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Show me some documentation where students are clamoring to do community service.. I think you're hallucinating. I can ask any teenager on the street would they like to do community service, and they'd think I was a nut for asking. Ask your own children if you have any, how they like the idea of being forced to work free of charge..
Originally posted by Hal9000
reply to post by vor78
Even if he wanted to make it mandatory, you and I both know people would not allow that to happen. It would be voluntary just as it is right now. He is hoping to expand it to allow more students to be able to do it. They are turning people away because the programs lack the funding.
You're right BH, it is amazing how stupid and nearsighted some people can be..
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
That's the problem with making up stories based on a bullet with NO context. People are so stupid sometimes, it makes my heart hurt.
You're opinion, nothing more BH..
The source in the first post (which I cannot get to work) is from the Constitutional Right, who has a vested interest in making Obama look scary. Congratulations to those who didn't think to look further.
Why is it no one can understand Barack Obama? Does he need remedial English lessons or something to become an effective speaker?
They have a serious agenda and have totally reworked the program in Obama's plan.
Yes, if the students want the $4000 credit, they are REQUIRED to perform 100 hours service. However, it is not MANDATORY to do the service...
From the speech of that bullet's origin:
And naturally he means to tie it into financial aid and work study programs at colleges. Am I right. No choice there.. if you're poor and want to go to college, you'll work where and when they tell you to.
Create a new American Opportunity Tax Credit to ensure that the first $4,000 of a college education is completely free for Americans willing to complete 100 hours of public service a year.
Look a little deeper before you run and scream "socialist"!!! like an insane person. :shk:
Open your eyes BH, and put down the Kool aid please.
[edit on 7/12/08 by LLoyd45]
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
Do you have a link that works, by the way? Edit: Looks like their site is down.
Originally posted by LLoyd45
Many countries require mandatory service, but hopefully we won't be joining them anytime soon! It sounds like he wants to put the whole country on a gigantic Welfare to Work program.
Originally posted by Pellevoisin
The Federal Government of the USA is already the single largest employer in the USA.
Can't anyone see that such a situation is insane?
How does Obama derive "mandatory service" from any part of the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights?
Granted, I think it would actually be GOOD for a lot of kids. However...we're a nation built upon the principle of freedom. Forced servitude to the government is not freedom.
Originally posted by LLoyd45
Show me some documentation where students are clamoring to do community service.. I think you're hallucinating. I can ask any teenager on the street would they like to do community service, and they'd think I was a nut for asking.
Mr. Bush's call to service is the latest, but not the only, response by federal leaders to try to convert into real volunteer action what many believe is a new desire by Americans to help their country since the September 11 terrorist attacks. Sen. Evan Bayh, an Indiana Democrat, and Sen. John McCain, an Arizona Republican, have proposed legislation that would, among other things, expand the annual number of participants in AmeriCorps from 50,000 to 250,000 by the end of the decade.
An Appeal for Action: Bush asks Americans to make a major volunteer commitment
Mr. Kowalczyk said he believes that charities will be quick to put any new volunteers to work if his organization and others are able to recruit them. "The interest by charities for more resources is significant," he said. "Without significant outreach because of funding limitations, over the last several years we have turned down between 10 to 25 percent" of the requests from charities interested in working with the agency's service members.
For next year, the president requested an increase of more than $150 million for AmeriCorps -- which was created by former President Clinton. That would allow for an expansion of the program to cover the enrollment of some 75,000 volunteers, and boost overall funding to $554 million.
It is not clear whether that funding will become a reality, though -- especially given that the GOP-led Congress voted to cap AmeriCorps enrollment at 50,000 volunteers this year.
AmeriCorps Cuts Funding For Volunteers
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Martin Luther King
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President John F. Kennedy