Another NASA employee comes forward - 8-9 Foot Alien Sighted, page 30

reply to post by JimOberg

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JimO!!

fascinating, you're back. must be a story there, based on your point count....

reply to post by JimOberg

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Nice to see you back Mr. Oberg

I hope this time not all of your contributions are meant to criticize everyone who dares not believe everything NASA has to say.

Clark Mcclelland has been telling the same story for ages, this thread is good just to remind some of the fellow members of what this man has been trying to make public knowledge for a long time




[edit on 11-8-2008 by Camilo1]

On another discussion board we were directed to Scott McCleland's photograph and business card as displayed at rense.com... [here rense.com...]
as a demonstration that he was a fully credible source on UFO information.

At that time, I had noticed that it said:

Kennedy Space Center, Florida
PO Box 690662, Orlando, FL 32869

Now, since the Kennedy Space Center is not in Orlando, I was curious
whether this was some branch office. I asked around. My associates at
the 'real' KSC now tell me they have no idea what KSC function could be
using a post office box in a city an hour's drive away from the real space port.

They suggested -- and after a few moment's thought I can't think of any argument to refute them -- that the alleged 'business card' was privately printed up by somebody wanting to falsely claim a non-existent current relationship with NASA's Kennedy Space Center.

All accessible records indicate that the genuine address and zip-code of the
Kennedy Space Center is:

Kennedy Space Center, Florida 32899-0001

and that current employees giving out genuine business cards also need
to include a 'mail code', usually a capital letter or two followed by a few digits. They also would include an office phone number.

What other explanations are possible, before we rush to judgment here?

I don't doubt that McClelland was working at the Cape during the period he claims -- he's provided plenty of credible evidence for that. But I have my doubts about that supposed 'business card'. Let's discuss this, and its implications.





[edit on 12-8-2008 by JimOberg]

reply to post by JimOberg

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Jim, i am interested to hear what you have to say. But i would also like to state that i would rather see you dispute the data, not the person. It is cheap and lowbrow. Beat up the info first, at least a little, before you point to the person.

Otherwise, you seem kind of jerkish in the way you go about business as you only post to discuss people, not their story. My wife is hispanic, and she would say you are gossiping like a 'vieja".



[edit on 12-8-2008 by bigfatfurrytexan]

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by JimOberg

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Jim, i am interested to hear what you have to say. But i would also like to state that i would rather see you dispute the data, not the person. It is cheap and lowbrow. Beat up the info first, at least a little, before you point to the person.

Otherwise, you seem kind of jerkish in the way you go about business as you only post to discuss people, not their story. My wife is hispanic, and she would say you are gossiping like a 'vieja".

[edit on 12-8-2008 by bigfatfurrytexan]

I wonder if Jim has contacted Clark directly with his questions, or whether he just prefers to cherry-pick ambiguous claims made by Clark. Clark does not tell lies - period! But he can be made to look like he is, via selective nit-picking.

Put together all the whistleblowers and witnesses like Clark, and you see an emerging picture, whereby the aerospace/hi-level military/intelligence complex have their own advanced technology, with all the toys and goodies that go along with antigravity, ftl travel and rubbing shoulders with non-humans.

I'd like to know is who is calling the shots with this action, what unites them, and what agenda they have. Considering the growing realisation that CIA directors, Presidents, and the Rockefellers are not in this loop - I'd rather be discussing what the hell is going on - rather than endless character assassination of everyone who comes forward with anything of interest.

peace

Duncan

reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan

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Dear BigfatfurryFELLOWtexan:

Aside from stories for which he's often the sole surviving witness, what else IS there to McClelland's argument? Isn't it possible that there are clues within his text -- references to people and events, use and misuse of space jargon, etc., that can give evidence for the degree of credibility his narratives deserve? How else would you suggest ANY attempt at corroboration proceed?

This new claim, that McClelland was witness to a UFO sighting by Gordon Cooper on Mercury-9, is new to me. See
www.stargate-chronicles.com... where he writes:

„I heard the voice of Astronaut Gordon Cooper during his Mercury 9 mission report a ‚green colored object’ that appeared to be passing his capsule in the opposite orbital direction over the Pacific Ocean.

„I was at the Mercury Mission Control facility here at Cape Canaveral on the day of the return to earth by Cooper... I immediately heard communications between Mercury 9 and the Cap Com (Capsule Communication) officer, Astronaut Wally Schirra who was tracking Cooper and the Faith 7 across the Pacific Ocean on its final pass prior to splash down in that same area on its next pass. The commentary was on an open PA system at mission control. Following the disclosure of Cooper that he was observing a "green colored object", and other comments that were made by Astronaut Scott Carpenter who was in the Kauai, Hawaii tracking station concerning it.“

McClelland adds, "Many years later, I spoke with Gordo during a phone conversation and asked him if he would elaborate? He denied it was a fact and said he did not see an object during Mercury 9. But, I had heard him say he was tracking such an object? He quickly added, we are on a phone, Slim."

A good historical question is whether McClelland's reports to NICAP mentioned this, at that time, and then led to widespread publicity for the story. Alternately, McClelland may have read the press reports and later remembered having experienced it directly. I'd like to know, from Richard Hall or from McClelland, if there are any copies of any report he filed about this incident contemporary with it -- or has only recently remembered it??

I’ve written up my assessment of this story here:
www.zip.com.au...

In this 1984 report, I quote a 1978 letter to me from Cooper where he stressed "the non-occurrence of a sighting on Mercury 9. I have the original on-board tapes in my possession which also refute this."

Apparently it is Cooper's position that the Mercury-9 UFO story is bogus -- he never talked about it in the all the later years he was disclosing his own UFO experiences elsewhere. Can this be reconciled with McClelland's story of being a direct earwitness?

reply to post by JimOberg

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If you are a Texan, you can't be ALL bad. LOL

In all seriousness, the business card is not damning evidence of much. I would need to know who "owns" the address printed on it. Then it might be a little more relevant.

Being in business, I can say that it is very reasonable that there would be some sort of satellite office located an hour or two away. I have peers in my company that manage groups of 300 while not even living in the same state.

We use things like Blackberry, VPN, Polycom/Vodaphone, and spend hours daily on conference calls.

I would be interested to know what relationship can be claimed between the address used and any possible research facilities with somewhat unique functions (i.e., university).

I think you need to do some more homework. Otherwise, as Duncan says, it is a character assassination.

reply to post by JimOberg

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Ok I'll take a stab since I live in the Orlando area. First there is no 32869 zip code in Orlando...so I did a search for the state of Florida (which includes post office boxes) and there is no 32869 in the entire state (see below)

www.visitingdc.com...

Also, there are no NASA offices in the area. Now NASA contactors such as Martin Marietta, etc., is another story. So unless this is a super secret NASA zip code then I wouldn't lend much creedence to this so aledged business card.

Originally posted by GeneralLee
reply to post by JimOberg

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Ok I'll take a stab since I live in the Orlando area. First there is no 32869 zip code in Orlando...so I did a search for the state of Florida (which includes post office boxes) and there is no 32869 in the entire state (see below)

www.visitingdc.com...

Also, there are no NASA offices in the area. Now NASA contactors such as Martin Marietta, etc., is another story. So unless this is a super secret NASA zip code then I wouldn't lend much creedence to this so aledged business card.

That is very interesting, indeed. When i used some Google-Fu on it, here is what i get:

www.google.com...

Perhaps your source is faulty?

In the Orlando area you have many, many possibilities. Lockheed-Martin and multiple universities and government installations.

In fact, it would seem that Mr. Oberg is incorrect in his assertion:

32869.us...

Orlando is close enough to Patrick Air Force Base, Cape Canaveral Air Force Station, and Kennedy Space Center for residents to commute to work from the city's suburbs. It also allows easy access to Port Canaveral, an important cruise ship terminal. Because of its proximity to the "Space Coast" near the Kennedy Space Center, many high-tech companies have shifted to the Orlando area.

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