Here's the Ad Obama is suing to keep you from watching

I haven't seen anyone post this yet:

www.americanissuesproject.org...

From that page you can get a 167 page pdf (direct: www.americanissuesproject.org... )

This claims to be the research and proof of all the claims, I haven't read it yet, so am holding back judgement, but it should be a useful part of our evaluation of this.

[edit on 27/8/2008 by bobafett]

Originally posted by tom goose
UHHH, if the government in messin around and not doing their job, or worse, working against their own people, isn't the actions of Weather Underground completely justified?

To plant and detonate bombs?? And injure and kill innocent people? Uh, let me think .... NO!

Originally posted by Alora


Sadly there are enough people out there who will believe anything they are told, so he actually does have something to worry about from those people.

if there is something inaccurate about that spot, here would be a good opportunity to point it out

i have to wonder why you haven't yet?

Originally posted by Ismail
Well, even if it is true, would you prefer a guy who is friends with a bomber, or a guy who actually bombed and killed civilians in vietnam ?
Just to make a point...
I don't know why anyone thinks this election is so important.
Both candidates were picked by the same people.
Two names, one game...

rubbish, one man was serving his country, another was attacking the very core of his own country

no comparison

Originally posted by Cyberbian
Ads like that are why I will never vote for McCain!

He works through distortion, inuendo, lies, misconstructions and deception.
A leader you can believe in?

care to point out the lie and distortion contained in the ad spot?

is that too much to ask?

liberal denial knows no bounds...

Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Alora
Sadly there are enough people out there who will believe anything they are told, so he actually does have something to worry about from those people.

All Obama needs to do is go after the teenage vote... which he is doing

[edit on 26-8-2008 by zorgon]

the first tactic, corrupt the youth

teenagers arent exactly known for their reputation of good judgement and braininess...

they are easily manipulated, so of course, who better for the dem's to hoodwink?

its a "no-brainer", so to speak...

Originally posted by dgtempe
In my heart, i dont think Americans take well to be led by a dark skinned person. Just my opinion, and i beleive i am correct.

hardly, when condoleeza rice and colin powell run for office, they'll be warmly recieved... its always liberals who bring up race, curious.

McCain: MORE YEARS OF BUSH HORROR

you sure have the mantra down pat, congratulations...

Since when was serving on the board of directors with someone, make them your friend, ally, or otherwise indicative of your own character?

From americanissuesproject.org's own linked document for 'proof':

OBAMA: George, but this is an example of what I'm talking about. This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood, who's a professor of English in Chicago who I know and who I have not received some official endorsement from. He's not somebody who I exchange ideas from on a regular basis.

And the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8 years old, somehow reflects on me and my values doesn't make much sense, George.

The fact is that I'm also friendly with Tom Coburn, one of the most conservative Republicans in the United States Senate, who, during his campaign, once said that it might be appropriate to apply the death penalty to those who carried out abortions.

Do I need to apologize for Mr. Coburn's statements? Because I certainly don't agree with those, either.

So this kind of game in which anybody who I know, regardless of how flimsy the relationship is, that somehow their ideas could be attributed to me, I think the American people are smarter than that. They're not going to suggest somehow that that is reflective of my views, because it obviously isn't.

this obama sure associates with very unsavory, un-american people, doesnt he?

all the blame america first fans have certainly found a hero in him...

his wife only recently found a reason to be proud of america (very self-serving reason)

his pastor preached more hatred of america, than the gospel (obama raised his kids in this church, and only recently decided to dis-associate himself when things became inconvenient!)

the rev. jesse "lovechild" jackson... well, what more needs to be said

and now joey biden.... the guy who wants to discard the second amendment...

could there be a more socialist, marxist campaign?

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Thank you, bobafet for caring about research instead of just believing whatever these 527 groups say.

For one thing, knowing someone does not mean Obama shares his opinions or approves of his every move. Also, it does not make Obama RESPONSIBLE in any way for something Ayers did when Obama was SEVEN YEARS OLD.

Reading the sources that this ad says they have, I found NO PROOF that Obama ever said that Ayers is respectable and mainstream. But someone in his campaign said that Ayers HAS BECOME respectable and mainstream. And he HAS. He is a professor at Chicago University. A respectable and mainstream position.

I'd like to ask... What does this ad mean? So, Obama knows this guy. This guy who committed crimes when Obama was 7 years old. He served on a committee with him. The guy donated a very small amount of money to Obama's campaign and once he got out of the life of crime, he launched Obama's run for State Senate in his house.

What does that say about Obama? What does this ad MEAN? I'd really like to know what people think this means.

Has this video made it into the discussion yet?



It discussions McCain's much more overt and friendly connections to a known criminal who conspired to undermine the national political process and advocated the killing of federal agents.

Originally posted by Ismail
Well, even if it is true, would you prefer a guy who is friends with a bomber, or a guy who actually bombed and killed civilians in vietnam ?
Just to make a point...
I don't know why anyone thinks this election is so important.
Both candidates were picked by the same people.
Two names, one game...

Exactly! Follow the money trail...

They'll both do the same things, just talk about them differently.

What a waste of millions of dollars.

Thought some might find this interesting:

Obama Fights "Swiftboat" Style Ads

The counter ad is only part of the Obama team's response. Bauer has written legal letters to television stations, asserting that the Ayers ad is illegal and false, and that its airing is subject to a Federal Election Commission penalty. Obama did not call Ayers "respectable" and "mainstream," Bauer said. Those words were used by a journalist in an article that was posted along with many others on the Obama campaign Web site.
...
More than 93,000 pro-Obama e-mails have flooded Sinclair Broadcasting Group stations that are running the ad, many of them threatening to boycott the stations and their advertisers. Obama campaign spokesman Tommy Vietor warned that other stations that accept the ad can expect the same response.

Efforts to stop the Ayers ad have not come only from the Obama campaign. A film company in Berkeley, Calif., that made an Oscar-nominated documentary in 2004 on the Weather Underground group has issued a cease-and-desist letter to the American Issues Project, saying that it illegally appropriated copyright images from the film for the ad.

Here's what McCain said about the 527 ads:



I guess he changed his mind...

What I find so sad about this is that now that this first "salvo" has been thrown, and McCain's campaign hasn't responded, except:

Rogers made no effort to distance McCain from the Ayers issue. "If he thinks his long association with an unrepentant domestic terrorist is nothing the American people should be concerned about, he's delusional or naive," Rogers said of Obama. "The guy's running for president. It's an issue."

Source

I'm afraid Democratic 527s will take the low road, too, and respond in kind. I really hope they don't. There's a lot of ammunition they could work with to make John McCain out to be a criminal and a wolf in sheep's clothing, but I hope they don't.

Just because it's an interesting juxtaposition, here are several McCain ads and Obama ads, paid for by the campaign and by "others":

Wall Street Journal

Obama has the Guts to Criticize Ads He Disagrees With

[edit on 27-8-2008 by Benevolent Heretic]

I'm neither for nor against Obama. Forgive me if this stuff has been said, I don't have much time right now.

That info about Ayers and Obama has been reported for months and I'm surprised it is new to anyone. Obama and Ayers are neighbors in fact. They are apparently friends of many years. What does that mean? Up to each person to decide. Are politicians the company they keep? Again, up to the voter to decide.

As far as Ayers. He ruined others lives and its just plain dumb luck he did not kill people. I've seen tapes of him and he has no remorse. I'm not sure why he is not in prison.

The Weather Underground was a violent murderous group while the rest of us wanted peace and non-violence. They were traitors to their own cause. Neither side had any regard for them. They were part of the problem not the solution. Only violent worthless people supported them. If you think bombing tax payer built buildings and total disregard for others lives is a good thing, you would like Ayers. If you are for peace and non-violence you should hate him and his friends. That's all I have to say about that bum. Interesting he is rich and that he could be such an animal and still succeed.

My only thought on Obama is he has poor judgment in his choice of friends. I hope he denounces what Ayers did publicly.

It really is a shame that to replace one nut in the White House, the democrats are so willing to install another one, just so long as he claims to have a little "D" after his name.

And the Republicans haven't done any better with their choice.

So sad where we are headed.

Either way.

[edit on 27-8-2008 by loam]

Originally posted by Blaine91555
I hope he denounces what Ayers did publicly.

He has. MANY times. When Obama met Ayers, Ayers was a college professor.

Source

We're talking Guilt by Association here.

But that's good enough for some.

reply to post by Benevolent Heretic


Yeah, I'm kinda neutral on this one. I don't think it is a real issue. This election is hard for me.

Gosh, I thought I was going to see a comercial exposing him as a CFR member, who is part of the globalist plan to highjack America, utilizing globalist advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski as an advisor.


talk about distractions....