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NASA Grants Colorado University $485,000,000 to study...Mars Weather!

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posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 10:00 PM
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posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 10:02 PM
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The truth is, many people are already feeling God's wrath.

Hurricanes, earthquakes, tsunamis, etc.

However, mankind as a whole will know they have screwed up royally by 2012.

2012 is the year of true realization of the horror of the error of our ways.

2015, give or take a year, will be the actual Day of the Lord.

It's not a time really, but a condition. We are meeting all the conditions.

The whole Mars thing is to throw us off the true path, which is Saturn. Saturn is full of beings, both good and evil, who live with us on this planet.

The people of Saturn, are actually people from the days of Atlantis, or more specifically, the Nephalim whom knew about space travel. When God destroyed those people (the story of Noah) there were people who became stranded on Saturn, a planet with a high Helium content, yet very habitable.

Since then, these people have come back to earth. All the pathetic space expeditions are designed to throw us off the truth, which is mankind has been travelling through space for centuries.

Also, CU is the hub for global weather warfare, and has an entrance to the Rocky Mountain underground tunnel network.

The average working man is basically left in the dark, working and funding these operations right under our noses.

One thing people should know.

Earth, is the only place in the universe that actually produces life. The rest of the life in the universe (this dimension) is originally from Earth.

Earth is basically God's egg.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 10:17 PM
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So, some of you have eluded to the question.

Why would NASA spend these unbelievable sums of money to study past weather on Mars.

And why would they not spread the money around to a few universities?


Because CU is headquarters for Global Weather Modification.

What are the implications?

Because they know time is coming to an end. They believe that they can beat God.

Really.

It's about self fulfilling prophecy to them. No matter how much you believe the prophecy of Jesus, they KNOW it's the truth, and they are scared.

The power of God is in all of us. The more believers, the more powerful. They feel that if they can take away the believers, then they can take away God's power, and God's fallen angel will prevail.

What they don't understand, is it's all in God's plan. They should read Job carefully.

Satan doesn't do squat, without God's approval, or knowledge.



posted on Sep, 15 2008 @ 10:23 PM
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I don't know Man. I think you are pretty close on some things, but not quite right on others. Best to answer each other in the Giants thread or other religion thread because trust me, the censors are about to strike the fear of the overlord.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 09:47 AM
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Let me guess, you were given your divine knowlege from a homeless guy right? He told you you were the parakeet or whatever. And you have never been banned from ATS before. Is that the way it really is? Why do you have such a hatred of college educated people? The parakeet wouldn't be like that.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 11:16 AM
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The money probably WON'T all go to study the weather. Gotta pay for the aurora somehow!!



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 11:17 AM
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Holy damn, you're not kidding!
I have to seriously question the legitimacy of spending all that money we don't have in this time of crisis as well.
I am sure they have some reason like the money was already committed or something, but seriously. Talk about launching money out into space...
I honestly don't care about the past weather on Mars right now and probably won't for quite some time.

I also doubt any kind of justification can be made for it having to do with saving our own planet. Not that it's the planet that is in danger as much as everything living on it...the planet's gonna be fine.


edit: not to say I am opposed to education or prefer our more serious expenses of waging war and all that good stuff...

[edit on 16-9-2008 by 4N6310]



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 11:43 AM
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mansseh: you have got to be joking. You and any of the other Christian propaganda monsters posting inconceivably ignorant view on the world and placing your god head as the final answer to all questions. It’s the easy way out and an dangerous mindset to have. Science advances reality and your book advances separatism and hatred for anyone who doesn’t buy into your d&d alter reality with demons and angels, the ark and all of the other STORIES from your archaic book that people like you feel is accurate solely on the idea that if its been around this long than there must be something to it. The reality is that this universe is indifferent and its real. The only hope for mankind is to take matters into their own hands and try to make as much sense of it all as we can while were here.

ps:
Genetically modified food helps feed starving countries who cant produce enough to feed their population. How many people in Africa died as the result of your compassionate faith telling them not to eat it since it was modified. How many rapped women have to go through to horror of birthing the resulting child because god wants it (im not for abortion after the 1st month, but to call a week old lump of matter a human is illogical. I mean where does it stop). How many horrors have been committed in the name of god-countless, but everyone would rather romanticize faith and ignore the bloody footsteps leading to the present and still marching toward the disaster that will ensue.

*For the record, I am an atheist and I am very tolerant of peoples belief when they aren’t putting a rant post like this up. I go to Catholic church every Sunday because I converted to make my wife(who knows im atheist) and her family (who has no idea) happy because it doesn’t hurt me or my personal outlook to attend. The message in many church sermons is harmless enough and empowers people to go out and do the right thing, but I still have to agree with Richard Dawkins in his theory that religion is a virus. All religions. The more people wrapped in fanciful ideology the less people working to cure diseases and to solve global issues because you cant get past whether or not condoms are a good idea. Thanks again for helping spread the aids epidemic, by spreading this around southern Africa.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 11:59 AM
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you're a real piece of work manesseh. wow.


I pay my taxes, so does my family. some of my family members are electricians, construction workers, welders, what have you.

we all pay our taxes.

as a matter of fact I'm going to the CU engineering school next fall to study Aerospace. CU has the second best aeronautical engineering school in the U.S., second only to MIT.

sounds like you are pretty bitter because you decided not go to college. it takes a lot of work to go to school to be a doctor or engineer.

the knowledge gained from the scholars at CU and other "elite" schools is priceless. what we will learn from studying mars will possibly save the human species in the future if/when we begin to manipulate our own climate and populate other planets.

dont take your anger out on the schools they are trying to help mankind.

BTW without engineers those bridges would FAIL or never be built in the first place. do you think the Romans didnt have architectural engineers?

thanks for the OP that is great news to those of us in the pursuit of knowledge


keep your biased and hateful remarks at educated people to yourself



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 12:11 PM
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And here I am...

Soon to be was ...

Thinking that this thread would actually be about someth--



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 12:27 PM
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I guess that I should just spell it out for you. I was hoping to avoid this, by my post above, and the Condon Report, but I guess I was not blunt enough. The Condon Report was "commissioned" by the United States Air Force. Their alleged mission was to produce an unbaised report on UFO's. In reality, prior to the study, most committee members already knew that the report would essentially debunk UFO's:



On August 9, 1966, Low wrote a memorandum intended to persuade the more reluctant faculty to accept the UFO project. This so-called "Trick Memo" explained how the University could perform the project without risking their reputation, and how the University UFO research project could arrive at a predetermined conclusion while appearing objective. In part, Low wrote:


Our study would be conducted almost entirely by non-believers who, though they couldn't possibly prove a negative result, could and probably would add an impressive body of thick evidence that there is no reality to the observations. The trick would be, I think, to describe the project so that, to the public, it would appear a totally objective study but, to the scientific community, would present the image of a group of non-believers trying their best to be objective but having an almost zero expectation of finding a saucer." Low also suggested that if the study focused less on "the physical reality of the saucer", and more on the "psychology and sociology of person and groups who report seeing UFOs", then "the scientific community would get the message




I now move you forward to the following:
news.nationalgeographic.com...


Space Weather Could Scrub Manned Mars Mission

The dangers of space weather could effectively scrub plans for a manned mission to Mars, a new study reports. Astronauts could be exposed to hazardous levels of radiation—unless forecasters improve their predictions and mission planners adequately protect their crews.

One of the biggest recorded solar storms occurred in August 1972, between NASA's Apollo 16 and 17 missions to the moon.

Simulations conducted after the missions convinced many scientists that an astronaut in space during the event would have absorbed fatal levels of radiation within 10 hours.

NASA may have benefited from lucky timing in 1972, but the bout of bad space weather served as a warning.

"It raised the question: What if we were on the way to Mars and there was a significant event?" said Daniel Baker, director of University of Colorado's Laboratory for Atmospheric and Space Physics. "Unless some provision was made for shielding or some kind of cocoon, it could be pretty devastating."

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"There is a lot that goes on between measuring a certain input outside the spacecraft and measuring how that actually impacts the human body," Colorado's Baker said.



OK. Hopefully, I've now made it clear as to what is going on. The University of Colorado is more than happy to take almost a half billion dollars from US taxpayers, to produce a report on Mars weather, which will then be used to cancel (at least publicly) any manned mission to Mars.

OK class, that's todays lesson.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 01:44 PM
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I see your point Prof but before you start jumping to conclusions, I think it is important to note that although there may be (and most likely is) a preconceived outcome for the experimentation, that a majority of people who will be working on the projects will be doing so objectively.

The students and faculty working on the project are not trying to stop a manned mission, but will be in fact trying to make it safer for the astronaughts and increase the chances for success.

I would not like to send people to Mars if there is a possibility of them dying from radiation. This grant then hypothetically is so we can find out how to protect the astronaughts from the onslaught of radiation, not to stop the mission.

That will be the goal of those working on the project, not necessarily those in charge.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 01:54 PM
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its cold brrrrrrr

not a one liner surely

:-)

acually there's not much atmosphere isn't that right? not a lot to study up there then?


[edit on 16-9-2008 by wellsybelieves]



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 02:08 PM
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I understand your optimism, and I applaud it. However, remember, I was in the system, not at U of C, but saw too many cases where the results were predetermined. Besides, U of C has a track record in these matters, as evidenced by the Condon Report.
For those in the business world, I'm sure you can relate this to the bidding process. An organization puts out a bid (in many cases, because they HAVE to, by law), but they rig the specs so that their favorite vendor wins. The favorite vendor, of course, does a study that concludes JUST WHAT the bidder wanted as the conclusion. Everyone is happy, a win-win for the organization and the winner bidder, but of course, a lose-lose for everyone else.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 02:08 PM
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the knowledge gained from the scholars at CU and other "elite" schools is priceless. what we will learn from studying mars will possibly save the human species in the future if/when we begin to manipulate our own climate and populate other planets.


Save mankind from what? The extensive damage that scientists and engineers have already done to us? We don't need you as our saviours. Stop smashing atoms, manipulating weather, and being all out arrogant people, and we can go back to living peacefully with nature.



BTW without engineers those bridges would FAIL or never be built in the first place. do you think the Romans didnt have architectural engineers?


Could you please get off your high horse. Do you think we needed engineers to lay a log across a river. Someone, who was quick thinking, tied two together and realized it made a stronger bridge. Not some engineer, but someone who needed to get to the other side without getting wet. I can think of some people who have been killed in recent history, thanks to engineers who thought they knew it all. Titanic comes to mind. "Unsinkable" they said. Pffft.



keep your biased and hateful remarks at educated people to yourself


Could you please define "educated" for me? Are you saying people who don't go to college are not "educated"?

Excuse me, I'm at work, and I have to call another engineer that they have over-engineered another project and are costing our customer way more money and time than necessary.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Manasseh
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Scientists split the atom, politician dropped the bomb.
Good thing they went to college to learn these useful tools


Another example of how elitists colleges have moved mankind away from
God.

[edit on 15-9-2008 by Manasseh]



I'm sure your ingorant because you have no idea HOW MANY LIVES WERE SAVED IN WW2 BY DROPPING THE BOMB. If we didn't drop the bombs, we were going to invade Japan and that would have resulted in million + american deaths along with 2-3million japanese, if you thought D-Day was bad, all commanders knew that the Japanese invasion would have been 100 times worse, so stfu and never say the Bomb was bad, cause right now we'd still be suffering the damages had we invaded Japan with ground forces, look it up kid

And god? Wtf you talking about god for? God is some alien that left this planet a long time ago, or he doesn't even exist, keep praying to your god, HE did this to you, took what you had and left you with nothing(quoting Maynard James Keenan)

On topic:

I think this is a waste of spending, but why are people coming in here and claiming "elitist" on college graduates, you have any idea how long colleges have been around, and how many things you use in a day to day life that were design and developed by college institutions and college graduates.

WOW the ignorance in both Nasa and the public has grown significantly, I mean I don't care for Nasa spending 1/2 a billion on Mars, thats just ridiculous and a waste I agree, but attacking college students and claiming people lost "god" is even more ridiculous, you really think this money is going to the students(most of which are in debt due to student loans), this money is going to the Institution, not the students, and the institution will merely "use" the students to do a large amount of the study in order to save cash as well. A study like this costs way more than 1/2 a billion dollars when you give it to the "pro's", this would probably cost 3 times as much if they gave the opportunity to anyone else



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 02:37 PM
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posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 02:39 PM
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keep your biased and hateful remarks at educated people to yourself


Could you please define "educated" for me? Are you saying people who don't go to college are not "educated"?

Excuse me, I'm at work, and I have to call another engineer that they have over-engineered another project and are costing our customer way more money and time than necessary.



by educated I mean the people you keep calling "brats" at school. one can be self educated, this is true, and I have no problem with that, and respect those who are self taught.

you, on the other hand, seem to have the problem with people.

oh and there have been more feats of structural engineering in the ancient times; they were not just logs over a river. structures require planning and calculations , whether you like to admit it or not, even the people putting two and two together to put logs across the river or build a mudhouse would have to plan and design, making them engineers of their time.

if you want to be one with nature that is fine but dont shove it down other people's throats.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 02:42 PM
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What exactly is the OP talking about? This is NASA'S ALLOTED MONEY. Please, explain to me why the constantly budget-strapped NASA SHOULDN'T be spending what little money they have on SPACE EXPLORATION?

THE JOB OF NASA IS TO STUDY THIS STUFF! If NASA took that half a billion dollars and pumped it into the stock market, then we'd have a HUGE - and illegal - misuse of federally appointed money. THAT is something to get upset about.



posted on Sep, 16 2008 @ 03:28 PM
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I usually say any advancement is better then no advancement at all... But this is ridiculous.

A.) America is already in the pits financially.
B.) That money could be used on Earth based operations. (Cleaning up the environment, helping the poor world-wide, Aids/caner research etc.)
C.) With that much money, I expect Colorado U to make a Starship of some sort (Miranda class btw) to go there and study the weather first hand.



Not that I persume to know what they should be spending their money on, but it just seems like such a waste.

Peace,
FK



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