God is the giver of life and sometimes the taker as well, his ways are greater than ours and sometimes he is missunderstood. Can not the God who created do as he pleases?

Originally posted by jwstarry
Okay, First things first. I have a serious question and would like serious responses.

Well, perhaps you shouldn't make the claim that God is an abortionist for me to take you seriously.

All that was created was good, but not all that was done with good was good.

If I give you a cup of water, and it quenches your thirst, one could say that was good. But if I gave you a cup of water, and you choked on it and drowned, is God at fault? One may say it was your own error.

In todays day and age, there is no end to the number of contaminates, and things within our diet, or society that can cause birth related defects.If a woman was taking meth, and the fetus was malnourished, there is a good possibility shes going to lose it.

Fail safes in nature for reasons beyond our understanding exist. If the Lord does not speak, one cannot speak on behalf of the lord saying what his intent was, but merely present a gentle and healing approach and move beyond what is not understood.

To say God is an abortionist, is to say you believe in God. To declare God and then accuse him is IMO inconsiderate bordering on blasphemous.

Does the pottery tell the potter how it wishes to be formed, or orders his own creation? God does things that bring glory and understanding to himself and his will.

Which is worse? The unhealthy miscarriage, or the abortion that kills whether the child is healthy or not?

Should a woman lose a baby, who can say for what reason? Have you walked with the mother and seen her diet? Might she have been exposed to a chemical that caused a miscarriage? The condition of the womb, and a multitude of other factors are all in play.

There are near 4000 abortions every day in the United States.
126000 a day world wide.
47 Million abortions a year.

Some of those children die because their parents were wanting another sex, and yet others merely because of a lifestyle inconvenience.
Some of those children are killed after exiting the womb. Infanticide.

There are 47 Million abortions a year. More children die from abortion then the 3 years combined for WWI.

Miscarriage is a natural cycle, the discarding of the unhealthy or the possibility of less then ideal conditions in the womb.

Modern medicines is an unbiased killer. Healthy and unhealthy alike. Which if you took natural miscarriage and unhealthy abortion and let them cancel each other out, you would find that mankind is the one that even kills the healthy in a healthy womb.

Peace

[edit on 25-10-2008 by HIFIGUY]

Originally posted by HIFIGUY
you would find that mankind is the one that even kills the healthy in a healthy womb.

Peace

We are not talking about man and abortion we are talking about God and miscarriage.

You seem to forget that some women, even christian women, miscarriage despite being perfectly healthy. There are many women out there who are very infertile, and find it very difficult to have a successful death. Why doesn't God give a helping hand in this matter?

You can say "His ways are above ours" and "He made all, so he can do what he likes", but if he's killing babies unjustly, we have every right to get angry at the ant-incinerating-child that we call God.

Originally posted by Good Wolf
There are many women out there who are very infertile, and find it very difficult to have a successful death.

Wow, that's a hell of a typo. I meant birth.

But you said:

Originally posted by Myrtales Instinct
Everything that happens to you, happens for a reason. As stories have morals, the things we go through in life have deep spiritual lessons, that are saddled up next to them.

So what is it? Is he responsible or not? If he isn't then what is he responsible for?

You think God is to blame, and I don't.

You are putting words in my mouth. I don't think God is to blame, I'm just arguing from that POV.
I am agnostic, after all. I'm not convinced there is a God, let alone a personal God. Not that that has anything to do with this.

[edit on 10/27/2008 by Good Wolf]

Originally posted by Good Wolf
Well personally, I would agree. "Cause and effect" but most people who believe in God feel that everything happens for a reason and not just a circumstantial reason. Most believe in a God who has a plan for their life, at least for all the most significant events in their lives.

thats why i quoted ecclesiastes, it disagrees with them

Don't you think a new life is to important to leave to circumstances? Don't you think that kind of lack of nurturing from God is kind of irresponsible.

what you deeling with here is a much bigger question. one that includes "why does god permit suffering?"

the short answer is that god promises to undo all the pain that we feel. whether that is a mother grieving for her child or the child who didnt have the oppurtunity to live.

so no, its not a lack of nurturing on gods part.

if you want a more indepth answer let me know