It seems we have gotten off to a bad start in my opinion. When an Anti mason starts a thread about how evil the "higher level masons" are we as masons come here to defend that that just aint so.

When in reality, we might no know of the diabolical plan the 34th through 360th degree masons have in store for us all. A couple of the masons that post here are students, so I would assume they are not 60 year old masons. I have only been a mason for two years now. So no matter what my age is, I have not been informed of the grand plan yet.

When we get called pedofiles, liars, killers, rapists, thieves, ect., we kind of get defensive. Sorry.

Would all the anti masons please reply to this thread with a short answer to this question.

would you like us (masons) to not post on your threads? If so would you please help us in coming up with a way that we could be informed as to not disrupt the flow of proof and information you are trying to bring into this world?

Thanks in advance for your replys.

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I'm not real anti-anything ( as I mentioned in other threads ) and have an open mind about various groups, religions, etc ( my ex-wife is JW, and my young daughter is raised in it. )

But this doesn't even hinge on discussion of a secret society, but asking for opinions if this group / that group / etc wants this person or that person to post in their thread, discussion, toy box.

Come on. Play nice everyone. As human ( or whatever we are ) we are all going to have different opinions / views on things. But to fight and bicker like children is getting old.

Now, can this be discussed civilly?

would any people from earth please rely to this thread. I am asking a real question because I am tired of fighting with trolls, I would however like to have intelegent discussion with inteligent people. That, after all, is what I came to ATS for.

What am I, from base sigma alpha 2? I've posted in two threads regarding this, and was pretty much overlooked. I am pretty intelligent ( college student, studying psychology and criminal justice ) and have years of personal research into various things ( nothing in-depth, but still worthwhile )

I answered above saying that I didn't think this whole thread really should of been started, as it seemed to be a way to just start a flame war between everyone.

I'd love to have insight / responses in a thread I started in this section, but because it asks for no discussion on masons, its been ignored.

I would like to think that we could all be mature enough (well ok so some cant)
that we could openly discuss anything and be able to somewhat keep it respectable dont cha think ?But first everyone has to be able to RESPECT eachother (maybe thats what is so hard for people to be able to do ..other than be able to control your tempers too)

I personally believe that if enough people (on both sides) would just do their own research by Reading BOTH SIDES of the subject at hand (yes people you have to actually read not just ramble).
Reading both sides means from all sources you can possibly find (Library,Internet searches etc ) researching all sides of course ..
For instance I wanted to know for myself what exactly the Masons believed I had to read their own handbook and read peoples sites who had been a member themselves (I read the ones who were still signed up and ones who bailed out once they did their own research) ...I also had to look up meanings of their symbols (from their side and from the dictionary or whereever I had to look) ..Then I had to go and dig into ancient texts about Horus and Murdoch and on and on and on it went .....I spent years reading before I came to my own conclusion ..And I actually gave the Masons here on ATS *the ones who were actually nice and didnt always just get mad and say forget it go to hell to their opponents ..I respected them and was sure hopeing they were right that Masons are all good and its all just a buddy club ..no sinister background etc ..Until I looked into it all myself ..
(see I did all of my homework years before I even started posting in your forum)

I bet we could all come up with at least part of the truth together we all just did all of the above ...

The masons inside the British establishment are pure poison. they corrupt, sway, and turn the blind eye, because they always help out a fellow brother mason.

That rule alone says that if your a mason you should not be allowed to be a judge, Police officer, firefighter, medic or any post where you 'helping out a fellow mason' makes some one who is not a mason lose out because of it.

if a person doesn't get a rise through their career because they are rubbish, fine. if they don't get it because a mason gives a fellow mason a helping hand and advantages, then thats real bad.

I am pretty sure that every club,religion whatever has their dark sides ...
And they for sure have different branches (it is almost like an octopus) .

But everyone has its beginning point and the handbooks or bibles or whatever has a foundation from which it was based on .

Thats what we need to concentrait on finding out about ...in my humble opinion of course...And we need to DIG to find that info ..not just go by what someone says ..or does ...

I am also pretty sure that most people would not ..nor should not ...join anything without first doing some serious background investigating of their own before joining up ...because as with anything ..who you associate with and what clubs your a memeber of (or churchs) that is what others will judge by ....unfortunately thats just the way it is ...which is why no one should blindly just join something anyway ....


Which is why I belong to no church ..no club ..no niches .. because I dont stand for what they do ..and many things they do say believe in are contrary to what I believe to be good and right and just ............
So I dont associate myself with any of them .
I will talk with them .. and I dont think of myself as better than them ..
I just dont want what they do or say or act ..to reflect back to me ......
if I didnt believe like they do I shouldnt be sitting up there with them nodding my head pretending that I do .............

The only thing I am anti is exploitation of people and suppression of knowledge that can be a benefit to people in a good way.

From what I've seen Freemasons are just a branch of this gang system, but their not the only ring.



[edit on 30-8-2008 by Shawn B.]

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