One third of 'british Muslim' students say killing for islam is ok.

Originally posted by rexpop
Really, guys, you're getting your "information" from the Daily Mail again. I might as well throw-up and let your guys haruspex it - you'll probably be closer to the truth. The tabloids just want you to be afraid of everyone and everything.

Well, Rex, without reading the posts beyond yours here is a video for you to watch.

video.google.com...

Aside from that video however, I know muslims personally. One of them even tried to rip me off once - that is until he and his friends realised I could understand Arabic, and knew what he was saying. It espeically shocked them when I responded in kind too.

"Not so intelligent these whites..." were his comments so I thanked him, and reminded him that I was not deaf. I had never seen an arab go 'white' before.

Have you heard of dhimmitude? If not, I suggest you look it up. The 'holy' Qu'ran demands that non-muslims be slaughtered or enter into 'dhimmitude'... It has nothing to do with being friends either.

Oh, and whilst we are on the subject, if Islam is such a peaceful and all knowing religion, why is it that muslims kept slaves until the West put so much pressure on them that they abandoned the practice? That was only a few years ago too.... not heard about that one? Look it up!

Read and learn, rex, read and learn.

Originally posted by TrueLight
Your point is well made, I became astonished by the blatant rascism and felt compelled to comment. I am leaving this thread now. Thanks for the wake-up call

No, you felt compelled to jump on the "OMG YOU'RE RACIST" bandwagon, instead of standing up for your country and the way its going down the pan, YOU are the problem with this country and will only see the problem when you're looking at the world through a veil.

Anyone who thinks the BNP aren't racist is deluded, didn't you see the documentary where they secretly filmed Nick Griffen and the other party leaders? It's at the highest levels, and there is no doubt they go way beyond acceptable nationalism.

reply to post by Liamoville


Who said I was afraid? I just happen to know who the real bad guys are. I don't have to worry about Islam. No Muslim has ever tried to enforce any rule of their faith upon me, prolly cos they know what would happen. Christians have, however.

And as for assuming I am a pacifist... rofl. Don't get it twisted boy. Not being a racist, religiously intolerant fool is not equal to being a pacifist. You would know that if you left your cave once in a while.

But hey, seems I hit a nerve.

Oh, and btw...

Also if you can read which i presume you can, you might want to stop twisting my words, i never actually said I SUPPORT THE BNP, i asked how long before people will be voting for them.

Assuming you can read also, you should also have read that I said your words indicate support of them. Don't throw your toys out of the pram just because you got sussed. You don't have to type the words to say something The discerning reader can see where you're coming from. If you feel you're being misunderstodd, then maybe you should tone down the snotty little comments about curry and things like that. Its often not the big things you say, its the little things you think people will not pay attention to. Your language smacks of bigotry.

You're the type of person that will do anything to avoid conflict for the fear of being called a racist, you're exactly whats wrong with this country.

ROFL.

Oh here we go "You're in the PC brigade blah blah blah"

Please, allow this information to infiltrate into your brain. Don't type and read, no distractions, just read.

Being non racist does NOT make you non confrontational. I have no fear of being called a racist, because I know I am not. The thing you can't seem to comprehend is that I can see beyond religions and races, and I know who the real bad guys are. If you don't, that's your ignorance. Don't lash out at people because you've been conned.

You say I am exactly what is wrong with this country? But I thought it was those damn Muslims who were the big issue with this country. Make up your mind.

Originally posted by Terran Blue
reply to post by TrueLight

 

But I digress. What these people fail to realise is that you are entirely correct. All this crap being stirred up is for a reason. DEFLECTION.

All these Brits whining about how they hate PC, and they hate how this country is going etc etc... How misguided they are in their hatred. They still think in terms of Right and Left. ITS ALL THE SAME.



As for Liamoville, who said in a poorly veiled manner that he supports the BNP, you should be ashamed. The BNP Neo-Nazis are a disgrace to this country. They are a disgrace to WHITE PEOPLE. A band of braindead racist thugs led by some jumped up Welsh ponce who the media wheel out whenever they want a good bit of civil tension. You think thats good? You need to seriously step back and see they are nothing but s***-stirrers and troublemakers. You think that their level of sheer bloody ignorance and stupidity is something to support? If you do, then I guess you're right, this country IS going down the tubes, but I had us Brits pegged down as something smarter than that.

I suppose you voted Labour at the last election.

The BNP are not the neo-nazis you claim, and before you label me a BNP supporter, I'm not... I actually stood AGAINST the BNP candidate at the last election (in my home town). I have however looked at the BNP manifestos, and can say for sure that the most the BNP have done wrong is their fiscal policy... it's a little too socialist for my liking - which is why I shall not join their party. So I suggest you read and learn... it is a fascinating past-time... reading and LEARNING!

Something you seem to have neglected to do - reading and LEARNING.

What really gets my goat is that when NATIVE peoples want to preserve their culture and herritage, as we White-Anglos-Saxon-Protestants wish to do, we are labelled a bunch of racists. Muslims are allowed to 'preserve' their culture and heritage... 'hindus' are allowed to preserve their culture and heritage. They (and other groups) are allowed to take whites to court for 'racist' crimes when their herritage is suppressed in a land that they EMIGRATED TO!!!! So why is it so 'racist' when ANGLO-SAXONS wish to preserve their heritage and culture?


The other point. The media whips up what hatred they like, whenever they like. However, it is caclulated, and follows an agenda. It has nothing to do with stiring up racisim. They get people angry about issues that you have no idea about. You really think it is about Islam on this occasion?

Besides, racist was a term invented by Karl Marx... are you a Communist/Marxist? I sincerely hope not, because communism, is almost the same as Islam... the only difference is that one has a human 'god' at its head.

So before you start attacking and villifying groups or people here on ATS do yourself a favour and read about the subjects you claim to know. You are not the brightest of bears in the woods (in my esimation) if you have to fire off as you do, without reading and LEARNING first.

I have asked you a few questions here, and civility and decorum would suggest you will answer them. I look forward to what you have to say.

Originally posted by Terran Blue
reply to post by Liamoville

 

Being non racist does NOT make you non confrontational. I have no fear of being called a racist, because I know I am not. The thing you can't seem to comprehend is that I can see beyond religions and races, and I know who the real bad guys are. If you don't, that's your ignorance. Don't lash out at people because you've been conned.

So who, in your opinion, are the bad guys?

people are making this a race issue... a Give peace a chance issue... poet mentions moderate Muslims...

The Issue isn't about any of this...

England Is England.. Not India, Not Iran, Not Palestine... Not Isreal for that matter either...

JAPAN handles the situation Correctly, it plays a role on the world stage, maintains fantastic tourism, trades with a myriad of cultures...

and It maintains it's Identity and is not a Racist nation for doing so...


National policy that allows for the eradication of the culture of the country is policy that neesds removing...

This world IS about many Cultures, I think equally Islam has alot to offer the world, I really do... Islam however is growing at a ridiculous rate, islam EXPORTS it's culture and any smart nation wouldn't allow it...

Frankly I don't think the USA should encourage immigration from any culture that converts agressively or doesn't control it's population growth

China... does it right too, Islam isn't allowed to exist in China, very little problem of Islamic law being enforced on the streets of China beyond the Chinese courts, they deal with that sort of thing swiftly...

Britain is failing it's people by allowing whats going on in certain neighborhoods to go on, it's not racist to insist people follow your laws and allow only immigration to a level that maintains a bit of genetic diversity so inbreeding doesn't become a problem...

Lets be real.. I fas an American I fell in Love with an English Woman and Moved to England...within a couple of years I'd pick up the accent, I'd be part of the culture in every way...

This isin't what's happening...

I have seen people of every nation come to America, Enemies... Russians, Vietnamese... whatever lol... within a few years they are American....

Islam doesn't do this, it's about taking over the culture it enters... you just can't allow it...

Ethnic cleansing no...lol, that's retarded, but you can send people that don't obey the law home, you can stop bringing more, you can insist on your language and customs being followed

Originally posted by bobafett
Anyone who thinks the BNP aren't racist is deluded, didn't you see the documentary where they secretly filmed Nick Griffen and the other party leaders? It's at the highest levels, and there is no doubt they go way beyond acceptable nationalism.

Oh MY GOD! There, I have said it.

I once thought that people here followed the 'edict' of DENY IGNORANCE!

Did you not follow the court case between Nick Griffin and the BBC?

Did you not understand what acquitted meant?

My word.

The BBC are far, far more racist than the BNP could even dream of being.

However, I do not say racist, as the Marxists of this site would use it. Instead I use it to highlight the highly disproportionate numbers of 'ethnic' peoples broadcast on the BBC.

Have you heard of Common Purpose? If not, read and learn.

I even asked the BBC for a comment once about why a news report that showed over ten people on the street didn't include a single WHITE person... NOT ONE! Their answer... they 'couldn't find one'!!!!

Now there is something wrong there. I happen to understand that this country has a population of something like 93.9% (approximate) WHITE people. Are you telling me that when conducting an interview (of which the BBC does a minimum of twenty people) that they couldn't find the average WHITE man on the street?

To that I say nonsense.

The BBC is supposed to be impartial, and give a fair and balanced view. I asked them why they couldn't do this on that particular occasion... their answer - it would have 'cost too much time and money to do so'....

Oh really?

Read and learn, read and learn....

If you need to see a copy of the letter that I got from the BBC please do let me have your email address via U2U and I'll send you the scans....


Racists indeed.... the only racists here are those that wont open their eyes and see that we are being stitched up and laughed at on a daily basis by these people...


Deny ignorance... ring any bells?



Edited for spelling - 28-07-08

[edit on 28-7-2008 by dampnickers]

reply to post by Sheeper


LOL

Ah yeah, cos as a local, you understand British ethnic politics don't you...

No one said anything about hating all brown people, you are an ignorant fool, your mind is so simple as that is your reasoning as to why people would oppose them. Quick lesson, Islam is not a race, Islam comprises people of all colors.

Oh wait... but if you knew what you were talking about, rather than talking from your rectum, then you would know that most muslims in the UK are Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Persian and Arab.

Common denominator?

See, you might be aware that Islam covers all colours and creeds, but to the average moron Brit, Muslim equals middle eastern or subcontinental asian.

Looks like you're the fool.

reply to post by Terran Blue


If you would like you can read straight form the source (See Dan's post below)

OK here are some of the points

-Just under a third of Muslim students polled (32%) said killing in the name of religion can be justified

-Half (50%) of Muslim students polled said they would be unsupportive of a friend’s decision to leave Islam. A quarter (25%) said they would be supportive.

-Almost a quarter (24%) of Muslim student respondents do not feel that men and women are fully equal in the eyes of Allah.

-A third (33%) of Muslim students polled supported the introduction of a worldwide Caliphate based on Sharia law.

-40% of Muslims said that they thought that it was unacceptable for Muslim men and women to mix freely.

At least look for the sources before writing off something...

Originally posted by Terran Blue
reply to post by Sheeper

 

Oh wait... but if you knew what you were talking about, rather than talking from your rectum, then you would know that most muslims in the UK are Pakistani, Bangladeshi, Persian and Arab.

Common denominator?

'Fool' is he?

I am a 'Brit' and far from what you claimed there I know that Muslims come in all shapes, sizes, and colours.

Oh, wait... that means I have learned a thing or two about Islam.

To answer your question about the common denominator, it is the Qu'ran and the other book called the Hadith. The books that speak of unbelievable evils...

Let us not forget that the 'Prophet' took for himself a wife at the age of six and CONSUMATED that marriage when she was just nine-years-of-age.

Hmmmmm. I don't recall Jesus ever doing anything like that. I also don't recall Jesus calling for the beheading of Jews just becuase he didn't get on with them. Nor do I recally Jesus commanding his disciples to lie in order to 'effect a kill'...

I do recall Jesus saying 'be as ye little children' - in otherwords, be nice to each other, learn, play and enjoy life, whilst you are alive...

I also recally Mohammed saying "follow in my footsteps as Allah wishes" - in otherwords act, think and be like Mohammed.

You ever read the Qu'ran? I think not.

So before you defend Islam and Muslims everyhwere think hard and read and learn about the subject you are talking about.

As I've said many times here DENY IGNORANGE is an edict we are supposed to follow.

Ohhh argghhhhh, those crazy Muslims what will they think up next... to be honest I don't care, I live in the UK and when the time comes that they say "Get out of my county" I will do, until then, I'm gonna sit back and relax, whatever happens, happens.

The sun is shining, the birds are tweeting, let’s all go out and enjoy it (after work of course) this religious stuff can wait till winter.

reply to post by Liamoville

Lmao you're more of a moron than i thought

Ooo... How adult of you.

i never 'indicated' my support of the BNP and never have i said "how long before people vote for them" so stop trying to read between the lines because you're not very good at it.

**YAWN**

Look, its obvious. You don't like that you got sussed, too bad. Stop trying to cover your arse. You can't spout off on something with obvious connotations and then get bitchy when you get called out for it.

Get a bloody education, please.

Yes there is two problem with this country, the muslims that are trying to enforce their ways and laws on us

So first, please tell me what Muslims have enforced laws on you?

and the morons like you that allow it by saying "oh well dont believe government or the papers, because i know who the real evils are"

Sooooooooo... it would be safe to assume you are saying that having a healthy distrust of government and the media is the reason the government has a (purposefully) piss poor track record on immigration, intergration, education, and law enforcement.

ROFL... I rest my case.

You're type of joke that doesn't believe anything he reads, sees or hears.

Assumptions, assumptions...

There are things I believe when I see or hear them. I just know from studying media how to spot BS, and how to cross ref it with politcal overview. If you can't, then once again, its your ignorance.

but when you're claiming the government are the ones causing the tensions intentionally shows how silly you really are. You clearly havent experienced the ways Islam is getting deeprooted in our society. But let me guess i am the real evil in this world that stops our country being a lovely happy place? The problem with people on this site like you is that they've read so much crap and had all this "everythings a conspiracy" crap drilled into them that they overlook the obvious evils and problems.

By Lucifer's beard, you're just dense.

So hold on, one minute, I am pointing out evils, the next minute I am overlooking them?

And as for your guess, your guess is wrong in some ways, right in others. If you're part of the system, and blindly subscribe to the crap that the Government spouts, that right wing media spouts, then YES, you are part of the evil. If you get over yourself and see that the Government is trying SO hard to erase British national Identity through EU and Immigration policies, and you then realise that THEY are the enemy, then there may be some hope for you yet. Until that time, its really a waste of energy talking to you.

"Frankly I don't think the USA should encourage immigration from any culture that converts agressively or doesn't control it's population growth"

Agree 100% to this post.

What we are seeing is the fall of the Roman Empire all over again...

We of the west are getting decadent, ever thought how weak we are compared to our grandparents? We are growing soft, we dont have to fight for anything anymore in our world. We complain if we dont have a 60" Plasma/LCD TV to watch, we get upset if the que at McDonalds is too long, we cry and go to shrinks if our relationships breakdown.

Our Armies are becoming all to "touchy feely", "bastardisation" is no longer an acceptable tool to toughen new recruits... WEAK!!!

Our population growth is far too slow because we dont want to have broods of kids that we may not be able to support, we want the good life, and the good life for our kids.. How many parents would send their child to war if it came too it?

Kids are being raised by people to afraid to discipline an errant child at school.. There is no respect for authority anymore because there is no authority, thats why more and more kids are taking up wepons to fight each other because they are too cowardly to sort it out mano de mano, as result attacks are becoming more violent and due to the lack of discipline at a younger age, more frequent!!.. A paradox I know, but true WEAK!!!

We ARE going to fall, there is no doubt about it, it is just a question of when and by whom....

You think people in the harsher second and third world countries are sitting around preaching peace love and mungbeans? Enjoying the exploitation they are forced to endure by the noble west?

The world is becoming a smaller place, our good life is becoming more obvious to the other less fortunate countries and there inhabitants... Soon they will want the good life too, they will outnumber us both outside our borders and inside..

All they need is a bit of prodding in the right direction by the more fortunate enemies of the west...

A combination of Terrorist style attacks from the inside and a more conventional attack from the outside on a mass scale the likes of which we have never seen could very well bring us to our knees..

Of course the build up to this final conflict (which is happening right now) will take many years.. First our resources and our financial structures will have to be undermined...

Read your history books people, the model is there for all to see...

The Eagle has risen again as a world power, there are more players on the board this time but the world is not as large as it was then either...

So sit back, relax, teach peace and tolerance for your enemy...

Just dont expect your positive non ant killing Karma to protect you when they (whoever the "barbarians" may be this time) kick in your door...

They grow hungrier...

We grow fatter...

Wow, I'm having real difficulty keeping up with this thread. Don't you people work?

A few further points I'd like to make:

- I do not blame the immigrants for coming here and pushing for as much prosperity as possible. I hold our treacherous Government accountable. And yes, Labour and Conservative are the same. There is no right and left option. In my view, there is a multicultural conspiracy going in, which I elaborate on in this thread of mine.

However, while I do not blame Muslims, it does not mean I'll stand by and let them silently conquer. If the Government won't protect Britain, we the patriots must.

- Nationalism does not = racism, and until someone chimed in with their misconceptions, I don't believe the word "race" had even been used. In fact, it is the proponents of multiculturalism who are the most racist. They dream of an idyllic coffee-coloured global race of people with a singular culture. Don't you realise that this would require the complete erosion of tens-of-thousands of years of culture and tradition? Do you dislike it when cultures are seperated? Is that a little too colourful for you? Cultural solidarity is vital to the health of any nation. History proves this.

- I don't want violence, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna watch my heritage walked over. Every non-white nation in the world is allowed to protect their borders and their interests. Ultra-liberal lefties hail Malcolm X as a glorious prophet - the fact that he was fighting for the preservation of Black-African culture (something those same leftists would deny White-Europeans) is apparently acceptable.

THIS ISN'T ABOUT RACE. THIS ISN'T ABOUT SUPERIORITY. THIS ISN'T ABOUT HATRED.

This is about preserving ALL of the world's peoples and cultures. The British need a home, a place they have sovereignty over and pride in - just like every other creed in the world. I want the same for Muslims, but they already have their home countries.

And trust me, none of you will like the symptoms that arise from an increasingly multicultural, politically correct Britain. Lost youth, racial and religious conflict, terrorism, multi-lingualism and ancestral schizophrenia! In the long-run, you oh-so-enlightened Islam-sympathizers and pro-multiculturalists will be proven the real monsters. A happy, humane future requires national and cultural sovereignty for all the world's nations.

reply to post by Terran Blue





I have better things to do with my time than put together a page long essay on how hilarious you above post was, but i'll leave it at everyhing you just said contradicted everything you've said in previous posts.

The funniest one being "Aren't you mature" for calling you a moron. Hmmmm look at one of your previous posts and you might see that you called me a moron, Hypocrite? It just shows how ridiculouslly silly and immature you are. You also didn't make a valid point in the above post for me to actually respond to, just a combination of your previous posts, maybe its you that needs the education?

Also the whole "you got sussed" thing that you seem to love so much by twisting words. I've already caused controversy with my views in this thread so if i did wholeheartedy support the BNP i would have said it. So like i've said previously, stop trying to read between the lines, because you're really really not very good at it. Didn't you say "assumptions, assumptions" in your previous post? Now you wouldnt be ASSUMING that i support the BNP would you? My god you are a contradicting idiot.

[edit on 28/7/08 by Liamoville]

Originally posted by Terran Blue
Sooooooooo... it would be safe to assume you are saying that having a healthy distrust of government and the media is the reason the government has a (purposefully) piss poor track record on immigration, intergration, education, and law enforcement.

I'm sorry, what? That doesn't actually make sense.

[edit on 28/7/08 by Liamoville]

reply to post by dampnickers


Actually, I didn't vote Labour, shock horror.... clearly you have not been reading what I have been saying. Please, try to avoid jumping in at the deep end.

It would seem to me that you need to do a bit of research on the BNP you claim to know so well.

BNP Links to Combat 18

Would you care to explain to the readers who Combat 18 are?

Maybe you can explain that after you do some 'reading and LEARNING'

[I live in the UK and when the time comes that they say "Get out of my county" I will do, until then, I'm gonna sit back and relax, whatever happens, happens.]

You seriously think they are going to just ask you to leave???

You are an infidel!

A personification of the attitude that has caused the Lions impotence!!!

You need the Iron Lady back!

Originally posted by Liamoville
Didn't you say "assumptions, assumptions" in your previous post? Now you wouldnt be ASSUMING that i support the BNP would you?

Dictionary.com can tell you the difference between DEDUCTION, and ASSUMPTION.

I use deduction, you use assumption