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reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:35 AM by budski
reply to post by LoneWeasel


My own personal opinion coincides with yours - it's wrong for a child to marry, and I believe this is a very good progression on the part of most countries, and yet as I've shown children as young as 13 are allowed to marry in at least 1 US state
I also happen to be against arranged marriages as well, but that's hardly the point.

We do far too much finger pointing - do you think these countries would be happier if their people had access to celebrity mags, and porn channels on satelite TV, hard drugs and enough alcohol to blind themselves?

If jackson is serious about this, I hope it brings him the peace he appears to need - if not, then he's made himself a very big stick to be hit with.


reply posted on 21-11-2008 @ 11:35 AM by 44soulslayer
reply to post by budski


I guess this stems from the fact that certain policies which were changed in the West were percieved as a correction of past injustices.

Would you defend slavery if Arabs owned black people in modern times; simply by dismissing it against the West previously owning slaves?

What we in the West percieve as past wrongs are also extrapolated to other countries; and if they still indulge in them then we judge them. Thats pretty much just the nature of the West.

Child marriage is much the same. I dont think that its malice can simply be dismissed as being another culture and therefore immune from criticism. Neither can it be dismissed just because it occured at some point in the past in the West.

How about women being barred from driving? Or stoned to death after being raped? Or honour killing? Are these beyond reproach simply because they occur in another land, under someone else's watch?

Arabia is advanced in some spheres as you rightly say- education, law and order are well maintained in their countries. They are a hospitable, intelligent people by and large; but some things are still dubious. I have no doubt that Saudi Arabia would be significantly more advanced if they rejected the Wahhabi sect of Islamic doctrine, and became more moderate.

I look at Arabia and by my moral compass (which is by no means totally in line with the traditional Western morals), and I see a land which is backward in some respects. Arabia is extremely pragmatic in some respects, but extremely backwards in others. This is my opinion- Im not going to go over there and force them to comply with what I think.

Nonetheless I will not respect Arabia as a region unless some things change... If you call me prejudiced for that, so be it.


reply posted on 22-11-2008 @ 03:31 AM by megabyte
Originally posted by 44soulslayer
reply to post by budski


Perhaps Im just being thick.

How is a marriage contract which is subsequently completed any better than "unsolicited" paedophilia?

The child is equally abused in both situations.


ps: Even if such arrangements were practised in other parts of the world, they currently are not. The onus of evidence is on you to prove otherwise. Your criticism that I am prejudiced is bang on in this case... I dislike the culture of Saudi Arabia vehemently.

[edit on 21-11-2008 by 44soulslayer]


the arranged marriages are not always ones that wait for the child bride to be of age because there is no age of consent in islam

it is commont to have brides age 7 having sex with their husband who is likelyy to be an old man


thighing a baby is ok in islam so long as she is your wife and add to that temporary marriages for quick sexual satisfaction

www.faithfreedom.org...

www.topix.com...


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 12:04 PM by angel of lightangelo
Originally posted by Foppezao


You mean apart from their inspiring leader mohammed how married Aisha aged 6 or 7? [who was said to be his "favorite"]

en.wikipedia.org...

www.light-of-life.com...




Sigh. I have already covered this at length but for you, I can give you the quick version.

Pedophilia - sexual attraction to PRE-pubescent children.

Muhammed did not consumate his marriage until his bride had reached purberty. I will be back with more details for ya later when you post some other anti-muslim site as evidence but for now, I just proved Muhammed was not a pedophile.

P.S. I did say use a muslim source to show me where they practice pedophilia. Could not find one eh?


[edit on 23-11-2008 by angel of lightangelo]


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 12:07 PM by LittlePinky82
Originally posted by Ign0rant
reply to post by sunny_2008ny


I truly hope it works out for him. He needs some peace in his life.

-Ign0RanT


So true. If that's his way of finding peace than good for him.


reply posted on 23-11-2008 @ 01:01 PM by angel of lightangelo
reply to post by Foppezao


I hope some info from real Muslims helps.

"First off, Islam prohibits arranged marriages in the meaning that a spouse is chosen for you and you have no choice. The only type of arrangement would be if 2 families know each other and have children that may be interested in marrying, then arrangements are made. But if the son or daughter is not interested in marrying they should not be forced to do so. It seems like westerners cannot distinguish between cultural practices and religious ones. Some people practice forced arranged marriages, but that's an ignorant cultural practice that has no basis in our religion.


Secondly, the age of consent is the age of puberty. Puberty distinguishes childhood from adulthood, however there is no religious text that requires marriage as soon as puberty is reached. Furthermore the old man - young girl story is more of a myth than reality. This guy posts this so "matter of factly" that it leaves one to conclude he is so ignorant that he probably thinks Jesus spoke english too or he is blatantly lying. Our prophet encouraged us to marry people of strong faith and practice, and have plentiful children and live with one another in peace and happiness. These people try to make us out as oppressive but the it is opposite rather.


Lastly, temporary marriages are forbidden in Islam. It was a practice that existed in the early days of Islam and it was later prohibited by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). The only group who has permitted this practice is the shia, who have greater problems than this issue. In short, the shia are like catholics, they worship shrines of dead "righteous" people and they have many core beliefs that clearly contradict the Qur'an and statements of the Prophet. Their founder was a Jew from Yemen who sought to destroy Islam from within, similar to the story of Paul and how he created a new religion, but that's another long topic."

I would not go to a plumber to explain my car to me, you should not let Christians explain Islam to you.

[edit on 23-11-2008 by angel of lightangelo]
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