The "up-to-the-minute Market Data" thread

reply to post by cpdaman


o.. i was talking to that other poster.. im sure you do my friend lol

reply to post by GreenBicMan


It is a large sum of money. (My parents died --- I liquidated the assets, and the money came to me in this way.) There were properties involved.

I have lost 1/3 of what I invested, which is a relatively large sum. I feel like crap about it. I'm ashambed. I don't want to lose the rest. But if there is a chance I could at least get closer to the amount I put in...that would be great.

Over the last 18 months, the money lost is in six figures. I hate even thinking about it. But I've got to focus on this and try to decide what to do. If I get out now, for sure I will have a big loss. But if I wait....do you guys think maybe things are looking up....at least until August?

I'm willing to take my chances a while longer. As I said, it jumped up a good bit last month, I haven't checked it in about three weeks. Shoot.

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


OK,

you need to talk to a CFP/CRPC

GET OFF THIS BOARD!!!

Seriously,

I am being your best friend ever giving you this advice

Please, get off this board, contact a CFP/CRPC

You will thank me down the line, perhaps even send me a BDAY card!

Good luck to you ma'am

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
This is a MONSTER thread, and I can't begin to read it all. I have lost about 1/3 almost 1/2 of my money in the stock market. Last month I recovered some.

Should I let it sit, now? Or get out since I have some of it back? If I do get out now, I will still have sustained a substantial loss. My broker is a liar.

Should I wait and see if I can recover some more? Honestly, if I could just get it back up to my original investment, I wouldn't care. Don't know what to think or do. Any suggestions? Anyone? Can anyone advise on this with just these generalizations, without more detailed information? I don't want to lose everything.....

Ladyinwaiting, you can buy some puts 2 months out if you are worried so you can lock in these prices rather than risk anything. These markets are definitely treacherous.

perhaps the obama admin will have a put in the waiting VIA some arm of PPT .......they don't want to be seen as a failure and they don't seem to play by the rules regarding contracts.....



[edit on 1-6-2009 by cpdaman]

reply to post by GreenBicMan


Well that's not very good fellowship! Alright. I'll go.

I like you guys though. All of you.

I may lurk now and again, though.

....and you......have a happy birthday.

:clwndng: this was suppose to be a clown dancing for your birthday, but I think you will just have to imagine it.

[edit on 1-6-2009 by ladyinwaiting]

reply to post by ladyinwaiting


Yes, please, lurk, you will learn things.

I have sent you a message.

Right Now...

Invest in Commodities....

With the $ tanking...they will ALL see a "ramp"...

Not good for consumers...

BUT...is this rally really about US?

Why would Oil start it's "Trek" back up? The declining $ you say?

Listen to Red...

It's now SUPPLY destruction...

Just like the depression...look it up...

To many houses...Bull-doze 'em...

To much Oil...sink it...

I'll try to find that "ultimate depression" article...

[edit on 6/1/2009 by Hx3_1963]

Well.. futures looking ok..

Here is the chart..

I added some info.... that correlates with my previous posts


Dow Jones Future Contracts Real Time 12:07PM EST

reply to post by GreenBicMan
Yer good at "Market Mentality"...

But...

Where are these gains?

What the HELL are they "basing" these "gains" on?

You might "read" a chart ok...but, come on...

Unless yer "Daddy" is in a "upper-echelon" spot...

He'll be like the "rest of us"

reply to post by Hx3_1963


Hes not upper echelon lol

he has been in the market for 30 years though, and prob. has a high genius level IQ.. just not a people person.. lol

And what are you talking about gains?

Like the gains (profits?) in equities behind their moves?

Well, there doesn't have to be any.. the market is all perceived information.. the market was discounted remember for failure a few months ago.. now that big money has shorted all retail out its back to pricing it correctly, its back to prices based on 6-18 months in the future

This is how the market works, as I'm guessing you already know, you seem like one of the more intelligent people on this thread.

Remember, this whole website and 99% of the MSM was telling you we would all be dressed in commie red, or living out of cans with not even a fishing pole.. fending for ourselves with the "Dale Dribbles" of the world..

I cant stress enough, the market was priced out for failure, now that we know that isn't going to happen, the market is being priced out 6-18 months into the future.

IMO man, I don't think this is debatable (about pricing for future) as the market is a leading indicator.

Originally posted by GreenBicMan
the market is all perceived information.. the market was discounted remember for failure a few months ago.. now that big money has shorted all retail out its back to pricing it correctly, its back to prices based on 6-18 months in the future

This is how the market works, as I'm guessing you already know, you seem like one of the more intelligent people on this thread.

Correction, this is how the market is working NOW, this is NOT how the market is supposed to work.

But again, you are too young to remember what is USED to be like & you have no inclination to study the past of the market & learn about it.

Remember, this whole website and 99% of the MSM was telling you we would all be dressed in commie red, or living out of cans with not even a fishing pole.. fending for ourselves with the "Dale Dribbles" of the world..

That's an awfully broad statement there, can you back it up at all, or is that just your "reader's digest condensed version" of what you perceive you have been told?

I cant stress enough, the market was priced out for failure, now that we know that isn't going to happen, the market is being priced out 6-18 months into the future.

IMO man, I don't think this is debatable (about pricing for future) as the market is a leading indicator.

No, we do NOT KNOW that it isn't going to happen, have you paid any attention to the reports coming out from China on Geithner's visit there? About how the flat out said, show us the math?

Apparently with the rest of your neglected studies, other cultures was in the list. The Chinese are known for their subtlety - for being extremists in understatement.

With that information alone, can you start to comprehend just HOW UPSET they are over what our .gov & the Fed are doing right now?

They have clearly said, DO NOT COUNT on China to buy anymore of your debt. They have already been unloading as much long term US debt as they possibly can & are buying the 13-26 week bills.

They have had it & they do not trust the people in this administration to work out our economic problems in a way that will be successful.

The bond market is already in the early stages of dislocation

The dollar is getting even weaker

The market HAS NOT priced any of this out for 16-18-24 months & if you THINK it has, you are utterly delusional.

But we already know that much, don't we

It may not come to a head this summer and maybe not even this fall, but I PROMISE YOU, what the .gov & FED are doing is going to fail & it will fail in a very fugly way.

We have 2 futures, extreme greatest depression or World War

Which one would you rather have, esp since you are of the draft age?

Natural gas is down around 2% in Asia. That has become pretty volatile which is making options more expensive.

Auto sales and pending home sales are tomorrow.

Factory orders and change in ADP employment is on Wednesday.

Both days are important.

Will Q2 earnings provide a back stop to this rally or will things be better than expected again? Companies did provide analysts with a gruesome outlook for q2 as well. One thing for sure is that the markets wil not and cannot move vertically forever like it has been doing on less worse news.

Also banks...they were the laggards today and have taken a back seat to industrials, materials and commodities. They began this rally and they cannot be forgotten if this rally will continue.

When hasnt the market been a leading indicator?

IMO, the market never lies to you.

Its not lying to you now.

Its tell you what is up.

Just like it didn't balk to H1N1 etc.. (not saying that its not important, but not what the MSM and some members on this board would make it out to seem like)

Now thats fine if you argue differently.

I am continuously correct in my assumptions.

If things happened different in the past, that is the past, I don't deal in the past, I deal in the present.

If you think the market is going to go how the economy is currently, well you are lying to yourself.

But, again, I am just a young unexperienced kid, that called the market bottom within 450 points on the dow.

I am just an young "wet behind the ears kid" that "amazingly" continues to make great calls.

Yep.


I guess, once more *suprisingly* we agree to disagree mr. hatty - thats cool though like I said I dont mind, I dont mind your opinion at all.

But you seem to mind mine quite a bit. For some reason, cant understand why though, if im an idiot, just ignore me, seriously. but i hope you dont.

Originally posted by RetinoidReceptor
Natural gas is down around 2% in Asia. That has become pretty volatile which is making options more expensive.

Auto sales and pending home sales are tomorrow.

Factory orders and change in ADP employment is on Wednesday.

Both days are important.

Will Q2 earnings provide a back stop to this rally or will things be better than expected again? Companies did provide analysts with a gruesome outlook for q2 as well. One thing for sure is that the markets wil not and cannot move vertically forever like it has been doing on less worse news.

Also banks...they were the laggards today and have taken a back seat to industrials, materials and commodities. They began this rally and they cannot be forgotten if this rally will continue.

yeah, natty gas was up 10% THOUGH TODAY lol..

hope it stays above 4.00 on the futures.. psych. level

EDIT:

Retnoid, wow, exactly what my dad said about the banks.. when he was referring to when the market was sick.. u 2 think the same apparently

[edit on 2-6-2009 by GreenBicMan]

Originally posted by redhatty

We have 2 futures, extreme greatest depression or World War

Which one would you rather have, esp since you are of the draft age?

I agree with you redhatty that things will take a turn for the worst again. But in GBM's defense, he is reporting just on what the present market is doing and trying to predict what it will do tomorrow or the next day. He is playing the short term casino aspect of the markets. He has already said that he doesn't know anything about economics or finance and doesn't really care about it.

I think the debt has just gotten too big. The chinese told Geithner that they do not support the government inflated themselves out of debt. This is their ONLY option unless they want to tax us more (though isn't that what inflation is after all?)

reply to post by GreenBicMan


I do not like you, you are right.

I think you are uneducated & a danger to people who know even less than you who lurk this thread, because, heaven forbid, they actually listen to you.

You are not continuously right, you just claim you are.

Just like, no matter how many times & how many people have told you DO NOT GIVE TA on this thread, you still do, hence your most recent warn.

Whatever your narcissistic personality gets from this thread, I do not want to know, but I have seen your type too many times in life & there is always the one theme, you are dangerous to those who are around you.

Even if you THINK you are only helping.

Sorry to say it, but you really give the youth of today a bad image.

But your personality type doesn't even care about that, now does it?

More lurkers should carefully read your sig line, that is the only truth you have placed in this thread.

Originally posted by GreenBicMan
When hasnt the market been a leading indicator?

IMO, the market never lies to you.

The market really isn't always a leading indicator. It sometimes dislocates from the real economy and goes off on a tangent. That is what happened during the Great Depression. It kept making new highs when the economy began falling apart. Contrary to popular belief, the stock crash did not cause the Great Depression. It crashed in response to a mini depression and in turn led to the development of the Great Depression.

Originally posted by ladyinwaiting
Honestly, if I could just get it back up to my original investment, I wouldn't care.

Let it ride until around the 1st of August, and by then if I have my money back, or am even closer to having my money back, then sell it and get out of this nerve-wrecking, insomnia inducing, nightmare I have been in for the last year? I do want it before five years. I want to pay off my home mortgage, among other things.

But if there is a chance I could at least get closer to the amount I put in...that would be great.

Hi ladyinwaiting. Not to appear rude , I truly empathize with your situation (you have every right to feel emotional) , but holding a losing position hoping to break-even , and making investment decisions based on emotion are two of the Investors Seven Deadly Sins...especially in this market.

In the Great Depression , the market lost 90% , eventually bottoming in 1932. Did you know that stocks didn't realize their previous high until 1955? That's 23 yrs. IMO , our current economic/market situation could ultimately reveal itself to be at least as severe.

However no one can tell you where the market is headed near-term with any certainty , because no one really knows. What you do know is that you'll feel relieved if you can just break-even (gambler's mentality)....terrible losing 1/3....but..how will you feel losing 50% - 60% - more ? These are the type of questions I might ask myself.

Not sure why you are being encouraged to pursue options , commodities etc , since you made it quite obvious you are not a trader , or an even an aggressive investor for that matter Hedge , diversify , re-balance your portfolio ??? You sound a little beyond that to me. As previously reco'd...perhaps seek qualified , reputable , professional , certified investment counsel....

and....

please remember...success is a relative investment concept...ideally it is defined by booking profits...however , sometimes , success is defined by cutting our losses.....and...at one time or another , to one degree or another , every market participant has been there with you.

GL

reply to post by RetinoidReceptor


I understand where you are coming from in your defense of GBM, but I have a STRONG aversion to people who encourage others to profit off of the destruction of the US.

It is the lack of ability to look farther than the end of your nose or the next day on the calendar that is the most dangerous trait of all.