posted on Oct, 5 2008 @ 04:53 AM
Firstly, I'll say this. Disagreeing with the current Israeli government and its handling of political matters, and its actions involving its
neighbours does not make anyone anti-semitic, unless its couched in racially motivated terms.
Personally, I'm a harsh critic of the way Israel handles things in the modern political age, but at the same time everyone, no matter what race,
colour, creed or religion they are has a right to exist.
Now lets get on to holocaust deniers.
I think I pointed out in a recent thread that the WW2 Holocaust involved the following groups (I'll expand the list a little)
Russian Prisoners of War
Polish Prisoners of War
Political Dissidents and "undesirables"
People from the Slavic regions of Eastern Europe
Local prominent figures and families not sympathetic to the Nazis
Resistance movement members and;
Jewish people/people thought to be jews/people who harboured jews.
I have never, once seen a holocaust denier say that Romanies weren't exterminated, or Polish Prisoners. It always concentrates on the jewish
Theres a reason for that, and its because they perceive an "injustice" that the main reference for the Holocaust tend to point to Jewish people.
What they fail to understand is that approximately 80% of those killed were jewish.
But take the jewish people out of the equation and you're still looking at 1.2million other people, if you hold with the figure that 6million were
1.2 million civilians and prisoners of war over the space of five years, systematically rounded up like cattle, and shot/gassed - 240 thousand a
Its still genocide. Its still inexcusable. Its still vile. Its still one of the greatest crimes in world history - yet they "deny" that as well.
You can play with the figures of the number of jewish people deliberately targetted and killed by the Nazi's in WW2 all you want, but lets start with
a very conservative figure of 1million.
1 million people - roughly the population of the City of Glasgow in Scotland, just gone. Removed. Erased. Solely because the people were of a certain
race and reglion.
2 million maybe? - Kiss goodbye to Houston,
Raincheck here.... thats 3.2 million people so far, and we're assuming that 1.2 million of those were non jews. Thats half of what the generally
accepted figure of those killed was, and jewish people make up 60% of it.
You see what I'm getting at? The figures may be less, but it doesn't make any of it right at all, does it. Its still a filthy inexcusable act.
(For the record, on terms of scale for those who are not able to comprehend, or choose to try and not comprehend, the 6 million figure relates in size
to removing LA and Chicago from the map at the same time)
And there is proof, a plenty, that such acts did happen, and the maths on those acts is not hard to work out - although some people will argue that it
is. There is written evidence, there is photographic evidence and there are survivor testimones that all point to it happening.
So when someone tells you that it didn't happen, or the numbers were less, its always worth asking them what part of the death of half the number
generally claimed is acceptable, or even of "only" a million people. Or what part of the photographs and records recovered from the Nazi's and the
testimonies of the survivors is not proof. And its always interesting to ask them why they feel the need to dispute it.
And they'll come up with answers about zionism. They come up with answers about how "other genocides" have taken place - and they have and none of
them are acceptable either, and they'll ask why it is that the holocaust in WW2 only gets the spotlight and is taught about in schools, and the
simple question to ask is this - why shouldn't it?
Even if it was "only" 1.2 million people of non-jewish extraction, why shouldn't it? Its the single biggest example of a calculated civilian
extermination during the single biggest war this planet has ever seen, taking place over the relatively short space of about 3 and a half years of the
Nazi's working at the height of their powers. The reason its highlighted is because it happened during possibly the darkest event in human history,
World War Two.
Its one of the absolute cesspits of human achievement. It should be rammed home to every single person on the planet just how despicable and filthy
humans can get, in order that something like it doesn't happen again.
Theres no real reason for denying the holocaust in WW2, unless you subscribe to ideals and thoughts that really aren't acceptable in a modern
civilised society where everyone is equal.
People do it because they either have personal bigotry, choose to be deliberately ignorant out of political ideaology, or are simpley misinformed and
uneducated and haven't thought it through.
If you encounter someone who denies it, then you have a few choices.
If its particularly offensive, and definitely anti-semitic, then hit alert and let the mods look at it.
Alternatively, put the person on ignore and magically their supreme ignorance goes away.
Finally, you can confront it - within the bounds of the T&C - and patiently explain to that person what you think is wrong with their argument and
why, ATS style, with links and arguments and the power of your own convictions, denying ignorance all the way.