Originally posted by Mozzy
your thread has meaning to it, but you are completely wrong about your statistics and findings. i ahven't checked the jail statistics in a few years but earlier this century it was about 40/40 black/white with a few minorites making up the rest.

young black males are very hostile, possibly more so than young white males. this is not a good statistic to make because you have to define what region/state you are discussing and the situations surrounding it.

as it stands you are.....completely racist......

otherwise, you're just ignorant. which is probably worse.

you are completely wrong. the numbers of african americans in jail is a ratio of 4:1 and it is fact. it has been in multiple text books that i have read for criminal justice. we also watched a documentary on some prisons and the number is 8 blacks per 1 white.. look where they come from though, africa isnt the most peaceful country

Originally posted by Swatman

Originally posted by Mozzy
your thread has meaning to it, but you are completely wrong about your statistics and findings. i ahven't checked the jail statistics in a few years but earlier this century it was about 40/40 black/white with a few minorites making up the rest.

young black males are very hostile, possibly more so than young white males. this is not a good statistic to make because you have to define what region/state you are discussing and the situations surrounding it.

as it stands you are.....completely racist......

otherwise, you're just ignorant. which is probably worse.

you are completely wrong. the numbers of african americans in jail is a ratio of 4:1 and it is fact. it has been in multiple text books that i have read for criminal justice. we also watched a documentary on some prisons and the number is 8 blacks per 1 white.. look where they come from though, africa isnt the most peaceful country

Jesus Christ. There is so much wrong with this post. For one, how many warlords in Africa come to America to get arrested for knocking over a liquor store? I guarantee you that the percentage of black people in prison who are FROM AFRICA (as in born there, moved here) starts with a ".000000000". Then you horribly contradict yourself, is it 4:1 or 8:1? Or are you trying to say that statistics are fallible, and that you didn't mean to use them as evidence? Then you CALL AFRICA A COUNTRY. That's right. A COUNTRY. I pray to god you're not trying to become a cop or judge (taking criminal justice courses), as you're probably borderline retarded.

Edit to say: OMG, I just saw your Username, you either ARE or are TRYING TO BE a cop!!!! TERRIBLE!!!

[edit on 4-12-2008 by LSDeviant]

Originally posted by Mozzy
as it stands you are.....completely racist......

Jesus this politically correct world is getting on my nerves.
Is it racist to present facts? If as you say, the number of white people in jail equals the number of black people in jail, then a much higher percentage of black people go to jail, as there are many more white americans. The fact that blacks keep up with whites against the odds says something. I'm not racist in the least, I'm a realist. You can cover your eyes and ignore the truth all you want, it doesn't change things.
Most black people I've known would even admit this fact...
But I guess the truth must be ignored if it in anyway offends someone.
Go back to you fairytale land. Hope you have fun there.

[edit on 4-12-2008 by TruthParadox]

I don't exactly have an answer for you, but I can tell you this. Being juged by white people still is getting freaking annoying. Why did white people kill all the Natives? Why did they make movies about it making it glamours taking others land, and killing them for attempting to defend it? Why did White people colonize so much of the world when they were wanted? It took revolts to get them out? Why is Hati still completely abondoned? It has been centuries since blacks revolted there, and they still don't receive much support from the rest of the world. I can tell you why their is so much crime in black communities. Its because we still get asked dumb a$$ racist questions. White people have many faults, but how many threads do you see posted about that? Since Obama has been elected I have seen more threads on this forum questining black people and there ways. How about this, you enslaved a race, killed them, spereated them from family, and completely destroyed their culture. After you free them, you still kill them chase them and let them know that they are nothing because they are black. You do this for 400 years. Maybe 20 years ago it became politically incorrect and everything is all of the sudden supposed to be fine now? I have a question about blacks in jail? How come if a black man kills a black man he might get 10 years, typically its more like 7. Let him be found with drugs and we give him 400 years...That doesn't seem right nor fair? How come white people could not let go of OJ? People get off of crimes all the time, but for some reason this was some type of big deal what was the difference here? White people have not only trained white people and all other races to hate black people, but they trained us to hate our self. Sorry original poster get a clue before you post. Think before you speak. I'm not saying that you have to know exactly what is wrong, but it isn't rocket science here. We have been oppressed for at least 400 years. The oppression just relaxed mind you not stopped in the last 20. We still have people dragging black people down the road till their head pops off. This country has been far from fair. Why don't you ask about the same statics in more fair countries like Canada for example in stead of asking what is wrong with me for being black? What is wrong with you for being white. Its 2008 and you are still invading countries and taking stuff over.

Originally posted by LSDeviant

Originally posted by Swatman

Originally posted by Mozzy
your thread has meaning to it, but you are completely wrong about your statistics and findings. i ahven't checked the jail statistics in a few years but earlier this century it was about 40/40 black/white with a few minorites making up the rest.

young black males are very hostile, possibly more so than young white males. this is not a good statistic to make because you have to define what region/state you are discussing and the situations surrounding it.

as it stands you are.....completely racist......

otherwise, you're just ignorant. which is probably worse.

you are completely wrong. the numbers of african americans in jail is a ratio of 4:1 and it is fact. it has been in multiple text books that i have read for criminal justice. we also watched a documentary on some prisons and the number is 8 blacks per 1 white.. look where they come from though, africa isnt the most peaceful country

Jesus Christ. There is so much wrong with this post. For one, how many warlords in Africa come to America to get arrested for knocking over a liquor store? I guarantee you that the percentage of black people in prison who are FROM AFRICA (as in born there, moved here) starts with a ".000000000". Then you horribly contradict yourself, is it 4:1 or 8:1? Or are you trying to say that statistics are fallible, and that you didn't mean to use them as evidence? Then you CALL AFRICA A COUNTRY. That's right. A COUNTRY. I pray to god you're not trying to become a cop or judge (taking criminal justice courses), as you're probably borderline retarded.

Edit to say: OMG, I just saw your Username, you either ARE or are TRYING TO BE a cop!!!! TERRIBLE!!!

[edit on 4-12-2008 by LSDeviant]

stop being politically correct. and no im not a cop and your lucky i guess. just because african americans werent born in africa does not mean they dont get traits from their ancestors that have come from africa. yes there is good and bad for every race but it seems to be more bad in the african american race. even in general people that are hardly educated seem to commit these crimes. But when black people are only 12% of the population and they are in prison at a ratio of 4:1 and white people are 80% of the population, you see, there is a problem here. and no it is not because police arrest black people more. it is just that they commit more crimes, and this is fact

I think the root cause is the rap influence and the "gangsta" influence, Rap has a major influence on young blacks, All the rap videos I see are all about guns, drugs, pimping, fighting, running from the cops, etc, Well if snoop dog carries a gun, then I better carry one too, Its this hole image that is portrayed in these rap videos, " Im black, im tough, Im a gansta." and gansters dress a certain way, act a certain way so I should act like that too.

Originally posted by Swatman
stop being politically correct. and no im not a cop and your lucky i guess. just because african americans werent born in africa does not mean they dont get traits from their ancestors that have come from africa. yes there is good and bad for every race but it seems to be more bad in the african american race. even in general people that are hardly educated seem to commit these crimes. But when black people are only 12% of the population and they are in prison at a ratio of 4:1 and white people are 80% of the population, you see, there is a problem here. and no it is not because police arrest black people more. it is just that they commit more crimes, and this is fact

There was nothing 'politically correct' about my previous post. It was just 'correct'. I'm part German; am I more likely to kill Jews wholesale than descendants of, say, China? I honestly believe that criminals commit crimes due to environmental factors, where they grew up, poverty, etc. I don't think it comes with the melanin that darkens the skin. I don't know if we'll ever see eye to eye on this.

And what do you mean, I'm lucky?
Edit to add: I don't dispute that there are a disproportionate number of young black men in prison. I only dispute the reasons for this.

[edit on 4-12-2008 by LSDeviant]

I really hate how people blame economics on thugs being thugs.
I have known in my lifetime plenty of white people who were poor and whom many would call "trailer trash" whom never resorted to crime.

How about the thugs (no matter what color they are) take responsibility for their own actions and how about everyone stop blaming economics.

Ive been poor at points in my life and I never stole a thing, never shot anyone, never did any criminal act.

Its really easy to not be a criminal, unless you have the mind of a criminal.

Also, how about all those thug football players we all hear about. They are extremely rich and they still act like criminal thugs.

Money or lack thereof doesnt make or break a criminal.

[edit on 4-12-2008 by inked up]

Lets start
Taken from homeland
100 million Africans die on way to slavery block
Familys broken up on auction block
Intelligent and Defiant men killed
Women raped
Children and Women worked to death.
100's of years later.
Looking at a white person = Death
Lynched , Murdered, Burned, Raped, Hate,Racism,Unhuman, Injustice,ETC.

Black Power = Black Impowerment = Self Reliance

Black leaders to help guide from the past = Murdered/Assasinated by whites

No more leaders = Hopelesness
Poverty,Racism,ETC
Goverment introduces Crack, Guns and Tons of Money to Poor = Escape from reality

White CEO will only support Black Arts which portray and support stereotypes
to encourage this new lifestyle of fast money = Hunger pains go away.

Having nothing to having everything available = Excess = Illustion

You do the math



Example

White man robs bank to feed kids - Heroic Tear Jerker
Black man robs bank to feed kids - Low Life Criminal Urban

For the topics here to be "SO DEEP" sometimes you guys sound so simple minded



[edit on 4-12-2008 by magnetik]

Originally posted by magnetik
Lets start
Taken from homeland
100 million Africans die on way to slavery block
Familys broken up on auction block
Intelligent and Defiant men killed
Women raped
Children and Women worked to death.
100's of years later.
Looking at a white person = Death
Lynched , Murdered, Burned, Raped, Hate,Racism,Unhuman, Injustice,ETC.

Black Power = Black Impowerment = Self Reliance

Black leaders to help guide from the past = Murdered/Assasinated by whites

No more leaders = Hopelesness
Poverty,Racism,ETC
Goverment introduces Crack, Guns and Tons of Money to Poor = Escape from reality

White CEO will only support Black Arts which portray and support stereotypes
to encourage this new lifestyle of fast money = Hunger pains go away.

Having nothing to having everything available = Excess = Illustion

You do the math



Example

White man robs bank to feed kids - Heroic Tear Jerker
Black man robs bank to feed kids - Low Life Criminal Urban

For the topics here to be "SO DEEP" sometimes you guys sound so simple minded

[edit on 4-12-2008 by magnetik]

Oh yes, lets put the blame on something that happened a hundred years ago. BOOHOO! Get over it. Stand up, be responsible moral men and take responsiblity for your (in general) actions and stop blaiming people of today for what happened hundred years ago to people they dont even know!

And please show me one place where people were sympathic to a white man robbing a bank. Show me!!

And I will say this. I have black friends (rich and poor) and none of them blame white people for anything and none of them act like thugs.

Crime is a choice. Lifestyle and behaviors are a choice.

[edit on 4-12-2008 by inked up]