is what THEY, NOT WE THE PEOPLE, BUT THEY, would settle for as proof and what YOU apparently would settle for as proof but that is your problem. The crux of your over zealous blind devotion to the Grand Obama, is YOU, would just like this issue to go away because sooner or later you are afraid we are going to get what we originally asked for. This is what John McCain showed us having the same reason for not wanting to show us being born where he was.

Obama has this problem too because he was born in Kenya and I think you KNOW IT! You also realize just how much grief and how many "I told ya so's" you would suffer, just how many feet you would have to put in your mouth with you deserving every bit of that. Until that day ever comes and this coward, this con man, this charlatan, liar, named Barry Barack Hollywood Hussein Obama ever should man up and show us what we asked to see and nothing less we will keep requesting it.

It is THAT simple MICK!

If I were you, I would hope that BC never gets seen by anyone and just like you, Barry has HIS reasons no one ever see's it too. NOT ONE of them has to do with us being wrong and you being right.

Not one of them has to do with what cheap and easily counterfeited fake COLB's he has already hoped and prayed we would accept as what we originally asked for.

Not one of them has to do with whether that same second rate easily forged pathetic excuses for a BC will do and ya know why??


Yep you got it homicide, IT JUST IS NOT WHAT WE ASKED FOR



[edit on 14-12-2008 by Aermacchi]

I'm still completely thrown aback that their are actually people that can gloss over these soooo obvious suspicions as paranoid delusions. If you people had half a brain or weren't so emotionally owned you would see what we see and be like, hmmmm, yeah what the.....

I'm just having a hard time thinking on the same wave length as these deniers....hmmm maybe try it like this, look at a few things specifically and mentally respond to them, don't just look at the topic at hand and say bahhh waffles....

Grandma says he was born in Kenya..................Waffles!

Won't release birth certificate complete with cute baby foot prints.........thinking......Pfffffffft, wafffffffles!

Ambassador on his birthplace becoming an attraction............weeeeeeee!

Maybe you can spin a justification or repeat a fabricated one from google, but the fact is it is extrememly suspicious and these suspicions have by no meens been cleared.

I know the answer to my question about how this could be. 2 things, white zombies and non whites that don't like whites therefor any one not white gets what ever pass he needs to usurp whitey. But the ones that really make me sick are the white zombies deceived by the tongue of a bad bad man, bad as in the worst we've seen, just wait for it. Yeah I'm paranoid but like Kurt Cobain said, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you".

[edit on 14-12-2008 by Sheeper]

reply to post by redhatty


Why would the court be any less suspicious to you than the State of Hawaii? Why would trust judges over other government officials? It makes no sense.

If the courts did view the case and dismiss it, you guys would still claim conspiracy because you didn't get to see the evidence.

reply to post by Aermacchi


No one can or will show you his birth certificate. You are a nobody, and you are not privy to viewing it. Don't like it? Go cry to your state senator. I don't care.

He produced a COLB, which is good enough to get a passport, drivers license, and anything else you want in this country. He has had the independent website factcheck.org validate the authenticity of the document. He has had the State of Hawaii verify that they have his BC, that it is valid, and that all allegations against Obama are unfounded and ridiculous.

Again, what do you have?

By the way, the BC you want - Obama doesn't have. Neither do you. You have a COLB just like he provided. Go look at it. The BC you are "demanding" ( Like you have the authority to demand that - who are you?), the state holds. The state official in charge of that said she believed she could not release it even if Obama asked her to.

She would need a court order.

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
No one can or will show you his birth certificate. You are a nobody, and you are not privy to viewing it. Don't like it? Go cry to your state senator. I don't care.

Umm, wrong. He is a somebody, just like you. And he has every right to voice his opinion here, just like you. And further, if he is an American citizen, given the nature of the job we are talking about here, he also has every right to ask Obama to provide the long form, whether Obama wants to provide it or not. And I believe for good reason. Because there are doubts. So settle them with the real thing once and for all.

...allegations against Obama are unfounded and ridiculous.

Your CoLB is ridiculous in the face of really proving it. And the borders didn't match another authentic one, for starters. See earlier in thread. This creates doubt still in enough people's minds that the vault copy is in order, but in short supply.

Again, what do you have?

A CoLB that wasn't even provided by Obama himself, which further raises the question of what in the heck he is trying to hide.

She would need a court order.

Well, seeing as this appears to fall outside any court's jurisdiction, and the SCOTUS doesn't want to touch it either, an act of congress is literally what it's going to take... But even then, it says nothing about an act of congress in Hawaiian law. So THAT might not even be applicable. If the SCOTUS won't take any case on this, Obama's going to be President, and I have faced it. Doesn't mean I have to like it, or listen to people like you belittle the accusations.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


So in your last post... You even admit that Obama can't release it. The woman can't with out a court order. Obama can't because he doesn't have it, Hawaii does, and won't release it. So stop crying foul, stop crying on here about not seeing it, and go cry to your state senator.

reply to post by TrueAmerican


First of all, so many things wrong in that post. Yes, he can voice his opinion all he likes, that is one of the downsides to freedom of speech - even the uneducated and biased views can continue preaching. That's fine.

What he doesn't have the right to do is demand for anyone to release a copy of their birth certificate to the public - ever.

That is, in essence, what you people are demanding right? The proper officials have viewed it, verified it, and denounced accusations, but that wasn't enough.

So, you are basically saying you want to see it yourself. I don't know why you want the court to take it, because if they said he was legit you still wouldn't believe it (and don't think the court would actually release the BC to the public). So, you'd still be there whining about how you haven't seen it.

You can say the border doesn't match, you can say it is fake, but you have no real evidence to back that up other than the border is different. That means nothing to me, and unless you can get some sort of real evidence saying it is fake (besides a blog), then you really have nothing.

Do you not think there would be experts coming out of the woodwork saying he's not legit? Do you think there would be people in Kenya saying he was born there (still haven't heard the "tape" from Obama's Gmom)?

When everything screams you are wrong, why can't you just accept that you are wrong?

[edit on 12/14/2008 by Irish M1ck]

If the courts did view the case and dismiss it, you guys would still claim conspiracy because you didn't get to see the evidence.

You know this how smart guy?? A Fortune cookie? You are a student of the Kreskin School of esp.? Perhaps Sylvia brown told you this? The fact is chum, it doesn't matter what you think. Isn't that what you told me? Yeah I think it was. The thing is Mickey, you only think that because we would not compromise our standards when it comes to someone wanting a job of this kind of access and power over not just you and I but the world and why you continue to put your need to be "right" in front of what is sound judgment especially when we are talking about someone you know very little about, someone who by all standards and procedures, amounts to what anyone in any other field of endeavor would consider a "rookie" a Noob. Surely you can understand our concerns not to mention the fact that you are also part of the reason people can rise to positions of incompetence and tyranny if this man doesn't demonstrate a modicum of transparency a measure of respect for those who put him in office, the American people. After all, his is a position of public service and we just want to know to whom.

You are a nobody, and you are not privy to viewing it. Don't like it? Go cry to your state senator. I don't care.

I may be nobody in your opinion but that doesn't stop you from taking the time to address my posts with your ignorant sophistry regarding my reasons for the position I am taking and it is typical of people like you who also are strong supporters of socialism and a desire to be under tyrants of regimes dubbed the "NWO" etc,. To act so belligerent using sarcasm and a tone unbecoming of someone you hope to have taken you seriously. This is why I don't take you serious and why most here are losing respect for what they see as a total lack of honest objectivity and understanding of how Americans got where they have in the first place. You would be one of those against the Boston Tea party wearing a red coat in a green forest while those nut jobs who rejected the taxation and tyranny of the Obama mind set are who ends up buying the freedom you enjoy to insult them with your terminal self righteousness.

He produced a COLB, which is good enough to get a passport, driver’s license, and anything else you want in this country.

Let me ask you something then Mick, if I took a COLB and it was only the document itself having no information on it as to where I was born, who was the Physician and what year it was that my Birth actually took place, what do you think the MVD would say to me if I tried to get away with using that to garner a Passport or DL?

You bet they would say that the COLB is authentic but it is not enough to get me either a PP or a DL. That is essentially what you are asking the American people to do and for something requiring much much more responsibility. You can't understand that I know because you have seen all the arguments and still you put your pride before your pragmatism and sound judgment but I can't tell you it doesn't show to all of us as the wisdom of a grammar school student. That COLB wouldn't qualify for a homestead request and it doesn't qualify him to be president. If he HAS a Vaulted BC then you are lying when you say he doesn't have it now, or Obama is. I can't tell anymore since all of you are so taken in by him and his factcheck.org. I think you should make a website about you and have it tell us all the wonderful things about you, things that are really lies you would want covered up by a team of yes men swinging from the vas deferens of your groin at it were.

That is what Obama has done with Factcheck. You know it and I know it.

The state official in charge of that said she believed she could not release it even if Obama asked her to.

Isn't that convenient, but I am not buying it and we are not asking anything more of him we asked of McCain, so spare me the idiotic excuses you are making for him.

I simply don't believe you, or anyone else who lies to us.

The reason I voted for Obama was that I thought he was above board and honest. Now I see he has something to hide and is nothing but a snake a Trojan horse. conned me too. Now I regret it terribly and I may be nothing to you or no one to Obama but he just lost more than my respect should he see another election,

He just lost my vote






[edit on 14-12-2008 by Aermacchi]

reply to post by Aermacchi


A fortune cookie? No. I deduced it from the fact that no one will accept anyone else at their word. Obama says he was born there, his staff says he was born there, everyone in Washington agrees he was born there, his COLB says he was born in Hawaii, factcheck.org says his COLB is valid, the State of Hawaii says his vaulted BC is legit and held by them.

All of those things add to the credibility that Obama was in fact born there, but it requires you to take them all at their word since you are not privy to see the vaulted BC, nor should you be.

Why would one more person, a judge, make you feel any differently? He/she would still just be a public official, you still wouldn't get to see it, and you would still have to take his/her word that it's true.

Don't like it? Write your senator, or just keep crying. I don't care.

[edit on 12/14/2008 by Irish M1ck]

Originally posted by Irish M1ck

No. I deduced it from the fact that no one will accept anyone else at their word.

That is because no one has seen his birth certificate either and are as guilty of this shameful act of utter ignorance alowing someone to fall through the cracks mereley because they think someone else has seen it when no one has seen it.

Obama says he was born there, his staff says he was born there, everyone in Washington agrees he was born there

Not one of them has shown us a single piece of evidence and as far as obama himself goes, 141 lies and counting he has made to the American people, they can be verified and proven so why should I believe him when he has a lust for power and greed motivating him .

Again I wonder is it your inability to concentrate that you can not makde the nexus between what we understand is not at issue here and what really is? We have no problem with authentic anything when the thing you are claiming is authentic doesn't say where he was born.

All of those things add to the credibility that Obama was in fact born there, but it requires you to take them all at their word since you are not privy to see the vaulted BC, nor should you be.

No I'm afraid you are mistaken chum, in fact all that is doing is making this look more like you and everyone else willing to allow illegal aliens to run our Government are unknowing agents of a conspiracy for change and it aint me that is crying but me that will join a class action suit against Mr Obama if he continues on this path following Mr Bush

Don't like it? Write your senator, or just keep crying. I don't care.

I will thank you and another thing Ill keep doing is funding law suits I know of where grassroots patriots like true patriot and those who won't settle for fakery posted on some blogg called factcheck and lies from people who know nothing absolutley nothing about Obam or the politics of the Chicago Daley Political machine

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by Aermacchi

 

A fortune cookie? No. I deduced it from the fact that no one will accept anyone else at their word. Obama says he was born there, his staff says he was born there, everyone in Washington agrees he was born there, his COLB says he was born in Hawaii, factcheck.org says his COLB is valid, the State of Hawaii says his vaulted BC is legit and held by them.

All of those things add to the credibility that Obama was in fact born there, but it requires you to take them all at their word since you are not privy to see the vaulted BC, nor should you be.

Why would one more person, a judge, make you feel any differently? He/she would still just be a public official, you still wouldn't get to see it, and you would still have to take his/her word that it's true.

Don't like it? Write your senator, or just keep crying. I don't care.

[edit on 12/14/2008 by Irish M1ck]

M1ck, your Avatar and your superior wit always makes me smile.

Thanks for this succint and to the point clarification on this.

Did I mention your avatar makes me smile?

Yes yes yes you are all gah gah for the boy and can't help getting off topic just to let everyone know you are high fiving the kid. How quaint. Now can we have this back on topic honka



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[edit on 15-12-2008 by 12m8keall2c]

Originally posted by Aermacchi
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witless sarcasm
Obama won't cave to my personal demands
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whaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!
Nighthawk, M1ck YOU SUCK
*sob*
insert veiled threat against Nighthawk (no other way to explain that "when I want your respect I'll TAKE IT" remark)
more words

So, basically, you have nothing. You have no evidence to prove the accusation that Obama has hired high-priced lawyers to hide "whatever". In fact not only do you not have this evidence you brazenly cling to your assertion that you need not provide such evidence, regardless of the fact that as the accuser, YOU have the responsibility to back up your statements.

The only things you have proven are my point that no amount of evidence will satisfy you, and that your accusations must be completely without merit--otherwise you'd be bending over backwards to provide your supposed "evidence".

I grow tired of your pointless negativity and bilge-spewing. Frankly I'm starting to wish Obama could provide whichever document you seem to want (with your rambling posts it's getting hard to tell; sure sign of dementia if you ask me) just so he can personally shove it up your backside while I drunkenly throw rotten vegetables at you, and tape the whole thing to put up on YouTube.

Now why don't you go back to your bunker in the crawlspace and climb into your Amry-surplus cot by the light of a kerosene lantern, and snuggle up with your favorite gun while waiting for the NWO Boogey Man to come get you.

You're a sick, sad little man and I pity you.

But not much

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Thanks. All I did was tell Ashley I wanted an avatar with green and Irish stuff, and she came up with masterpiece.

reply to post by Aermacchi


Actually, I don't know who exactly has seen it, though I do know at least one state official in Hawaii has personally seen Obama's vaulted birth certificate, held it in her hand, and verified that all of the accusations are "ridiculous".

So your claim that "no one" has seen it is completely untrue. Also, I can't be sure that no one was able to view it through court order during the vetting process. If not, I am sure they were able to deduce it by where his mother was at the time.

As far as his "141 lies": Pfft. I doubt that highly. I garuantee every one of those "141 lies" is either not a lie or partisan opinion.

Also, please keep funding the law suits, I like seeing suckers throw their money down the toilet.

Originally posted by The Nighthawk

So, basically, you have nothing. You have no evidence to prove the accusation that Obama has hired high-priced lawyers to hide "whatever". In fact not only do you not have this evidence you brazenly cling to your assertion that you need not provide such evidence, regardless of the fact that as the accuser, YOU have the responsibility to back up your statements.

Oh so you DO understand then when Obama shows us a COLB that he must show us the birth certificate he keeps telling everyone backs it up. You DO know that he is the one making the claim he is a US Born here American while he "Brazenly" "clings to this assertion he need not prove it but with amateur looking crap made photoshopped fakery from a flop blog called factchicken.org


Now why don't you go back to your bunker in the crawlspace and climb into your Amry-surplus cot by the light of a kerosene lantern, and snuggle up with your favorite gun while waiting for the NWO Boogey Man to come get you.

You're a sick, sad little man and I pity you.

But not much

Ha ha ha Ill let this one stand on its own merit . What are you 6 years old?

Just telling you your behavior is childish is an insult to children everywhere.

It's always racism or bigotry with you nightsparrow and always your way and no other way so Ill not bother to confuse you with the facts till you are all "Growed up like"







See it's all you ever knew how to do and all you'll ever know how to look.

Ill leave it to the readers imaginations

Originally posted by Irish M1ck
reply to post by redhatty

 

Why would the court be any less suspicious to you than the State of Hawaii? Why would trust judges over other government officials? It makes no sense.

If the courts did view the case and dismiss it, you guys would still claim conspiracy because you didn't get to see the evidence.

I posted a link to a post I made in another thread showing why NO COURT has jurisdiction on this and you ask me "Why would the court be any less suspicious to you than the State of Hawaii?"

You Sublime M1ck are the one making no sense. Why ask me that question when the entire post I linked to explains why the courts do not have subject matter jurisdiction?

Originally posted by Irish M1ck


Actually, I don't know who exactly has seen it, though I do know at least one state official in Hawaii has personally seen Obama's vaulted birth certificate, held it in her hand, and verified that all of the accusations are "ridiculous".

That is the first honest thing I have ever seen you say mick ! Then you had to ruin it by putting words in a state officials mouth. You know as well as i do what that state official said and NO WHERE, NOT ONE TIME did they answer the question as to what does it say where Obama was Born.

You may want to try honesty as the better policy Mick, or you'll start looking as silly as the guy your lies are protecting from imminent charges of perjury and fraud.

NO WHERE, NO ONE
NOBAMA!

So your claim that "no one" has seen it is completely untrue. Also, I can't be sure that no one was able to view it through court order during the vetting process. If not, I am sure they were able to deduce it by where his mother was at the time.

No one can prove anyone has seen it mick and THAT is our point that when you peel away the onion,, we find more anbd more of those who like you are claiming he is what he says he is , have also NEVER seen it either! That is why we need a judge to say it has been seenb and yes it also says where he was born and that it is hawaii. Untill then, he is just a fraud and you are just naive blindly believing him for whatever the reason.

Must be infatuation but I think Michelle has a lock on him so,,

good luck with that

As far as his "141 lies": Pfft. I doubt that highly. I garuantee every one of those "141 lies" is either not a lie or partisan opinion.

You're on

reply to post by redhatty


What? I am not talking about that. I am simply asking why would a judge be any more credible to you than any other government official? Why would you trust a judges ruling over a state official (from the department of health no less - what does she have to gain considering all she has to lose if she was lying)?