NASA Grants Colorado University $485,000,000 to study...Mars Weather!

It's my opinion there are more tangible financial needs right now, right here on 'Earth'. For instance, I gave an example earlier (read it?), disease research and development. How about funding for public education. 500 million might not be a big number on a macroscale, but it IS a bigger number for private organizations that are trying to raise a quater of that for cancer research, or a school trying to raise 20 grand to update the computer lab. All I was expressing was concern man. Taxpayer concern.

quoted from Lucid Lunacy

NASA is not in the business of disease research or giving schools computer labs. I am not trying to be a smartass, but only stating that there are programs in place that get an allotted portion of the budget for just those things. NASA gets a portion to do research in thier field. I do not think it is a bad thing. Thats just my opinion.

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Let me begin by saying that you know nothing about me.

Yes I am very well educated. But not in a University. I am well versed in math, reading, writing, and can use out of the box critical thinking skills. I read research papers every day from a plethora of different scientific disciplines, I read media sources from everywhere in the world, I read and archive government documents from all over the world, I attend scientific conferences, I even live right next door to a real life molecular biologist!

But I am not a scientist. I was not educated as such formally, and I work a crappy service job. I'm the guy the DAs office depends on to get them their sandwiches in an orderly and timely fashion. It's a little mom and pop store in the middle of a crappy gambling town in Nevada.

I am educated and attempt my best to curb my own ignorance by finding out WHAT IS REALLY GOING ON, instead of proclaiming that the plumber is more valuable than the guy who designed the freakin system down to the wire. Jesus(and I say this as a Christian because you decided to bring him into this mess) preached wisdom. Wisdom is the ability to find and use knowledge to it's most effective means. So that we may better mankind as a whole and ourselves personally.

It takes all of us working together to make this a half-decent existence. It is true for as much as the plumber is needed to fix a problem, the scientist figures out a way to get rid of the problem for good...It's called Progress & Innovation...And some people devote their entire existence to expressing this astonishing yet all too human concept. (we call them Scientists) A gift afforded to us by God, the one you say we are moving further from as a result.



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It takes all of us working together to make this a half-decent existence.

Wrong.

We shall find all precious substance, we shall fill our houses with spoil:

14Cast in thy lot among us; let us all have one purse:

15My son, walk not thou in the way with them; refrain thy foot from their path:

16For their feet run to evil, and make haste to shed blood.

17Surely in vain the net is spread in the sight of any bird.

18And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives.

www.biblegateway.com...

People are greedy and selfish, only caring about how successful they look in others eyes.

7The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Look how many have mocked God, and my faith, in this thread alone.

How many more useless studies, experiments, greedy doctors must we endure.

A message for the faithful. Your wait is almost over. Be faithful until the end.

I am the Parakletos.

Greek for advocate/intercessor, the word “parakletos” traces its roots back to ancient times. Translated in a variety of ways, “parakletos” refers to one who comes alongside and encourages us, one who enables us to be brave, one who empowers us to cope with the struggles and battles of life.

www.rutherford.org...

A good video about NASA fraud.


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How is that wrong?

People are greedy and selfish, only caring about how successful they look in others eyes.

And yet it is the knowledge and the wisdom to use that knowledge that allows you to spot the evil, and steer clear. We have freewill for a reason. You can decide to walk down the path of greediness, hatred, and self-gratification, or you can use what you know to help those that you can. It is a choice we must all make from very early on. Are you saying you know the choice I've made because of my particular interests?

I assure you, I do not intentionally hurt others...But divine justice is not about what one does entirely, it is also about what you don't do as well.

If you have the knowledge and wisdom to feed the world, or broker world peace what kind of a man would you be if you didn't even try?


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I respect your intelligent debate.

I could tell you the cure to cancer.

It's sulphuric acid diluted with hydrogen peroxide.

But then you would have to believe me, and study it for yourself.

So far, no one has taken it seriously.

The cure to aids. The plum.

Seems silly, until you review countries that drink plum wine, like Romania.

Check the amount of aids cases compared to the rest of the world.


I could tell you my truths come from dreams. But you will laugh at me.

There are many who listen, yet are afraid to laughed at. These posts are for them.

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I understand that. Hey that makes sense. I am more of a socialist myself, so I wouldn't mind seeing portions of all grants being allocated across the board. But whatever, that wasn't what I was trying to voice.

All I am saying is this. Taxpayers pay for some of that money no? As a taxpayer I am just expressing concern for how our money is spent in our World.

Originally posted by Manasseh
reply to post by projectvxn

 

I could tell you the cure to cancer.

It's sulphuric acid diluted with hydrogen peroxide.

Interesting. I had a dream where I was told the cure for cancer was Lemon juice. The reason (in the dream, of course, never looked into this at all) was that the thing all cancer patients had common was a low Ph balance. Wonder who's right? I certainly didn't put much stock in my dream... (not even enough to look to see if the ph balance thing was remotely real)

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What I'm curious about is what the University of Colorado will do with a half billion dollars to research the weather patterns on Mars.

With that kind of dough you'd expect some sort of rocket/satellite to be built and sent to mars. Didn't realize our space program was in the habit of giving that much money to a university to study weather....

Originally posted by Manasseh
reply to post by projectvxn

 

Well..Hey, you like the ability to spread this ignorance? Thank a scientist, you like the ability to watch your favorite shows, turn on the damned lights, brush your teeth, Get health care, Drive a car, Use your cell phone, purchase groceries, have public sanitation, clean water? Thank a scientist.

All very difficult to do without the electrician fixing your plug, the plumber making sure your toilet flushes.

You are assuming college graduates don't know how to do those things. A real man must know how to fix a plug and a toilet, those are easy jobs to learn and you only hire workers when you are going to do that on a large facility or the problem is too time consuming to do it yourself. My father is a physician but he fixes his own cars, electrical installations, plus some plumbing and painting, and sometimes he makes better jobs than the people who work on that.

What I find is, the more "educated" one becomes, the less they feel they need God.

Searching for truth is not denying God. He is not the god of ignorance.

Originally posted by Entrainment
reply to post by Manasseh

 

What I'm curious about is what the University of Colorado will do with a half billion dollars to research the weather patterns on Mars.

With that kind of dough you'd expect some sort of rocket/satellite to be built and sent to mars. Didn't realize our space program was in the habit of giving that much money to a university to study weather....

As the article indicated, it isn't all going JUST to CU. There are several involved.

reply to post by Aaron_Justin


Very good point. I read right past that bit at the beginning and assumed it was NASA funding it entirely as the OP had stated in the title. I should have been more observant, because later on it says this:

CU-Boulder is the single largest university recipient of NASA research dollars in the nation, according to the space agency. In fiscal year 2008, CU-Boulder received roughly $56 million from NASA.

So 11.5% of what the OP stated is actually from NASA for 2008. Although I am sure this figure will go up annually as MAVEN progresses.

On a side note it sounds like CU-Boulder is the place to be if you want to leave your mark on another planet:

CU-Boulder is the only university in the world to have designed, built and launched instruments to every planet in the solar system.

Anyways, it's time to hit this "post reply" button and never look back at this thread.

Originally posted by Manasseh
reply to post by projectvxn

 

I respect your intelligent debate.

I could tell you the cure to cancer.

It's sulphuric acid diluted with hydrogen peroxide.

But then you would have to believe me, and study it for yourself.

So far, no one has taken it seriously.

The cure to aids. The plum.

Seems silly, until you review countries that drink plum wine, like Romania.

Check the amount of aids cases compared to the rest of the world.


I could tell you my truths come from dreams. But you will laugh at me.

There are many who listen, yet are afraid to laughed at. These posts are for them.

I wouldn't laugh at you if you told me that you believed in a flying spaghetti monster so long as you say it and believe it with honesty, nor would I assume that your theories on how to cure AIDS and various forms of Cancer are wrong. But I would look into it.

(For instance)You have to find a way to bring the sulfuric acid to such an inert point so as to not eat away at the body(and this process would likely cause the acid to stop being an acid and change to an alkali and would cause massive organ failure starting with the kidneys and the Liver) , or the hydrogen peroxide that would essentially make your heart explode from the nucleation(the process of production in mass quantity of air bubbles on surface area caused by chemicals such as those produced by the bodys' own bacteria) that is produced as a result of ingestion or other introduction into the human system.

Current effective concepts for curing cancer:
news.bbc.co.uk...

Will look into the plumb thing...But here's an interesting technique some of us are using with AIDS that has been very effective in treating the disease. But if seriously improved upon, could very well eliminate it.

This one is a video article.
www.sciencedaily.com...



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Originally posted by Manasseh

All very difficult to do without the electrician fixing your plug, the plumber making sure your toilet flushes.

Yet you "educated" people have the gall to look down your collective noses at the very people who make your lives comfortable, claiming your education sets you above and beyond.

All the "education" in the world, doesn't make you a good person, or a decent parent.

What I find is, the more "educated" one becomes, the less they feel they need God.

Higher class, subprime loans, degrees, blah blah. It's all about seperating people from their true purpose.

And if you don't know what your true purpose is, I suggest you go pick up a homeless person and take them into your home some time.

I know, you say ewww! I couldn't do that and dirty up my fine linens and beautiful china.

Go back to class. That is where you belong. Patting each other on the back about how far above you are.

Yet you throw yourselves, and our country, further and further into debt, with your student loans, and your fancy cars, and your bigger houses, just so you can show how successful you have become.

Yuck!

Manasseh, I wanted to speak to your point here - that being that education doesn't equal goodness and that in fact, "the more educated one becomes the less they feel they need God." Here's where you're categorically wrong.

I'm a Christian, a very devout Christian. I believe that Jesus is the only way to God and that his death and resurrection is the propitiation for my sins. I believe in a literal heaven and a literal hell. I believe in the inerrancy of the bible. Hopefully I've established where I stand spiritually in a few sentences. Here's the thing.....I'm VERY educated. I worked as a software engineer for a small startup here in Colorado that was purchased by a network juggernaut. My wife and I are pretty well set for the rest of our lives financially because of this. We have literally zero debt. I now have a degree in clinical psych and neuroscience and I'm attending medical school. I have no school loans and will incur no debt throughout this academic path. My education is increasing daily and yet I'm closer to God now than I was years ago.

As far as my true purpose I know what that is as well - to help others. I've taken my own daughter down to soup kitchens to help feed the needy and less fortunate. We've actually had an indigent person in our home during the Christmas holidays. We've anonymously paid off debt of those who could not afford to do so (two of them were widows of US soldiers sent to Iraq). We've spent countless hours in service to people in our communities. I know what it is to help someone that is badly in need of a bath. I know what it is to nearly wretch from the stench of someone who simply needs a hug. I could give you a laundry list of the things we've done to help others. And I know this doesn't make me better than ANYONE. I know that we are EXTREMELY fortunate to be able to do these things.

Am I perfect? Hardly. I have more shortcomings and failings than I care to enumerate. What I DO have is serious questions about you, sir. You come here and pose all sorts of cryptic information that doesn't edify anyone (that's a primary job of the real parakletos that you claim to be). I find your postings to be very off-putting and contrary to what I know of God. I certainly do not believe for one moment that you are "the parakletos".

But I will humor you. I live here in Boulder. You stated the following:

"Also, CU......has an entrance to the Rocky Mountain underground tunnel network."

If you are who you say, then you know where this entrance is. State it here and I'll verify it. Either state latitude/longitude or specific directions and I'll post a reply here either confirming or denying your info.

My apologies to all you other good gentlemen and ladies in this thread. I'm simply tired of this person's posts and his need for attention and/or approval.

And to keep the thread on topic - GO CU! ;-) I'm very proud to be part of the university system here. I've learned more than I ever thought possible and made some dear friends. CU has some serious core issues, but there are truly good people there that want to discover and explore new areas. I know there are some pretty volatile ideas and opinions on this money, where it came from and what the "real" projects might or might not be. I also know this is a conspiracy site. I keep a pretty large grain of salt on hand any time I read anything here. ;-)

Regardless of what we think or feel about this topic, my hope is that the money will be used to discover something good that will benefit us all and/or our children and their children (well beyond Manasseh's 5 year mark and well beyond the ever so highly regarded 2012 date).

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I now have a degree in clinical psych and neuroscience and I'm attending medical school.

Welcome. You seem to care. I need your help on a certain subject.

You have access to a lab. Could you take some hair samples from various people and test them for heavy metals, and more specifically, silver iodide?

The hair samples from Alzheimers, Cancer patient, or people with enlarged heart would be of particular interest to me.

Summary High levels of Silver (Ag), Barium (Ba) and Strontium (Sr) and low levels of copper (Cu) have been measured in the antlers, soils and pastures of the deer that are thriving in the chronic wasting disease (CWD) cluster zones in North America

theblanketeffect.blogspot.com...

Also, take a live cancer cell and put it into diluted (below battery acid) sulfuric acid, and see how long it survives.

The cancer cure I spoke of, you being a med student should interest you, is diluted sulfuric acid (diluted with hydrogen peroxide) INJECTED into the tumor. This will kill the tumor. The dead tumor will have to be sucked out.

If you really want to help people, try these simple experiments.

Guaranteed you will find resistance to the results, so I would keep it on the down low, until you can publically publish your findings, oh say, on ATS


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Manasseh, I'd like you to address my post directed to you before anything else is discussed. Thank you.

just in case no body has already mentioned,

NASA is a privately owned organisation, and isn't directly anything to do with your taxes.

Originally posted by bigmoose
just in case no body has already mentioned,

NASA is a privately owned organisation, and isn't directly anything to do with your taxes.

That is inaccurate information. NASA is a federal institution for research on aerospace technology and space exploration. They make money from tax payers, as well as other form of public funding.

Okay...okay...so I just finished writing a post in another topic about how outraged I am that we just bailed these companies out and are also giving billions away to other countries.

Then...I come across this? When will this madness end?

This is completely insane.

We need to get rid of these people. Just about every single one of them.

Madness? Why is it mad to spend money that is budgeted for a specific reason, such as scientific understanding of weather patterns of a planet very much like our own that could lead to further understanding of our own world? Also, without any research at all, you just automatically assume all of these funds were handed to NASA by the government. What if private investors have funded part of the research as it is in many other projects. I mean honestly people, use some critical thinking.

Also, how does one relate this topic to the corporate bailouts being done at the moment? What do the two things have in common?