"If it were a murder trial, so far you have a "Not Guilty" verdict."

Don't you have it completely backwards? The presumption of an unusual claim is that it is false, until it is proven true. All we have are wild stories full of a lot more than misstatements and misspellings. Are there ANY independent reasons to suggest that ANY of those claims are credible?

Example: A guy says he KNOWS an unknown object is approaching Earth at one quarter light speed but the gummint is withholding knowledge from the public.

Are you saying that it is your habit to assume it's true until somebody DISproves it?

That strikes me as downright un-TEXan...

Originally posted by JimOberg
"If it were a murder trial, so far you have a "Not Guilty" verdict."

Don't you have it completely backwards? The presumption of an unusual claim is that it is false, until it is proven true. All we have are wild stories full of a lot more than misstatements and misspellings. Are there ANY independent reasons to suggest that ANY of those claims are credible?

no sir. you are trying to prove that he is less than truthful. the burden of proof lies on you.

Given the other comments by ex-NASA employee's, i would not call his claims unusual.

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Given the other comments by ex-NASA employee's, i would not call his claims unusual.

Who else says there's an unknown undisclosed object approaching earth at 25% light speed?

Who else says eight foot tall aliens have been 'standing' (in zero-G, less) in the shuttle in flight?

Who ELSE?

Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Perhaps you would rather see him prove that he is not a liar....but I don't think that is what people do in court when they are accused. The burden of proof lies with the accuser, and he is the one being accused.

I am nowhere calling him a liar.

HE is the accuser -- that all the space program is a phony front for alien contacts and interceptions, with true events being covered up by threat, intimidation, and bribery, and everybody EXCEPT him has succumbed to the evil forces, and serves them.

Don't you consider that an accusation? Or is that your basic assumption of reality as well?

Philosophically, he is accusing the 'standard model' of reality as being false, and he demands that a new model based on his terms replace it. The burden of proof is on him. I'm dismayed that you fundamentally don't seem to get it.

What is REALITY?


What is time?

What is Truth?

What is perspective?

You have the people that experience outside of these two things and you might become shortlived, and experience things from the OTHER PERSPECTIVE. Or dare I say the (other side.)

Everybody here has a mission they just have to return to the mission control center and find out what that (IT) is.

You get somebodies own perspective of the above questions and you will get different answers saying the same thing in linear mechanics.

You want to find one answer to the TRUTH that exists, but beyond that truth there is only a feeling on the way home.


Person one says:
I have seen a human from a different perspective.

Person two says:I have seen somebody that looks just like me but they are not.

Person three says:I have just seen something beyond my comprehension but I just stare and observe with no ideas.

Person four says:I know what I am seeing is not necessarily THE truth but a truth that allows my space to grow.

Meng, I know you're just trying to be helpful, but my constrained ape-brain just can't seem to grasp the meta-concepts you are trying to instill in me. My intellectual inadequacies are a daily torment to me, alas.

[not the real JimO speaking]

Originally posted by menguard

There are thirty two people on this board as we speak that just got what I said

There are two posters stating the contrary, myself and another.

How about we just get back to Clark, NASA, supposed aliens, and the Shuttle, save the head games for your "higher light" thread.

Now from the detailed picture of McClelland it shows that his density must be right for that position of space, for the eight footer not to be floating off into space, while Earthlings are tied down, see what happens when you get outside your time space you go floating off somewhere, I thought gravity was present where there is only life.

-The Gravity in space is an intelligently designed feat-

What happens when somebodies thoughtforms are in a different space, you go floating off into space until you reach the center of gravity.

So a humans charge around the body is different while in space, that means somebody designed the body to operate into one form and outside Earth is like operating in Spirit.

When out in space there is no up, down, right or left, things that appear to be a hundred miles away are right in front of us. In the here and now.

A lot deals with the angles in which our perception arrives, the locality of that position determines a lot.

A lot of Optical Illusions appear out there. You will have an object moving in every direction all at the same time, this in essence would be like experiencing the Nanosecond.

You have an object moving towards you from every direction at every position possible, so while you are seeing and object afar it has just passed by you. You have caught it in two places at the exact same time. Just before it went out of view it reappeared at the same instant it disappeared.

[edit on 15-8-2008 by menguard]