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Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by PaddyInf
Paddy, you have a very good point about the effectiveness of a line company and their tactics against a small, unprepared villiage.
Here's the thing. I was trained in Special Forces, carried four MOS's (specialties), served in two Ranger companies, and fought in combat while attached to the First Cav.
While I do respect the abilities of a line company, that was never my area of operations. We in SF and the Rangers took on enemy line companies, vastly undermanned, and used every dirty trick in the book, and even came up with a few of our own.
While untrained civilians would not fare well against a well-trained line company, one has to realize that we have far too many people in this country for our military to overwhelm.
Conventional forces while formidable, can be beaten by much smaller forces who maintain their mobility, never spend two meals in the same place, maximize speed, quickness, and anticipate conventional forces' tendencies to follow easily anticipated lines of approach.
In Special Forces, we trained others on weapons, tactics, and unit cohesion. Pissed-off civilians with a bit of rudimentary training are quite effective and when fighting for their homeland and more specifically their loved ones, are quite vicious.
We have a lot of good, armed, patriotic men here. Our military if such a deed were attempted, would walk right into a chainsaw. And the more they would kill, the more dedicated and more furious the resistance.
How many in countries who don't have personal firearm capabilities, have in the past or present, relied in part or in whole on the US to help protect not only your borders, but your way of life?...
...We Americans don't only fight for ourselves. We fight for ideals. Even yours.
Originally posted by dooper
reply to post by PaddyInf
While in combat our kill ratio ranged between 100-150:1, those indigent forces we trained had a kill ratio of 30:1 against these enemy line companies and regiments. That's because they were fighting on their terrain, their terms, where they chose, when they chose. For indigent forces, these are very respectable numbers.
Originally posted by BlackOps719
reply to post by Merriman Weir
You grossly underestimate the fighting spirit of the American people, just as they will.
Better to die on your feet than to live on your knees. Some of us would prefer death to complete and total enslavement. Maybe you will be happy living as a lap dog to your masters, licking their boots and begging for the crumbs from their table.
Meanwhile the rest of us will do what every generation has done before us when faced with tyranny and oppression at the hands of a rogue state. We will revolt and we will fight back with any means necessary. Win or lose, death is better than the alternative.
Sure there will be many who will gladly lay down and submit to their overlords, just as many Americans were loyalists to the King of England. There will be many Benedict Arnolds in the ranks, but there will also be many Patrick Henry's and Thomas Jeffersons. People who are willing to fight and die for a cause more noble and more important than themselves.
Im not here to try and change your mind or anyone elses,
I know which side I am on. Perhaps you would fall into the group who would say "take away my rights but feed and clothe me". Well that to me is a defeatist attitude and is not within my protocol to believe that way.
Best of luck to you and your countrymen, hopefully everyone in the UK doesnt subscribe to the same hopeless belief system. If so then your nation is truly in shambles and simply a well fed chicken waiting to be plucked.
Originally posted by CreeWolf
reply to post by BlackOps719
Imagine what would have happened if those crazy indians had guns. I mean, every one of them. And, every European!
I think everyone should be REQUIRED to carry a gun. A little education, and current laws still in place, would YOU try to mug someone probably carrying a gun? Would you try to rob them if you thought they had a gun stashed away for defense?
I feel sorry for Brits. Hundreds of years of tradition went down the toilet with no more Fox hunts. Australia, how's that kangaroo population working out for ya?
Originally posted by givemeliberty or beer
reply to post by Merriman Weir
BTW,going gun shopping today, anything you want?
Originally posted by givemeliberty or beer
reply to post by Merriman Weir
Yep, that's the same thing King Goerge thought 232 years ago. Us pitiful Americans have no idea how to fight.
Here in America, if you don't like guns, you don't have to buy any.
The point is, you guys across the pond have allowed decades of media and government brainwashing to lose your most basic, human right to defend yourselves.
Guns are used in America to murder somewhere in the range of 15k per year. Our population is 300 million. Guns are used to STOP crime about 4 million times a year. I'll leave you to do the percentage math.