Here's the Ad Obama is suing to keep you from watching, page 4
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reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 04:54 AM by bobafett
I haven't seen anyone post this yet:

www.americanissuesproject.org...

From that page you can get a 167 page pdf (direct: www.americanissuesproject.org... )

This claims to be the research and proof of all the claims, I haven't read it yet, so am holding back judgement, but it should be a useful part of our evaluation of this.

[edit on 27/8/2008 by bobafett]


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 10:10 AM by Benevolent Heretic
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Thank you, bobafet for caring about research instead of just believing whatever these 527 groups say.

For one thing, knowing someone does not mean Obama shares his opinions or approves of his every move. Also, it does not make Obama RESPONSIBLE in any way for something Ayers did when Obama was SEVEN YEARS OLD.

Reading the sources that this ad says they have, I found NO PROOF that Obama ever said that Ayers is respectable and mainstream. But someone in his campaign said that Ayers HAS BECOME respectable and mainstream. And he HAS. He is a professor at Chicago University. A respectable and mainstream position.

I'd like to ask... What does this ad mean? So, Obama knows this guy. This guy who committed crimes when Obama was 7 years old. He served on a committee with him. The guy donated a very small amount of money to Obama's campaign and once he got out of the life of crime, he launched Obama's run for State Senate in his house.

What does that say about Obama? What does this ad MEAN? I'd really like to know what people think this means.


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 10:24 AM by mister.old.school
Has this video made it into the discussion yet?



It discussions McCain's much more overt and friendly connections to a known criminal who conspired to undermine the national political process and advocated the killing of federal agents.


reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 10:28 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Thought some might find this interesting:

Obama Fights "Swiftboat" Style Ads


The counter ad is only part of the Obama team's response. Bauer has written legal letters to television stations, asserting that the Ayers ad is illegal and false, and that its airing is subject to a Federal Election Commission penalty. Obama did not call Ayers "respectable" and "mainstream," Bauer said. Those words were used by a journalist in an article that was posted along with many others on the Obama campaign Web site.
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More than 93,000 pro-Obama e-mails have flooded Sinclair Broadcasting Group stations that are running the ad, many of them threatening to boycott the stations and their advertisers. Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor warned that other stations that accept the ad can expect the same response.

Efforts to stop the Ayers ad have not come only from the Obama campaign. A film company in Berkeley, Calif., that made an Oscar-nominated documentary in 2004 on the Weather Underground group has issued a cease-and-desist letter to the American Issues Project, saying that it illegally appropriated copyright images from the film for the ad.



reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 11:20 AM by Benevolent Heretic
Here's what McCain said about the 527 ads:



I guess he changed his mind...

What I find so sad about this is that now that this first "salvo" has been thrown, and McCain's campaign hasn't responded, except:


Rogers made no effort to distance McCain from the Ayers issue. "If he thinks his long association with an unrepentant domestic terrorist is nothing the American people should be concerned about, he's delusional or naive," Rogers said of Obama. "The guy's running for president. It's an issue."


Source

I'm afraid Democratic 527s will take the low road, too, and respond in kind. I really hope they don't. There's a lot of ammunition they could work with to make John McCain out to be a criminal and a wolf in sheep's clothing, but I hope they don't.

Just because it's an interesting juxtaposition, here are several McCain ads and Obama ads, paid for by the campaign and by "others":

Wall Street Journal

Obama has the Guts to Criticize Ads He Disagrees With

[edit on 27-8-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]



reply posted on 27-8-2008 @ 12:44 PM by Blaine91555
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Yeah, I'm kinda neutral on this one. I don't think it is a real issue. This election is hard for me.
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