Anti Masons please read this!

well i knew i should have explained that more - it would have been more accurate to say "major organizations", because most leaders are just puppets anyway

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son, it appears it's bedtime. now if you can find 5 current world leaders, or even players, we have a discission, if not, then have some warm milk and don't forget to say your prayers. Night Night.

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Which 'major orginizations' allegedly have Masons at the head of these respective groups?

Originally posted by adrenochrome
instead of me looking into what i already know, you should research more about the kiwanis' and rotary clubs' ideas of origin. research symbology more, and you'd realize that the gear logo, and the offshoot of it that the kiwanis use, stems from socialism and communism. you should take a look at Jordan Maxwell's research - he explains this much better...

www.jordanmaxwell.com...

here's the main research page of his; also listen to his lectures on GoogleVideo!
www.jordanmaxwell.com...

Well, shucks. I should have KNOWN those were evil organizations.

I've been suspicious of the Kiwanis for a LONG time anyway. They've done some pretty twisted things in my community. Why just last month they made a major donation to the "Make A Wish Foundation"

Sorry, but Jordan Maxwell and the paranoia that surrounds Jordon Maxwell are of little or no interest to me. It's interesting to meet someone who actually buys into that crap, though.

Oh, thanks for offering.

[edit on 30-8-2008 by Appak]

Originally posted by adrenochrome

Originally posted by Appak
But don't speak ill of it just because it's not something you're not interested in. I couldn't care less about the Kiwanis Club, but I'm not against them, nor angry because they exist in my community.

Also, I don't know how many of these so-called major leaders are Freemasons, but I'll bet a LOT of leaders of industry, government, politics, sanitation departments, etc. are also Kiwanis and Rotarians as well!

Look into that. I'd be interested in knowing actually. It might start a thread that actually has something new in it!

well obviously i wouldn't speak ill of them if they didn't give me a reason to! i wouldn't dare speak ill of anything just because i'm not interested in it - that's just perverted logic. and you don't speak ill of the kiwanis because they haven't done anything to upset you.

instead of me looking into what i already know, you should research more about the kiwanis' and rotary clubs' ideas of origin. research symbology more, and you'd realize that the gear logo, and the offshoot of it that the kiwanis use, stems from socialism and communism. you should take a look at Jordan Maxwell's research - he explains this much better...

www.jordanmaxwell.com...

here's the main research page of his; also listen to his lectures on GoogleVideo!
www.jordanmaxwell.com...

Holy Sh#t. I just mean WOW.
I am stunned.
is there any comunity organization full of retired nice people with time to help the community that aren't involved in the NWO or the Illuminate?
Dude,
go see a doctor and get some stronger meds. What you got ain't working.
Please get help soon.

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research, guys... i'm not gonna do all your work for you.

wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Masonic_politicians

you have to have the desire to learn, or else keeping a closed mind to all sides of the story will only hold you back.

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Originally posted by adrenochrome
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research, guys... i'm not gonna do all your work for you.

wikicompany.org...:Masonic_politicians

you have to have the desire to learn, or else keeping a closed mind to all sides of the story will only hold you back.

Yes, you're obviously the epitomy of an open mind, huh?

I'm not going to do all your work for you either, but I'll give you a tip.

"Google" and "Wikipedia" are NOT research. I know they're easy, but you really have to have the ability to discern how much of it to discount. And believe, me, there's a HIGH discount rate applicable.

But of course you won't believe me. I'm a Mason. Heck, I might even be one of those "major leaders" maybe even more "major" that Roy Clark or Little Jimmy Dickens. Remember him? He's a Mason. He's also famous for his hit song "Take An Old Cold Tater and Wait"

Now that's some heavy-duty stuff there! Fear him!

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I would like to ask the Masons on this thread why they feel that just because someone gives generously at fundraisers etc that means they are not evil ?
I bet even evil ole Donald Trump (I am kidding maybe he isnt like pure evil ..but he isnt a nice man either) donates to everything mainly for tax purposes and to have a good name among men ...Thats not being charitable that is being deceitful and proudful (So they can boast )

Could you all please leave out the I donate to everyone argument ..because we all know thats not proof of anything ....it really does make you sound boastful..


If I made a post and bragged on how beautiful I am and how rich I am (which I am not either one lol) wouldnt I look like a conceited arrogant women to you ?
Thats what some of you sound like when you mention your charities..

Sorry just my lousy 2 cents

and no one seems to understand that i'm not saying all are bad! most masons are in fact good! it's just that i despise the bad irresponsible ones at the top that control and manipulate others!

and to those that don't believe Jordan Maxwell, well, ignorance is bliss! he's got nothing but cold, hard facts, and the evidence is out there!

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That link you provided does not list anyones Masonic affiliation. Can you please tell me which of the person contained therein are Masons?

Originally posted by Appak
"Google" and "Wikipedia" are NOT research. I know they're easy, but you really have to have the ability to discern how much of it to discount. And believe, me, there's a HIGH discount rate applicable.
[edit on 30-8-2008 by Appak]

do you honestly think i'm that stupid?! of COURSE you have to take everything with a grain of salt! you MUST look at everything with a discernable eye!

Originally posted by Simplynoone
I would like to ask the Masons on this thread why they feel that just because someone gives generously at fundraisers etc that means they are not evil ?

The real question, though, is: just because someone give generously at fundraisers, etc. why does that mean they ARE evil?"

That's the stance the majority of these Masonic "experts" take. Why can't they take these people at face value rather than sinking into the paranoia that anyone who is doing something good is doing it for nefarious purposes? Sadly, they've become so warped and have been so hurt by other members of the human race that they think that everyone around them is either out to get them, or at least out to get SOMEONE.

It's a pretty pathetic existence, I'd imagine. But they say "it takes all kinds" and that's a good thing, because we certainly HAVE all kinds, don't we?

Originally posted by Simplynoone
I would like to ask the Masons on this thread why they feel that just because someone gives generously at fundraisers etc that means they are not evil ?

Evil people can donate to charity as well. Speaking from a personal experience viewpoint, they typically do not however.

None of the Masons here will tell you that there are no bad apples. It is inevitable that this will occur, it is however not indicative of Masons and Masonry as a whole.

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sorry if we have to answer questions when asked. We rally don't mean to "toot our own horn", but people do ask what we do. What makes it different than Donald Trump, it that most of the masons around the world (you ain't gona believe this one) aren't rich and looking for a tax break. We (I) can barely afford to pay attention, let alone fund the Trump Towers. And if we toot our own horn, wouldn't it work better if we could actually see the recognition rather than have to justify it to somebody who wouldn't know charity of it fell out of their pocket? We do it because we care. What do you do?

Originally posted by adrenochrome
do you honestly think i'm that stupid?! of COURSE you have to take everything with a grain of salt! you MUST look at everything with a discernable eye!

Of course I don't think you're stupid. I don't know you. Honestly I don't think anything about you at all.

But I DO know you're using "facts" from Google and Wikipedia like they're Gospel and sometimes, they just aren't.

I'm banking my more than 25 active years as a Mason on what I say. I don't just go down to the local Lodge Hall on the 3rd Tuesday and chew the fat with Worshipful and the boys. I've traveled across this country and into other countries for years attending Masonic functions, giving lectures, writing papers on the subject, etc. I KNOW about Masonry. Do I know EVERYTHING? Certainly not. But I know a heluva lot more than ANY non-Mason ever will or ever can. And you can take that to the bank.

I fail to see you looking at this topic with a "discernible eye" or a "grain of salt" You've made up your mind and won't be swayed and that's fine. You'll never know the truth about Freemasonry because you have closed your mind and do not have the ability. But I won't sit idly by and let others on this list be misguided by untruth if I can help it. If only ONE person who might have otherwise bought into what you're saying is convinced otherwise by my posts, then I'm satisfied. If not, well, honestly I've had fun posting with you none the less.

Quote [most of the masons around the world (you ain't gona believe this one) aren't rich and looking for a tax break. We (I) can barely afford to pay attention, let alone fund the Trump Towers.]

LOL I hear that ..and I am with ya on that one ..
But we all know that in higher ups of Masonry they have money

I really do appreciate people giving for whatever reason so thank you guys .
I just wish people wouldnt brag about it,it really does take away the real giving part of it and the boasting makes it look like your saying because they give they must be good people its not true ,at least not for the richer ones.Most of them do it for the reasons I mentioned.
Also they may even do it for a great cover.
Thats what the Catholic Churchs do and I hear that all the time from them too .

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well it was very nice talking with you, too! i do believe that the original ideas for founding freemasonry were good. it should be about believing in the one, true creator. i also agree with augustus's last post, even if i don't agree with some of his other ones.

also, for many masons it's not about the money, and they want to join a good organization that will benefit humanity. i mean after all, they weren't called the "Poor Knights of Christ" for nothing! it's just that we're only human, and any man is susceptible to being good and evil. unfortunately there are some evil ones in control. as for naming names, please take the time to do some research on your own. i love helping anyone out i can, but i think i've given everyone enough of a push in the right direction for now... the truth is out there

Originally posted by adrenochrome
i also agree with augustus's last post, even if i don't agree with some of his other ones.

That is allright, sometimes I do not agree with all of my posts.

...they weren't called the "Poor Knights of Christ"...

I edited your quote because contained within is a bit of truth. The Knights Templar are not related to Freemasonry. If you can somehow prove this and have it reviewed you would, in my opinion, have an extremely marketable book in your future.

As for your push, I think I need more, you have still not inidcated which persons in the link you provided were Masons.

it is sad that this kind of thread is popular while the abundance of positive threads have little traffic. Are people just looking for confrontation? The masons come into these threads to inform, not to flame or insult. Being human, it sometimes goes that way, but why must everyone who doesn't understand something, fuel hatred. Just ask. Ask any mason. If you ask 400 different masons and they all say the same thing is it that we are all brainwashed, or can we use occams razor and assume there might be some truth at least in what we say. Don't believe us. Join the lodge. Learn our terrible secrets. Go to a lodge and just ask questions. I couldn't expect to get answers about the governments involvement with UFO coverups from the guy at the corner holding up a sign that reads"I ned fod" I need to ask the NSA. The guy with the sign needs a buck. And a new sign. Please don't be that ignorant to where the truth lies. The world already has enough stupid folks.

Are any of you like the highest ones ? Isnt that 33 ?

I would like it if they could come in here and talk with us.
At least we could feel em out (figure of speech) at least we would be getting it all first hand info straight from them.And listen to them for awhile (we could then discern on how honest and loving etc and believable they are by their posts and their links to info.
The only problem is like Bush said ."It wouldnt be a secret anymore if I told you " So how would anyone find out anything to put to rest all the controversy if its all so secret ?That makes no sense ..
I have no secrets what do you want to know ,I will tell you ,secrets do nothing but make everyone go Hmmmmm and just raise RED FLAGS.
If there is nothing sinister then why so secret ?Is is really so bad that no one can know it ?Maybe that part to me is the most sinister thing about it Well except for the Ancient Egyptian Rah stuff ,thats disturbing enough for me to know its not all that Holy and Angelic and brotha hood like ..(LOL sorry) ....

Addok you said you were 32 right ?