African Americans and Crime Rates in USA, WHY???

Originally posted by Mozzy
mods please remove this post and ban the op. this is nothing but racist jargon based on the ops fear of said offenders.

had the op been stabbed, shot, impregnated, or otherwise harmed by said races the op would have stated it in his post.

Originally posted by jd140
I have thought about this same topic off and on for a few years now and have come up with somewhat of a theory.

It's because they was brought up in a racist enviroment.

I'm not talking about racism against white people. I'm talking about racism toward society.

Alot are teached that society is against them because they are Black and like anyone who thinks that someone doesn't like them they take a stance against that individual. They are put in the mind set that no matter what they do they are going to screwed over. So what do they do? They join like minded individuals who offer them the chance to make alot of money through drug sell. They are given the chance to own their neighborhood with fear and if someone challenges their area they fight back with bullets. They may live in poor neighborhoods, but they wear expensive shoes and clothes, all without having to provide to the society that is "against" them. They know the risk, but see it as a the lesser of the two evils. They would rather die then get an education, go to college and work for a society they were taught will never give them a fair deal.

Just a theory in progress.

Originally posted by Mozzy
well it seems to me that many of you are incapable of independent thought and analysis. you are forced to choose, based on the emotions present, one side or the other.

if any of you would be in a thread that claimed white people were responsible for the death of millions of indians and mexicans you would be the first to raise a flag. for some reason you have chosen this as a haven to prove your evenmindedness.

i've known people that were banned IMMEDIATELY for posting drivel like this on ATS. i suppose it's because it's a wednesday night and the mods really don't care.

i will use this thread to support my own belief that most people are mediocre and cannot therefore be expected to produce anything but that. afterall it's what's to be expected.

(by the way.. quite saying your when it's "you're")

i appreciate your zero tolerance to anything racist and admit my own hackles are usually raised when anyone even "tries" to broach such a subject.

but this thread author is only asking a question using "probably" real stats and his own observations. he's not making horrible remarks or stating any racist conclusions.

some people really DO want to know the answers to his questions. this thread and others like it are a chance for us to discuss it in a non-hostile environment.

Originally posted by Mozzy
well it seems to me that many of you are incapable of independent thought and analysis. you are forced to choose, based on the emotions present, one side or the other.

if any of you would be in a thread that claimed white people were responsible for the death of millions of indians and mexicans you would be the first to raise a flag. for some reason you have chosen this as a haven to prove your evenmindedness.

i've known people that were banned IMMEDIATELY for posting drivel like this on ATS. i suppose it's because it's a wednesday night and the mods really don't care.

i will use this thread to support my own belief that most people are mediocre and cannot therefore be expected to produce anything but that. afterall it's what's to be expected.

(by the way.. quite saying your when it's "you're")

Originally posted by Mozzy


i do not have zero tolerance to anything but blind ignorance. i'm glad you admitted it.





well let's start giving away student grants to PROBABLY real aliens ok? how about let's start giving your paycheck to PROBABLY real taxes. would you be ok with that? how about let's start doing surgery on some PROBABLY real brain problems. his post TITLE is a racist conclusion and the lack of his respone thereof is proof of it!




good for those people, wherever they are. you already admitted you are not hear for answers and that it's only because you've been "hackled".

OLEAN, N.Y. - Hundreds of people here in western New York, all closing in on retirement, have learned a bitter lesson about pensions and the law that guarantees them.
Two years ago, their employer, the oil services giant Halliburton, unexpectedly started urging them to take their pensions early, warning that they would otherwise lose their right to take their benefits in a single check. The workers signed up to receive their money right away, but the money was much less than they had earlier been told they had coming. Confused and angry, some have sought to win back the remainder of their pensions, or at least to get an explanation of how Halliburton could legally reduce their benefits.
Today, what the workers find most distressing is that a law that is supposed to protect pensions has failed them.
On a professional basis, I became quite depressed about this whole thing," said Gene Moore, the former general counsel of the Halliburton unit that was affected, a joint venture known as Dresser-Rand. Mr. Moore, 56, resigned shortly before the pension controversy and was therefore not part of the group that lost benefits involuntarily. But he was concerned enough to spend months seeking possible legal remedies. Ultimately, he decided he was wasting his time.
"Built into the statutes now are clearly wrongs for which there is no punishment," said Mr. Moore, who now practices law in Houston. In an e-mail response to questions, Halliburton said, "Halliburton has honored its commitment to Dresser-Rand employees under the pension plan, followed the letter and spirit of the laws applicable to the plans, and made no profit related to the plan."
The company further stated that if any company had let the workers down, it was its former partner in the joint venture, Ingersoll-Rand. An Ingersoll-Rand spokesman, however, disputed that assertion. The case of the Olean workers is an illustration of a gaping hole in the nation's safety net. Tens of thousands of Americans are discovering, as they approach retirement, that money they were promised is not forthcoming. Some of the most prominent cases involve companies, like airlines, that are in severe financial distress and cannot keep their pension funds going. But others involve profitable companies, like Halliburton, that reduce anticipated benefits by tens of thousands of dollars even though their pension funds are healthy - and even though a 1974 federal law says pensions are guaranteed.
The law's protection, however, does not address a major feature of traditional pensions, the type known as defined-benefit pensions. Such pension plans allow workers to build up the biggest part of their benefit, by far, late in their careers. The rules require companies to pay into their pension plans years in advance on the assumption that older workers will stay and earn the big promised rewards. But if something then keeps workers from earning that part of their benefit, there will be extra money in the pension fund - a windfall, if a company can recover it, said Jeremy Gold, a New York-based independent consulting actuary
"This is a national problem," he said of the hidden risk such plans can pose to employees.
The type of benefit that the Olean workers lost is known as an early retirement subsidy. It gives employees the right to retire early with the same, or nearly the same, benefit as if they had worked straight through to age 65. Many companies have put such provisions into their pension plans as a way of easing workers out the door before they pass their prime.
As workers reach early retirement age, the subsidy becomes very valuable, accounting for as much as 60 percent of their total pension benefit. To keep companies from denying workers their benefits at this point, Congress amended the pension law in 1984, making it illegal to amend a plan to revoke early retirement subsidies when employees are close to claiming them.
But some companies have found a loophole in the law during mergers and spinoffs, pension advocates say.

Originally posted by Mozzy
btw, my grandfather is half indian. i think i can speak the name however i want.

and if you're so race conscious then why doesn't the title of the thread bother you?

Originally posted by Mozzy
mods please remove this post and ban the op. this is nothing but racist jargon based on the ops fear of said offenders.

had the op been stabbed, shot, impregnated, or otherwise harmed by said races the op would have stated it in his post.

Originally posted by Mozzy
mods please remove this post and ban the op. this is nothing but racist jargon based on the ops fear of said offenders.

had the op been stabbed, shot, impregnated, or otherwise harmed by said races the op would have stated it in his post.