Originally posted by Simplynoone
Are any of you like the highest ones ? Isnt that 33 ?

Appak is and he has been responding to this thread all along.

If there is nothing sinister then why so secret ?Is is really so bad that no one can know it ?

Do you want to know the secrets? They are only a few handshakes and some words and a bit of ritual we perform for our ceremonies. All of it is available on Google and Youtube. It really is nothing more then that and to be honest with you it was a bit anticlimatic for me when I realized that these were the Masonic 'secrets'. Now I stick around because I enjoy what we do and who I do it with.

Maybe that part to me is the most sinister thing about it Well except for the Ancient Egyptian Rah stuff ,thats disturbing enough for me to know its not all that Holy and Angelic and brotha hood like ..(LOL sorry) ....

Sorry, there is no mention of Ra, or any other Egyptian diety, in lodge.

Originally posted by Mason mike
I am at home and can enjoy a beer.

You mentioned beer and Fitzy shows up, typical. Next will be that other lush Rockpuck.

I gonna go fix myself a nice single malt. Heathens.

Originally posted by Mason mike
it is sad that this kind of thread is popular while the abundance of positive threads have little traffic.

Just like in television news, "if it bleeds, it leads". It's the same aspect of human nature that insists we slow down to ogle a traffic accident on the highway even when it's in the other direction. It's the same nature that makes people get all worried when there's an airplane crash even though statistically you're more likely to buy it on the drive TO the airport.

It's because safe and reliable ain't so sexy.

Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus

Originally posted by Mason mike
I am at home and can enjoy a beer.

You mentioned beer and Fitzy shows up, typical. Next will be that other lush Rockpuck.

I gonna go fix myself a nice single malt. Heathens.

Heathen, my back passage! Until you've tried an Old Credit, you know not whereof you speak.

Oh don't get me wrong. Single malts are all well and good and certainly have their place on a winter's evening. But to me, anything other than a good microbrew is sacrilege before Labour Day.

/derail

Originally posted by Mason mike
It would be an honor to tip a pint with any of you.

'A' pint?!?! Lightweight. Let me know when you are ready to step up to the big leagues! Fitzy says he has the good stuff up there, WD40 or somesuch sludge.

Alright, I just popped in and see a lot of off topic and baiting posts. End it now please. I'm being nice about this... now.

{it is sad that this kind of thread is popular while the abundance of positive threads have little traffic. Are people just looking for confrontation? The masons come into these threads to inform, not to flame or insult}


Hey Mike I believe the thread title was an invitation to us to this thread wasnt it >?
And I agree that no one should do any flaming .


Maybe if we started with this
Hey yall I will be the first to admit that our Churchs are at least 90 % not good and maybe only 10 % that are .
They do evil deeds behind the members backs (Horrible things)
They give to charity from the Churchs money but they are stingy greedy people at home ,Even allowing some of their own children live day to day almost in poverty while raising their grandchildren .They serve the same gods alot of the pagans serve .
And I wouldnt join with anyone of them because I disagree with just about all of the above and their lifestyles .I do not want to be labeled as one of them and I do not want people to blame for the evil they have done Because I abhor their evil deeds as much as anyone does .
The cross ,the pictures,the statues,the Steeples,the buildings are all worshipped as an idol sometimes (they really do)
And I am serious here .
Now your turn .

Originally posted by Mason mike
it is sad that this kind of thread is popular while the abundance of positive threads have little traffic.

This is a conspiracy website, how can you not expect this?

It's like someone being surprised of seeing fire after a match is lit.

Originally posted by Simplynoone
Are any of you like the highest ones ? Isnt that 33 ?
Addok you said you were 32 right ?

Thanks, but you can call me Appak.

If you'll check out my signature line, it's 33rd, but don't be deceived. The high number does not denote "high-ranking" The Grand Master of a particular jurisdiction is technically the "highest one" around and he need only be a 3rd Degree (Master Mason) and he FAR out-ranks me. The 33rd Degree is the terminal degree of a system called the Scottish Rite, which builds upon the 3rd Degree, but does NOT out-rank it.

Many people believe because it's a higher number that it's a higher ranking member, but that's not how the organization works.

LOL Where is the Ark Appak ...really I wanna know.

That was cute and of course Im kidding,I am sure if yall knew where it was you would sell it for big bucks to the Jews.It means nothing to Christians but the Jews would want it for their next temple.I actually believe they have it and know where it is and will bring it out at just the right time for their temple.

{All of it is available on Google and Youtube.}
I thought you said we shouldnt be using those as resources back in a post or two ago didnt you ?
We want first hand knowledge which is you and others (at least as much as your degrees would know)

Do any of you know what the High Ups do while you all are just visiting ?
Are they in the same rooms as yall lowers ?What do they talk about ?
And what kind of people are they ?
Appak Share some real stuff with us .
I just told you some of the dirt I know about the inside of our Churchs.
Whats fair is fair right ?


PS Im sorry Appak I messed up on your name I didnt do it on purpose


[edit on 30-8-2008 by Simplynoone]

Originally posted by Simplynoone
{it is sad that this kind of thread is popular while the abundance of positive threads have little traffic. Are people just looking for confrontation? The masons come into these threads to inform, not to flame or insult}


Hey Mike I believe the thread title was an invitation to us to this thread wasnt it >?
And I agree that no one should do any flaming .


Maybe if we started with this
Hey yall I will be the first to admit that our Churchs are at least 90 % not good and maybe only 10 % that are .
They do evil deeds behind the members backs (Horrible things)
They give to charity from the Churchs money but they are stingy greedy people at home ,Even allowing some of their own children live day to day almost in poverty while raising their grandchildren .They serve the same gods alot of the pagans serve .
And I wouldnt join with anyone of them because I disagree with just about all of the above and their lifestyles .I do not want to be labeled as one of them and I do not want people to blame for the evil they have done Because I abhor their evil deeds as much as anyone does .
The cross ,the pictures,the statues,the Steeples,the buildings are all worshipped as an idol sometimes (they really do)
And I am serious here .
Now your turn .

While I don't think your numbers are correct, they are probably more reversed, I share some of the same thoughts. That is why I don't go to church anymore. Just my opinion. Masonry filled that void by being open to any beilef in diety. Not hypocritical, just honest caring and brotherhood. Church is great for some people. Just not me.
Thanks

First of, I'd like to mention that my uncle r.i.p. was a mason, and also happened to be a man of great character. He happened to be the President of a company that I won't mention for fear of revealing who I am, but is a company that handles many government contracts.

Here is what I think is the biggest "problem" with masons if we can call it a problem this early: Secrecy.

It's not that there is anything intrinsically immoral about secrecy. There isn't.

However, when any one of us looks deep into ourselves, and then considers the nature of those things that we want to keep secret, what do we find? it's those agendas that others would object to, it's those things we did in the past that we don't want reveal. It's our selfishness.

So, reflecting upon ourselves, and not in an unreasonable way, we assume that secrets are equivalent to hidden agendas, and therefore, matters that would otherwise be objectionable by those from whom the secret is kept.

After all, if there was no objection to it, why should it be a secret?

Now, just put a little bit of paranoia on top of that, and you get a conspiracy theory that masons want to rule the world. After all, this place here is ATS.

Once again, masons have every right to keep secrets, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with that, and as far as the evidence I have, I cannot find proof of wrong doing.

But it is simply human nature to question the motives behind secrecy. And the theories that people come up with are not surprising giving the circumstances.

My questions to those freemasons here would be, do you first of all recognize why secrecy can be controversial? My second question would be, quote a reasonable motive for secrecy (can be hypothetical, but reasonable)

-rrr

Originally posted by adrenochrome
so please, Appak, teach me something that you taught others at the lectures you've given.

Why gladly adrenochrome. Send me your address and I'll send you a membership petition which you can fill out, send to the local Lodge, be investigated by the investigating committee, and if you are voted upon favorably to receive the degrees I'll drive or fly in (in a plane, of course, I haven't reached that other level yet) and deliver the lectures to you as I have hundreds of new Masons.

In the mean time I'd be glad to recommend several good books that are available for purchase by anyone to learn the truth about Freemasonry.

The first I'd recommend is available at the Scottish Rite's on-line bookstore and is called "Is It True What They Say About Freemasonry?" An older version is available on-line for free, if you want to search for it, but the most current book is expanded and much better. It was written by two Scottish Rite Freemasons, both of whom hold the 33rd Degree and both of whom are experts on Freemasonry as well as Anti-Masonry.