Originally posted by Mozzy
whatever, you can keep believing that blacks cause more crime and discuss why all you want. hold a tissue next to your eye while you do it cause someone might be watching and they'll think you're so wonderful for trying to understand.

wait, that doesn't make any sense does it?

of course it doesn't, guess why?? cause the op hasn't once replied to his post. you have no frame of reference.

unfortunately ... you don't have to be the OP here to get a frame of reference. what he's described in your country happens in other westernized countries as well. ours for example and australia and the uk. probably more.

there is a pattern here that is too similar to be put down to mere co-incidence and warrants discussion whether you feel comfortable with it or not. the only way to resolve these issues is to discuss them and explore them thoroughly. sweeping them under the carpet has been tried already ... it doesn't work.

Originally posted by rizla
I think the root cause is poverty.

i have been extremely poor - all i had to eat while I was growing up [during my so called troubled teens] was some dried up discarded bread that my mother would grate up for me so that I could lick up the bread crumbs- and I and my family would not consider doing anything remotely criminal so poverty alone is not the answer

and we were not praticularly religious either - it was just against our personal morals as a family to resort to crime or law breaking

go figure

Originally posted by megabyte

Originally posted by rizla
I think the root cause is poverty.

i have been extremely poor - all i had to eat while I was growing up [during my so called troubled teens] was some dried up discarded bread that my mother would grate up for me so that I could lick up the bread crumbs- and I and my family would not consider doing anything remotely criminal so poverty alone is not the answer

and we were not praticularly religious either - it was just against our personal morals as a family to resort to crime or law breaking

go figure

but you're also not black are you? neither you nor generations of your ancestors before you have been looked down on for the colour of your skin right?

go figure.

don't worry ...

you're not the only one who wonders what's going on and when things might change for the better.

i fear my own people and take precautionary measures to protect my family against what they might do. it's nothing more than basic survival instincts. the only difference between you and i is ... i know why my people are angry and why they might revolt.

Originally posted by wookiee

Originally posted by rizla
I think the root cause is poverty.

Show me 'poverty' in the US!

At least one car, two tv's, one of which is widescreen, at least one phone & cellphone.
Housing with air conditioning, so much money, they can buy food a convenience stores that charge 25%± more than grocery stores.

Poverty's not the problem.

Free handouts is the problem, if they were made to work, those numbers would be different.

Can I come be poor in your neighborhood. I make an ok living and I do not have a wide screen, i do not use my AC, and I never pay convience store prices for food. I also have one phone. It is just too expensive to live any other way. I want to come to your neighborhood because I suspect that when you turn off Rush Limbaugh, you might learn something. How many of these people's homes have you been in? How many of them do you follow to the store to see where they buy their food? Where do you get this crap aside from right wing radio. I know where you hear it, where do you actually witness it? Really now. Or do you see someone with no car buying over priced food at a 7-11 because they cannot walk far enough to buy decent food cheaply? Follow them home next time. Tell me all about their extravagant lifestyles. Tell me all about the rooms full of $150 televisions from walmart. Why do people feel so sure about talking points they hear on the radio when there is nothing to ever back that crap up but one or two personal annecdotes that are so far out of context as to be completely worthless. I am sure I have one just such a thing coming to me soon.

Originally posted by WyrdeOne

Two things need to be said on the subject.

1.) Disproportionately stiff sentencing for blacks. A white juvenile is more likely to get community service for a crime that would land a black juvenile in prison. (The term African American is ignorant and insensitive, many folks with dark skin are neither American nor of African descent)

2.) Education is skewed and, that said, educational level is a very accurate predictor of criminal tendency. The educated commit fewer crimes.

i initially balked at your first statement and thought ... get real.

then i realized that oh you are in a different country and you all do things differently there. so is what you're saying true? black americans are treated more harshly in courts than white?

Originally posted by ll__raine__ll

Originally posted by megabyte

Originally posted by rizla
I think the root cause is poverty.

i have been extremely poor - all i had to eat while I was growing up [during my so called troubled teens] was some dried up discarded bread that my mother would grate up for me so that I could lick up the bread crumbs- and I and my family would not consider doing anything remotely criminal so poverty alone is not the answer

and we were not praticularly religious either - it was just against our personal morals as a family to resort to crime or law breaking

go figure

but you're also not black are you? neither you nor generations of your ancestors before you have been looked down on for the colour of your skin right?

go figure.

indeed

so is it the skin color?

i have a theory

the arican americans are the ones mainly discussed here - and they came from the slave trade

I believe that a lot of the slave owners were more abusive than we understand and that included immorally abusive, not caring about morals when they dealt with slaves
this break down in morals that these slave people had originally from their culture has never been replaced once it was lost thru being abused while they were slaves

perhaps this is why for some african americans it is so difficult to return to moral values that are useful to their best survival and also society around them

I dont understand it tho because a lot of african americans go to church much more often than I ever did

if it is not just poverty and not just skin color then perhaps that is the missing ingredient?

Originally posted by megabyte

Originally posted by ll__raine__ll

Originally posted by megabyte

Originally posted by rizla
I think the root cause is poverty.

i have been extremely poor - all i had to eat while I was growing up [during my so called troubled teens] was some dried up discarded bread that my mother would grate up for me so that I could lick up the bread crumbs- and I and my family would not consider doing anything remotely criminal so poverty alone is not the answer

and we were not praticularly religious either - it was just against our personal morals as a family to resort to crime or law breaking

go figure

but you're also not black are you? neither you nor generations of your ancestors before you have been looked down on for the colour of your skin right?

go figure.

indeed

so is it the skin color?

i have a theory

the arican americans are the ones mainly discussed here - and they came from the slave trade

I believe that a lot of the slave owners were more abusive than we understand and that included immorally abusive, not caring about morals when they dealt with slaves
this break down in morals that these slave people had originally from their culture has never been replaced once it was lost thru being abused while they were slaves

perhaps this is why for some african americans it is so difficult to return to moral values that are useful to their best survival and also society around them

I dont understand it tho because a lot of african americans go to church much more often than I ever did

if it is not just poverty and not just skin color then perhaps that is the missing ingredient?

i don't think that's it at all. but i can't speak for the african americans because i'm not one of them.

i am however a coloured person trying to make it in a white mans world. i know what it is to be treated differently ... i know what it is to be looked at differently.

i've been told, "you're not bad looking for a *coloured* girl". "you're not like other *coloured* women". excuse me?

after a while you get a bit sick of these sentiments, believe me ... but they sink in.

HUH? Your argument is false. You seem to be a troll and I'm going to ignore you after this. I cannot believe you are allowed to troll here and stir up trouble when the OP just asked a simple and very relevant question. You, my dear, are the racist.


Edited to add that is was you, Mozzy, I am referring to in this post. Thanks!

[edit on 4-12-2008 by uplander]

I think there is a wider issue here than most people think..

First, blacks in the u.S. need to get over themselves. Stop blaming everyone else for their problems. Get out of the ghetto...and don't fall back in to the trap of that culture.

I live in the greatest state in these United states, Oklahoma. There is a town to the west of me where a preacher relocated 20 or so black kids from the ghettos of LA to give them a hand up. They fell right back in to the crap because they couldn't let go of a lifestyle.

Second, EVERY race has their quirks. Whites screw people over, blacks are "hardcore", Mexicans are sleepy and Indians are drunks (that's right I said Indians. There is no such thing as a Native American in North America. I can't speak for Aztecs and the like because I don't know...but I DO know that every Indian is a descendant of someone who walked to North America. I can get on board with calling us original settlers or hell, even tribal Americans but not Native...not ever. BTW Mozzy, just because your grandfather was 75% Indian doesn't mean #. Call people what you want to call them because you have the testicular fortitude to not care. Not because you have Indian in your left pinky and that somehow gives you the right to claim you're an authority and a part of our culture. Oh, and stop saying "hear" when it's "here". You are a troll and a total waste of air. )

Races have differences that are bred into them by genetics and nurtured by culture. A black man whipping out the gun on the street corner is no different than a black man chucking a spear into a rival tribe member on the Serengeti. They are genetically predisposed to be territorial and hostile. That's how they survived. Whites are genetically predisposed to out wit and out think the next guy without fighting. A white man stealing massive amounts of money from a corporation is the same as him buying 200 million acres for beads.

These facts will never change. The only way to stop the differences in race is to stop having race. If everyone interbred for the next 200 years we'd all turn out a creamy brown...be damn good looking, better suited for whatever environment we might come across and stop hating each other.

Or we could have a mass awakening where we all held ourselves accountable for our own progress and we all shrived for the betterment of the human race.

As for why black people commit more crimes than others, well that's simple. They don't. They just commit different types. A black will break in to your house. A white will steal all your money in "a good deal". A Mexican will knife you, an Indian will get drunk and smash his car in to you.

We are all human, and there will always be a small portion of all of our races that the majority of us will be ashamed of. Accept it, move on, and just be good to each other. But if you see someone coming out of your house with your stuff again, blast a hole in him the size of Texas, and I bet you wont get robbed again That's the Oklahoman in me coming out, and that's not racist, it's just the principal of the matter.