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reply posted on 2-11-2008 @ 09:57 AM by Rockpuck
reply to post by NovusOrdoMundi



Do you realize how much it would affect the election if all of that 30% voted for ONE third party candidate, as opposed to four of them? Why split up our votes and accomplish nothing when we could all pile on one candidate and accomplish something?


Third parties are too radical.

For instance:

Libertarians and Constitutionalists are twin siblings of the Ultra Right Wing Conservative. Constitutionalists imo are a bit more Socially Conservative, where as the Libertarian is supposed to be 100% indifferent to social ideologies. (if the Gov has no say in it leave it alone)

Socialist are open Democrats and Republicans who admit what they are.. which is why no one will vote for them because the word Socialist makes people uncomfortable..

So why would I as a Libertarian vote for ANYONE other then my candidate? .. why should I vote for a Socialist? .. Or the Green Party if I stand no where near those ideologies...

People supported Ron Paul because he was a charming speaker.. he spoke "truth" in laymans terms..

But he was a hardcore Conservative, a member of the Ultra Right Wing philosophies...

Ron Paul supporters voting for Obama or even McCain is mind blowing.. and it highlights the extent of Ignorance in this country.


reply posted on 2-11-2008 @ 09:59 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Rockpuck


I cast my vote to Libertarian but most certainly am not an Ultra Right Wing Conservative. Neither is it true that other Libertarians see themselves that way.


reply posted on 2-11-2008 @ 10:09 AM by Rockpuck
reply to post by Skyfloating


....Tell me then..

How can you claim NOT to be ultra "Right Wing" (Government conservative) when you openly support things like...

Reduced centralized power..
Increased State Rights
Issolationism
Ending Income Tax
Ending Medicare
Ending Social Security
Ending Wellfare
Ending all government subsidies for religion, race, sexuality, income, anything at all ..
Ending all funding for the various alphabet soup agencies..

Just to name a few..

Conservative means:

con·serv·a·tive /kənˈsɜrvətɪv/
Pronunciation[kuhn-sur-vuh-tiv] –adjective
1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change.

Means to abide by the Constitution, and DO NOT DEVIATE from that document.

Conservative does not have jack to do with "jesus" or morality, or what church you go to, or any of the BS people have been fed.

A REAL conservative would tell you that # shouldn't even be argued as the Government has no say in any of that anyways!

So yes, on the scale of "How conservative are you" .. in the far left would be Republicans, the ignorant jesus praying socialist that they are, and then far to the right, just a itty bitty bit before Anarchy, would be Libertarianism.

There is a difference between

Social Conservative
and
Conservative

Social Conservatives, for the most part, are socialist who are socially conservative, making most Fascist.


reply posted on 2-11-2008 @ 10:15 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Rockpuck


Yes. Non-intervention, non-welfare, non-socialism is supported by most liberatarians.

But we also have a lot of liberal values...especially toward sex, drugs, race, and in wanting to get religion out of politics.

[edit on 2-11-2008 by Skyfloating]


reply posted on 2-11-2008 @ 10:22 AM by seagull
reply to post by LowLevelMason


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Not to worry LLM...you all make up for it with your willingness to keep up the fight...

You concervative types, of which I am one, by the bye, make a bit more noise per capita, so it all balances out in the end...




As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.




reply posted on 2-11-2008 @ 10:23 AM by Skyfloating
reply to post by Rockpuck


Alright...in the original meaning of the word conservative, you´re right.

But definitions have changed.
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