I dont have much time to read it all right now, sorry, but just to say I wasnt referring to 300 or 500 years of "american history", I'm from europe so I was talking bout europe. Still... I have thousands of years of "wars" and "rivalries" that is already part of the dna - its basically genetic memory or knowledge.

But I will read it later and give a better answer. Take care.

I reckon it's because white man made the gun, got immense power and wealth through it and had to morally justify it. Fortunately the bible was at hand and Kane of the Abel fame was a baddie and was made black for it (I'm sure this was really biblical politics for some war or other) and White man said, yup that will do and set out to associate black with anything convenient. Dunno, was White Man racist before the gun??

Originally posted by redled
I reckon it's because white man made the gun, got immense power and wealth through it and had to morally justify it. Fortunately the bible was at hand and Kane of the Abel fame was a baddie and was made black for it (I'm sure this was really biblical politics for some war or other) and White man said, yup that will do and set out to associate black with anything convenient. Dunno, was White Man racist before the gun??

If a cannon can be considered a gun, the chinese were the first to introduce it in the battlefield.

Akin,

What "secrets" of the moon by using "musical instruments". I'm talking about science not religious or supersticious mumbojumbo. You talk about rituals while I talk about copernicus or galileo... I talk about telescopes and sextants and you answer with "musical instruments"? What black tribe used mathemathics before? Still... if they were so advanced why they could barely engineer their own huts? Lets look at the romans for instanc... Public sewers, health care, aquaducts, hell they didnt actually NEED the freakin 0 to be more advanced in anything... so after they added a number with no value, well, great I guess... so much for engineering a hut with sticks and musical instruments and tribal dances while the rest of the world was sailing across the oceans, discovering uncharted territory - they never left their place...

The evolution rate is not the same.

[edit on 7-12-2008 by MilitieTempliSalmo]

Just to make sure I don't manage to offend anyone with my post, I'll invent a hypothetical race of people and use them as an example. These are the Paisley people. They comprise about 17% of the population, and the stereotypes concerning them are that they are smart but lazy, selfish, love alcohol too much for their own good, and tend to be "know-it-alls" or smart alecks.

Suppose I am a white (Caucasian) female and my coworker is a white female. I don't like her because she's bossy, mean, sarcastic, rude, often manipulates the boss into having me do her work, and thinks she's always right. No problem, right? I have good reasons not to like this person who is the same race, gender, and socioeconomic class as I. Now suppose my coworker is a Paisley female. All of a sudden the reason I don't like her is because she's Paisley, my issues with her are all about the Paisley stereotype and not her personality traits, and I'm a racist. And if my hypothetical coworker is a male rather than a female, now it's about the fact that he's a man, and I must be a raving misandrist (someone who hates men)!

But, back to me and my hypothetical female Paisley coworker. No matter how much I protest that my dislike of her has nothing to do with the fact that she's Paisley, I won't be believed, and chances are SHE will also play the race card if she perceives my dislike. So, in order to keep my job and get along with everyone (and/or avoid counseling for my racist attitudes), I must pretend to like this woman and be nice to her - much nicer than I would be if she were white like me and I could simply have valid reasons for disliking her.

So, calling white people "racist" is a means to force them to treat other races better than they would if the same person were white like them. You can be a jerk, lazy, mean, rude, and display all kinds of unacceptable behaviors (tardiness, taking extra breaks, not getting your work done, etc.) and you'll get away with it because you aren't white, and if any white person criticizes you, you can cry "racist!" This is not equality, it's taking advantage of the white stereotype - that they're all racists and secretly think they're better than everyone else even if they don't admit it.

In fact, the classic definition of racism specifically includes the idea that "one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others." I can dislike Paisley people all I want, and technically as long as I don't think I'm 'better than them' I'm still not a racist. Jewish people who dislike Germans because they believe that we think we are a superior race who still harbor secret desires to exterminate them may be prejudiced (and certainly irrational), but they are not racists. I'm not sure how the concept of racism got twisted around to where it's simply unacceptable to dislike (or not wish to socialize/associate with) someone of another race, but that's not the original definition.

Racism still includes the connotation of bigotry though - of not liking someone who is "inferior." If I'm a country hick who doesn't want to socialize with a "yuppie" who attends ballet and philharmonic concerts, wears designer labels and coordinates her shoes with her outfit because I have nothing in common with her, that's okay. But if I'm the yuppie who doesn't want to associate with the gal who lives in a trailer park, goes to rodeos and barbeques, and wears the same two pairs of cowgirl boots all Winter because I have nothing in common with her, it's bigotry and it's not okay. The same is translated to race. If I'm Paisley and I don't have any white friends, who cares? I probably just have more in common with my "own people." But if I'm white and don't have any Paisley friends, I'm a racist.

This all seems counterproductive to me. Isn't the goal to have every human being valued and evaluated for who they are and what they do, not their race, gender, ethnicity, social class, etc.? Instead of that, we have a situation where everyone who is perceived as being the "majority" or the group "in power" (usually whites or white males) has to "like" and accept everyone of every other race regardless of their personality traits, character flaws, and shortcomings. Is that what we want? Because as long as people of any "color" continue to cry "racist!" every time a white person doesn't like them or criticizes them for any reason, that's what we will have.

Suppose I'm a business owner, and I have 2 job applicants. One is a black kid, a gang member with a criminal record and a rude attitude who comes to the interview dressed in gang colors, and the other is a clean-cut white kid who was in the honor society and student government. Which one am I going to pick? I don't know - it'll be a very tough decision and I may have to choose neither and look for someone else because I'm afraid of being hit with bad publicity or even a lawsuit if I pick the white kid.

If, on the other hand, my applicants are a white kid with long greasy hair and droopy drawers who smells like an illegal substance and can barely put together a coherent sentence, and a clean-cut neatly dressed black kid who (like my high school classmate, a black boy I deeply respected and admired in spite of our personal rivalry because he beat me to be class valedictorian by a fraction of a GPA point) who played team sports and got good grades, I can heave a deep sigh of relief and pick the black kid - the one I really want anyway - no worries.

Am I the only one who sees anything wrong with this picture? As a white person, I am forced to make my decisions and choices about people who are not white by the threat of being labeled a racist rather than being able to choose freely based on their merits as a person. And I ask you again, is this what we want?

Yep, I'm a white female, who didn't ask or choose to be one any more than you chose to be whatever you are. But I must be a racist, because I'll cross the street to avoid a tough-looking group of black youths all wearing the same colors and loitering on the corner. It can't be instinct or common sense, because as a white person I'm not allowed to use such things when dealing with people who aren't white. Yep, I must be wanting to avoid them because I'm a racist who hates black people. Since I'm white, it's the only possible reason. Right?

Originally posted by Heike
If I'm Paisley and I don't have any white friends, who cares? I probably just have more in common with my "own people." But if I'm white and don't have any Paisley friends, I'm a racist.




Suppose I'm a business owner, and I have 2 job applicants. One is a black kid, a gang member with a criminal record and a rude attitude who comes to the interview dressed in gang colors, and the other is a clean-cut white kid who was in the honor society and student government. Which one am I going to pick? I don't know - it'll be a very tough decision and I may have to choose neither and look for someone else because I'm afraid of being hit with bad publicity or even a lawsuit if I pick the white kid.


(like my high school classmate, a black boy I deeply respected and admired in spite of our personal rivalry because he beat me to be class valedictorian by a fraction of a GPA point)

1. The "paisely" is a close-minded idiot due to the fact alone that the reason why he only associates with other "paislies", is because he thinks he has more in common with his own people. Based on this fact, the close-minded "paisely" must obviously feel that no other race in the world has done the same things, felt the same things, seen the same things, liked the same things, hated the same things, been to the same places etc.. The same could be said for any white person. However, BOTH the paisely AND the white person, would without a doubt be racist if they didn't associate with other races out of hatred for any other races, as well as feeling that any other races are inferior to theirs.

2. LMAO. Heike, the white kid would more than likely get a job before the black kid ever had ANY chance at getting a job ANYWEHRE. Why? Because he has a criminal record and since he's a gang banger, he's probably got a lot of felonies. Usually felons (regardless of their race) have poor chances at getting jobs. Why say neither Heike? Why fear the lawsuit and bad publicity? Do you say neither because secretly you'd feel a tad bit of "white guilt" for picking the white kid over the black kid? Or do you say neither because if you turned down the black kid, you'd feel some form of satisfaction because he possess some of the stereotypes commonly attributed to black people? Thus confirming your true feelings towards blacks. Do you fear the bad publicity because if you were to receieve it, you'd know it's because you really just might be racsict? Or is it because you'd merely just "appear racist"? The fact alone that you say you'd fear the bad publicity speaks REALLY high volumes about your true outlook on race. Also, if you didn't pick either one of them, then what kind of person would you look for? Someone inexpiereinced?

3. Are you sure the rivalry wasn't because he was black? I'm sorry I couldn't resist.

[edit on 10-12-2008 by The Scarecrow]

Originally posted by The Scarecrow
BOTH the paisely AND the white person, would without a doubt be racist if they didn't associate with other races out of hatred for any other races

When, where, why and how did I lose the right to dislike anyone for any reason that I want to? Do I have some obligation to socialize with everyone? When did you (and whoever) get to decide who my friends should be or not be, and gain the right to call me names if you don't like my choice of friends?

If I commit a violent act against a person of another race because they are of that race, or materially discriminate against a person based on race (such as not giving them a job, loan, apartment, etc.) then I am a racist. But, last I heard, there aren't (yet) any government quotas covering my personal friends, and I still get to choose them based on personal criteria like whether I enjoy their company or have interests in common with them.

The fact that I have no black, yellow, red, paisley, or purple friends doesn't mean I'm a racist as much as it means that the area I live in happens to be 82% Caucasian and 12% Native American. That leaves only 6% of the population to be other races, and with a population density of only 29 people per square mile, I don't run into them very often.

In response to your 2.: It was an analogy. An example to make a point. And the point is, the way I react to people around me is partly dictated by the fear of the consequences of being called or considered a racist. You tell me WHY I should be able to get mad at a white person for being a jerk and it's fine, but if I get mad at a black person for being a jerk I'm a racist? All I'm saying is that I SHOULD be able to "judge" every person on their own merits regardless of race, and I can't because I'm threatened with being called a racist (and the very real negative consequences that go with that).

3. Are you sure the rivalry wasn't because he was black?

Nope, it was because we were the 2 best students in the class and our GPA's were always neck and neck.

well some people of all ethnicities and backgrounds can be accused of racism and discrimination at one point or another.

when you make broad statements about all people of any color or background that is just plain ignorant. as far as people thinking that only white people are racist that is bulls#$*!!!

but, on the other hand, one might argue that white people have gained the most throughout history through racism, discrimination, manifest destiny etc etc.

i beleive that there is only one race, the human race, and we should treat eachother as such.

You will see soon, science is a flame that will consume itself. The highest sciences recognize vibrations as the 'ruling' factors of everything. This is true, and this is why music is so powerful. Vibrations can do anything to the mind, and it can also effect ones body. Science recognizes that. Tribal folk may have had an understanding of our "dimension" that we cannot possibly fathom. People think about 4-5,000 tiny years are significant.Tssk,tsskk. The earth works on a far more grand scale (historicaly). This is why we raid the most sacred places. Because our elites know.... Im trying to reach at the point modern science barely reaches the tribal spectrum. Have you watched the moleeds video? That was one tribe in Mali. Even the word Mumb-Jumbo is a westernized mockery, it has very negative roots.
Plenty of black tribes. Some which are still developing iron and gold using ancient mathematic 'recipes'.

Honestly all respect due, the zero is perhaps the most significant 'idea' of our time. Without it we couldnt type right now. Without we wouldnt have flight, we wouldnt have most of the great achievements that makes us 'great'. If you have a chance, check out the book"The biography of zero, A Dangerous Idea". I really suggest you read that. You can see how the number zero along with other mathmatic formulas proves God exist. Its deep, and its history in europe is bloody. People rejected that Great idea.

Back to the point. I still cant understand this fact, how do you discover something that is charterd, mapped, and fully developed. People really came seem to connect the dots. I will share one story. I read in a nat-geo book about a Native American tribe that had a stone inscription, written in 3 languages. One was Heiroglyphics,one a Libyan language, Im sorry I cant remember the last. There is so much proof or evidence(if that is what you need)to prove early Africans sailed the world. If you are not familiar with this knowledge it kinda proves how much one has read outside of Highschool. African philosophy is strong worldwide. We have ellaborate houses and we are still dependant on our foolish desires. That is was makes us unhuman from a realistic sense. To be honest there is evidence from Africa on every single continent, including the fossilized trees and animals. Science builds theory upon theory, without considering any other possibility. At one point elite scientist outlawed, rejected and even killed people for proving the world was round. We once thought the primitive theory "early asians" populated the Americas. The key word here is "Modern" scientist recognize that these folks were not the only people and they were not certainly the first.

Evolution rate is so extreme, we have developed forces that restrict us from developing.

What Makes Whites Racist?

Years of history which enslaved black men and women dating to the beginning of America.

Can only white people be racists?

No. There are many black people who hate white people.

Lets say you are short.You walk into a room of tall people in the corner there is group of short people you gravitate to them.Are you raciest to the tall folk?