If you want to be charitable join a charity.

If you want spirituality join a religion.

If you want brotherhood go to a bar or do a sport or hobby.

I don't see the need to join a secret society to do these things it seems a bit pointless to me... if this is the real reason masonry was brought about.

I don't see the need to join a secret society to do these things it seems a bit pointless to me... if this is the real reason masonry was brought about.

What about Odd Fellows? Eagles? Lions Club? Rotary? Elks? ... Some, if not all, of these are a "brotherhood." They all have meeting halls, ways to apply / get accepted, etc.

Originally posted by mtmouse32


Some states? Do you happen to see a children's hospital of ANY sort in every state / major city? No. From what it looks, they do have hospitals in a lot of major cities and Canada all over the US. And granted, they cater to children, what's the point? The initial statement was that the hospitals were for the rich. Now its a bash against just children. How about picking on Jerry's kids, Miracle Network ( which has only children hospitals throughout the US )

Its like an endless rant. Always going to be something wrong with them, even if its not wrong. There are dozens of specific hospitals for children. There are hospitals specific for different causes. Doesn't make them or the people who run them bad.

You brought kids hospitals into this, not me, I was talking about hospitals in general that "help everyone" not a specific age bracket and even then; kids with certain sicknesses.

You're the one ranting not me...lol

Since : 1.) I live in the US and 2) I have worked in the health care field ( and was in an ambulance that transported a terminally ill child to the nearest children's hospital ... the house we picked him up at certainly wasn't the governors mansion - and the town wasn't upper ( or upper-middle ) class.

Granted, rich may get the better rooms, better drugs ... but I would certainly think that these children's hospitals that do fundraisers would be sued and in the news if it was known for a fact that the rich get first dibs of help before another child with the same illness.

Did they have health insurance?

How'd they handle that huge medical bill.

My cousin had to pay 300 to 400 just for a ambulance to pick her up.

Hospitals are a momentary help and screw people afterwards...the thing is people need that momentary help...which falls in to the exploitation of people that I said I was against.

Seems like your agreeing they do, then a defense shield goes up.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by Shawn B.]

Originally posted by Mason mike
Brother, please don't feed the trolls.
they can get even dumber when they haven't eaten for a while.
I love when they get all into a thread posting the same lies they cut and pasted for Masonwatch.com, and the thread just ends.

Aw, come on Brother. You wouldn't go to the park without feeding the squirrels would you?

If nothing else, it's entertaining. Besides, the things they come up with are priceless! I honestly believe a hit Sit-Com could be made from the basis of some of the threads that come from this board.

Or even a soap opera. I can see it now. "Tune in next for: As the Stomach Turns"

[edit on 30-8-2008 by Appak]

a book called "The Gods of Eden" by William Bramley has an excellent history on the masons. it's only like $8 at major bookstores, too! it uses MANY references and statistics from many reputable sources!

Originally posted by adrenochrome
...i'm just trying to say freemasonry is not only holding mankind back, because many major leaders are freemasons...

Which 'major leaders' are Freemasons? Can you please list them for me to review?

Now yall play nice ..lol


You know I think the Masons are about in the same place as alot of Christians are who go to their Church of choice ....
They do good ...they have money ...most of the Church peoples just want to be in Church ..(they really dont know whats going on behind closed doors ..neither do they really care ..they do all the rituals not even realizing what they are doing them for ....(I believe that God hates Rituals of any kind) Even in Ezek the high priests were doing things in secret that were detestable (Ezek was shown what goes on behind closed doors of those priests)..And then there are the biguns in the back room deceiving and laughing prob at how gullible people can be in their Churchs and their Clubs etc ... ..

I do know about the Hospitals ..(A mason was very nice to offer to get my ADHD child in it I didnt do it but I did appreciate the offer ) ....The Shriners also paid for my sons glasses (back when I was poor) ...And those men were very nice men ..

I will give yall the benefit of the doubt that your not party to what they do or are doing behind closed doors in the name of your Club ....
Just like I would hope you would do the same to us Christians who are not part of organized Religion ....I mean most of us got out of Church because we had to open our eyes in order to see what they are doing in the name of Christianity ....I believe that if anyone should know how we feel ...It would be yall ...since it seems yall get labeled just like we do .....


PS I used to get mad too when people would try and tell me about the United Pentecostal Church ...and it wasnt until I saw some things and heard some things they did that actually made me dig deeper into what they are all about and what their Doctrines were (it was twisted for sure) ...
I had to actually open my eyes though and look for it ...I didnt want to ...because I loved them people ....But something kept nagging me to dig deeper ..
Thank God I did ...they were a CULT no doubt about it ..



[edit on 30-8-2008 by Simplynoone]

Originally posted by adrenochrome
seriously, why do we need freemasonry?

Who is "we"? No one ever claimed we "needed" it. We don't "need" Disney World, but a lot of us enjoy it. But you know what? The funny thing is, those who do not or would not enjoy it don't have to go there. No one forces them to. Just like no one forces (or even ASKS) anyone to become a Mason. If it's not for you, don't apply for membership. But don't speak ill of it just because it's not something you're not interested in. I couldn't care less about the Kiwanis Club, but I'm not against them, nor angry because they exist in my community.

Also, I don't know how many of these so-called major leaders are Freemasons, but I'll bet a LOT of leaders of industry, government, politics, sanitation departments, etc. are also Kiwanis and Rotarians as well!

Look into that. I'd be interested in knowing actually. It might start a thread that actually has something new in it!