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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:26 AM
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I thought that too, perhaps if the licensing deal wasn't so expensive you could have had Mickey Mouse running against Donald Duck.




posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:31 AM
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I completely disagree with the OP.
The thread title should be Welcome to the UKGA the

United Kingdom of Great America

to look into the future just look what has happened in England over the past 10 years.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:35 AM
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Well I'll look at this on the bright side.

Atleast my Aussie Dollar will be worth two american Dollars before the end of the next year..lolz

Welcome to the 3rd World USA..


Sorry, that was a joke.. Some ppl prolly' didn't think so though ao I'll add this..

I really don't think it'll be that bad. With Higher tax rates, you will most likely get slightly higher wages. I think it will all balance out in the long run.

But if it dose'nt.... Well you can always get on a refugee boat & head for Europe or Australia or make your way to the Canadian Border.


[edit on 11/5/2008 by Ironclad]



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:38 AM
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More and more long time Americans are seeing the benefit of shorter work weeks to compensate for the increases in technology...

Some people LOVE working 60 hour weeks. I used to be in the US navy and I worked in submarines. I had an officer aboard the ship who was there ALL THE TIME working. Because he LOVED IT. He kept his family on the "main land" (this was in Hawai'i) with excuse to that they had to be moved and were going to do that without him there... he missed them as all people do when away from their family, but secretly he just loved being able to be himself.

I would go to the ship at 2 a.m. to check on paper work when no one was up to bother me and he's be there
and usually was doing something for the crew or to further his occupational knowledge. He is the only person in the world I would vote for to be president, and he is a full-on "black" American. But anyways!


Socialism is cool but what about the people who WANT to work long hours? How can they work if everything is shut down? Oh, hobbies? Maybe...learn to be a blacksmith or a farmer for fun/work? Hmm...
Socialism is good - National Socialism is not the same as socialism as applied in Holland or anywhere else...



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:40 AM
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There is no doubt about it the Patriot Act, Fisa, Homeland Security and how the TSA run the airports are all systemic of a troubling trend that denigrates human rights and fosters and perpetuates a society of fear.

I don't fight these things but when I can I simply avoid and boycott them, I will drive or take a boat. The reality if people refused to participate in a system that demishes them, and even villifies them, well...why would they change the system, why wouldn't they just keep chipping away.

That ultimately leads to one of two possible outcomes:

A. Some straw that breaks the camels back and calls all of it into question.
B. Total compliance.

Believe me if people just stopped using air travel no matter what the personal call researchers would be on the phones inquiring don't you think?

Businesses imperilled through a lack of congeniality and customer service and a pleasant customer experience would lobby harder and more effectively towards government change than a random letter to a congressman.

People, societies, generally end up with what they are prepared to be accepting of.

They are always going to see safety in numbers and wander with and to the herd.

Doesn't mean some Native Americans aren't stampeding them towards a cliff though.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:42 AM
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Honestly if AU were a ull Socialist country, I wouldn't care if I could onl earn 40Billion & then got cut off.

That would be enough to keep me compfy for a while..



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:45 AM
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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:49 AM
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Why can you not understand that you have what you have?
That is much better than most people on this earth, ever get?
The better man won.
Was it fixed?
Probably.
But this time you will never prove it.
Here are some options for living a good free life.

1.Don't tell lies.

2.Be happy to be persecuted for not telling lies.

3.Don't kill people, don't even think about doing it, don't let your thoughts gravitate towards it, only if your life is directly threatened, and even then you should consider giving up yours, as if you take a life you WILL be eventually responsible for it.

4.When you see the bad in someone, clearly evident everyday on this earth, try and find the good in them, remember they once were a baby, a human life, a respected joyous thing that people loved and wanted.

5.Look around you once in a while, look at what is here and see it for what it really is, a beautiful thing that cant be replicated into a plastic clone, and that it is so short you barely even get to work it out before its gone.

6.You will end up where everyone else did and/or does, accept it, you are destined for there too, there is a system in regards to this, understand that while you are here.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 03:56 AM
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As uncomfortable as the idea of a somewhat more "socialist" society in the US may be, I believe that a shift to the "left" is inevidable. I think the entire world will lean toward a more "socialist" mindset to offset the corporate mindset.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:05 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Spread the wealth? I'd like to keep my own wealth, such as it is, for myself thanks...I don't need the gov't. to take care of me, been doing it for a long time now.

but the voters have, in resounding fashion, spoken...so I will hope that President Obama becomes the greatest President our nation's ever known. I have reservations, but will watch and "hope".




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:09 AM
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dont panic politions are liers *snip* eat his own words a pupet in a suit



 

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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:25 AM
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you say you dont want a hand out but you want petrol to be cheap etc, do you know how much petrol in the states is subsidised by the U.S. government.... Heaps. quit yo jibba jabba fool, you aint hurt!



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:38 AM
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I don't understand this labeling of Obama as a socialist. He is cutting taxes for everyone making under $250,000 a year, and if you make more than that your paying a little higher than you did when Bill Clinton was in office. You don't need to be "scared" or "upset" he is just giving the middle class a chance to get a stronghold. Average middle class americans are the ones who spend money and build the economy, most of the rich have there money over seas.

Because of Obama I will have the ability to get healthcare for the first time in my adult life that is one of many reasons I voted for him. Give him a chance, we gave Bush 2!



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:47 AM
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Originally posted by gizmohd


...hard work actually means something... where family matters. ..Welcome to the economic enslavement of the entire nation... I will be punished by higher tax rates. ... Gone is the American dream.... a single father raising two children without any help... I worked 60 hour work weeks while going to school full time in the evenings while my children were toddlers giving up precious time with them in order to earn my college degree... But now, when Obama removes the Bush tax cuts, my taxes will increase, ... we vote our freedoms away



What paranoid reactionary sour grapes. Maybe a few more specifics might make your proud tale a bit more believable.

When was the last time hard work meant getting ahead? The wealth is in the hands of the speculators and money lenders. Hard work is what is what the majority do just to keep their heads above water month to month.

The economic enslavement began with Bush's War, and his trillions in debt, and this latest "Bailout". Blame your higher taxes on the $100 billion a year war.

Oh, you are making over $200,000 a year? Well, pay up those taxes buddy, and don't loop hole out on us! You would pay about $70,000 in tax if you were in Canada. Now you pay about $40,000 tops. So, how does coughing up another $10,000-$30,000 ruin your dream? Break out the violins! Your taxes are going up and it will be public school for the kids and no summer home. Just so The USA can have universal health care and move up from 28th in the world for infant mortality.

Families come in all kinds of forms and styles, Some have 2 mommies, some have 2 daddies, some have one parent, some have no kids; they could all use some encouragement. It is the economic demands of the age that stresses families.

Worried about "green" policies and carbon taxes? Republican Gov. Schwarzenegger was visiting British Columbia this year praising the rightist provincial government here for implementing a carbon tax on fossil fuels that will be about $0.30 a gallon by 2012. We don't like it, and we all know it is inflationary, but we have to move away from fossil fuels.

Socialism is not akin to communism. Your hard earned education taught you that they are the same? Some degree of socialism is what the majority of people in modern democratic societies all over the world choose to implement to improve the quality of life for everyone in their country. Communism is non-democratic totalitarian rule, as is fascism. So you do not like what the vast majority of the USA is choosing? You would rather, what? Maybe you would prefer if the old patterns continue and democracy is suspended or ignored? Maybe just until many of the miss informed left wingers smarten up? Sounds fascist.

Freedoms were voted away with Bush! Bush is the big supporter of taking away the rights of US citizens. Privacy rights, freedom of speech, and the erosion of basic human rights has happened under Bush under the excuse of combating terror.

So you are a veteran, you had to work 60 hr weeks, school in the evenings. How does that fit with putting family first? Sounds as though you chose to pursue your career rather than be there for your kids. How does money, toys, the house, private school, & those things your career buys make up for not being there for years? Hope you had grandma or auntie to help. So the kids had some family to whom to get close. Maybe you all would have been better off had you chosen to rent, worry about getting the transmission in the beater fixed, with the modest working class job, and been there for your kids.

Just sour grapes. Let's all read those positive threads about giving Gov. and President Elect Obama a chance. Bet he puts together a bi-partisan, centrist team, and helps your country.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:57 AM
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Originally posted by grover
Well it didn't take long for the piss and vinegar crowd to get going huh?

Just can't find it in yourselves to be as gracious as McCain was can you?

Prayers for Mr. Obama's well being and guidance are more applicable now... that is unless you have so sort of vested interest in division.

This is a historic moment for America. Suck it up.


McCain had to be gracious on the tv in front of millions, bet he said a few blue words behind the scenes. And seems to me if everyone was all happy and giving high fives someone would say "where are the nay sayers". All opinions allowed...or so I thought.

Obama wasn't my choice but I wish him well and hope I get to keep some of my hard earned money for myself and my American dreams.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 04:58 AM
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Let's get real guys. Bush was part of the same political system that Obama is part of. They have removed moderation and common sense from the hands of the people.
The only change we will get is who gets to bilk us out of our hard earned income this time. A socialist agenda or a capitalist one. Neither are in the best interest of the hard working, honest taxpayers.
They take from the achievers to buy votes from the sellouts. Then they line their own pockets by selling those votes to the rich.
Politicians, rich, elites, special interests and sellouts have betrayed the taxpayers and have gotten away with it. Now they will vote themselves rich with money you and I work hard to earn.
We are the new minority. It is a minority that many of the jubilant and angry both don't realize they are in. We will need to recognize this and actually overcome racial, religious and political differences to come together and save this country from the lies and manipulations of the last 30-40 years.
Taxpayers unite.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:00 AM
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God, the majority of the people on this thread should go to acting school!

I have never seen so many paranoid drama queens in one place at one time.

President Obama won and the nation chose him through democracy. If you can't accept the peoples democratic choice, then you're in the wrong place my friend.

I don't know why we have so many Blossom Goodchilds aswell, making profound future predictions with NOTHING to back them up but paranoia. You people are spreading fear not wisdom, insight or knowledge, can you not see how stupid you sound?

I have lost a lot of respect for certain members in this thread and I think some people need to grow up and accept the decision the people have made.





posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:00 AM
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"Oh, you are making over $200,000 a year? Well, pay up those taxes buddy, and don't loop hole out on us! You would pay about $70,000 in tax if you were in Canada. Now you pay about $40,000 tops. So, how does coughing up another $10,000-$30,000 ruin your dream? Break out the violins! Your taxes are going up and it will be public school for the kids and no summer home. Just so The USA can have universal health care and move up from 28th in the world for infant mortality."


Actually if you made 200,000 as a self-employed 1040SC Form and 1040SE you would pay around 85,000 in tax and get no medicaire, social security, or workmans comp or unemployment for it.

I hope I posted your quote right? Sorry if I didn't.

Congradulations on your candidate's victory!

I am wishing him and us all the luck in the world.

 

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posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:01 AM
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Yeah, we actually might become an inclusive society, terrible news for all the exploiters.



posted on Nov, 5 2008 @ 05:04 AM
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I am thrilled we have a choice in America but I don't have to like who won. People just want to say how they feel, doesnt make them drama queens.

Bet there is a lot of gloating and "I told you so's" going on in other threads, do they get chastised too?

Seems lots of lessons to be learned.

And despite my opinions I wish Obama well and still respect the office of the the president.




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