All ATS users DETAINED!

reply to post by Quantum_Squirrel

They would Dare not do such a thing, for with the amount of intelligence and knowledge on ATS , this would surely spell thier doom

This is true, but for the amount of intelligence on this site, there are an equal amount of doughnuts! These sheeple are the ones who will report us...

I have thought about this many times... glad thiers a post about it.
I had thought myabe no, because they are going to be too busy rounding up the masses... but then again i thought.... maybe they would come after us here, becaseu most of us hee, if not all, are here for a reason, we all have something in common with eachother here...we know the truth.... maybe they would com afer us in waves, city by city. Would be too late to inform anyone else here.

Along with the truth, they prob know we have all laerned hre, where to go, stay hidden, survive, what to eat, who to connect with, weaons and self defense...
naturally, they dont like we know this,.

Read Naomi Wolf's book, The End of America.

Here's just a few of the steps that historically have been used to close down a open society.

4. Set up an internal surveillance system

In Mussolini's Italy, in Nazi Germany, in communist East Germany, in communist China - in every closed society - secret police spy on ordinary people and encourage neighbours to spy on neighbours. The Stasi needed to keep only a minority of East Germans under surveillance to convince a majority that they themselves were being watched.

In 2005 and 2006, when James Risen and Eric Lichtblau wrote in the New York Times about a secret state programme to wiretap citizens' phones, read their emails and follow international financial transactions, it became clear to ordinary Americans that they, too, could be under state scrutiny.

In closed societies, this surveillance is cast as being about "national security"; the true function is to keep citizens docile and inhibit their activism and dissent.

5. Harass citizens' groups

The fifth thing you do is related to step four - you infiltrate and harass citizens' groups. It can be trivial: a church in Pasadena, whose minister preached that Jesus was in favour of peace, found itself being investigated by the Internal Revenue Service, while churches that got Republicans out to vote, which is equally illegal under US tax law, have been left alone.

Other harassment is more serious: the American Civil Liberties Union reports that thousands of ordinary American anti-war, environmental and other groups have been infiltrated by agents: a secret Pentagon database includes more than four dozen peaceful anti-war meetings, rallies or marches by American citizens in its category of 1,500 "suspicious incidents". The equally secret Counterintelligence Field Activity (Cifa) agency of the Department of Defense has been gathering information about domestic organisations engaged in peaceful political activities: Cifa is supposed to track "potential terrorist threats" as it watches ordinary US citizen activists. A little-noticed new law has redefined activism such as animal rights protests as "terrorism". So the definition of "terrorist" slowly expands to include the opposition.

6. Engage in arbitrary detention and release

This scares people. It is a kind of cat-and-mouse game. Nicholas D Kristof and Sheryl WuDunn, the investigative reporters who wrote China Wakes: the Struggle for the Soul of a Rising Power, describe pro-democracy activists in China, such as Wei Jingsheng, being arrested and released many times. In a closing or closed society there is a "list" of dissidents and opposition leaders: you are targeted in this way once you are on the list, and it is hard to get off the list.

In 2004, America's Transportation Security Administration confirmed that it had a list of passengers who were targeted for security searches or worse if they tried to fly. People who have found themselves on the list? Two middle-aged women peace activists in San Francisco; liberal Senator Edward Kennedy; a member of Venezuela's government - after Venezuela's president had criticised Bush; and thousands of ordinary US citizens.

Professor Walter F Murphy is emeritus of Princeton University; he is one of the foremost constitutional scholars in the nation and author of the classic Constitutional Democracy. Murphy is also a decorated former marine, and he is not even especially politically liberal. But on March 1 this year, he was denied a boarding pass at Newark, "because I was on the Terrorist Watch list".

"Have you been in any peace marches? We ban a lot of people from flying because of that," asked the airline employee.

"I explained," said Murphy, "that I had not so marched but had, in September 2006, given a lecture at Princeton, televised and put on the web, highly critical of George Bush for his many violations of the constitution."

"That'll do it," the man said.

Anti-war marcher? Potential terrorist. Support the constitution? Potential terrorist. History shows that the categories of "enemy of the people" tend to expand ever deeper into civil life.

James Yee, a US citizen, was the Muslim chaplain at Guantánamo who was accused of mishandling classified documents. He was harassed by the US military before the charges against him were dropped. Yee has been detained and released several times. He is still of interest.

Brandon Mayfield, a US citizen and lawyer in Oregon, was mistakenly identified as a possible terrorist. His house was secretly broken into and his computer seized. Though he is innocent of the accusation against him, he is still on the list.

It is a standard practice of fascist societies that once you are on the list, you can't get off.

Of course, the United States is not vulnerable to the violent, total closing-down of the system that followed Mussolini's march on Rome or Hitler's roundup of political prisoners. Our democratic habits are too resilient, and our military and judiciary too independent, for any kind of scenario like that.

Rather, as other critics are noting, our experiment in democracy could be closed down by a process of erosion.

It is a mistake to think that early in a fascist shift you see the profile of barbed wire against the sky. In the early days, things look normal on the surface; peasants were celebrating harvest festivals in Calabria in 1922; people were shopping and going to the movies in Berlin in 1931. Early on, as WH Auden put it, the horror is always elsewhere - while someone is being tortured, children are skating, ships are sailing: "dogs go on with their doggy life ... How everything turns away/ Quite leisurely from the disaster."

As Americans turn away quite leisurely, keeping tuned to internet shopping and American Idol, the foundations of democracy are being fatally corroded. Something has changed profoundly that weakens us unprecedentedly: our democratic traditions, independent judiciary and free press do their work today in a context in which we are "at war" in a "long war" - a war without end, on a battlefield described as the globe, in a context that gives the president - without US citizens realising it yet - the power over US citizens of freedom or long solitary incarceration, on his say-so alone.

The above from Naomi Wolf's book, End of America. Buy or rent a copy from your local library. It's one of the best books to come out.

Originally posted by Frankidealist35
No. I believe that the US government is only going to take in those that thinks that will cause trouble to these camps. We aren't really a threat to them. If the US government wanted to they could take us and detain us in a secret prison camp but they haven't which means they think we're not a threat to them.

Not necessarily, if they took us into camps then they would have to prove what we did wrong. Internet if not used in a situation involving felony, is a form of freedom of speech, and we do have to right to use it in suitable manners. And if we keep it light, opinionated, and thought provoking, then they cannot use legal grounds to take us in. Unless we are a danger to our selves or to the country... but that right there might be cause enough.

If they weren't watching this website, then they'd be making an unwise move on their part. I highly doubt that there isn't a thing they don't watch on the internet.

And if they detained ATS then that would be alot of 'suspicious' people. And the ones they detained would probably be the ones either dead on to something, or the ones that they suspected knew/could figure out what they didn't want the rest of the world, or that of the people on ATS to know. Because we all know that the when '*hit its the fans' , it comes crumbling down all around us.

Let me first say I didn't read ALL of the replies so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned or not.

But, have any of you heard of the FEMA Red/Blue/Yellow List's ?
I'm not sure how much of that article is true but, it's an interesting read to say the least.

Now I'm sure they have tabs on EVERYONE and I guarantee that it's not some CIA "guy" sitting there browsing this site flagging anyone.
It's a computer system just like Eschelon or w/e it was that flags any calls to the middle east if the words George Bush and Nuclear Bomb are used.
Same thing with everyone it flags all websites it knows to be anti-government and anyone who logs onto it and where that IP originates from. What you buy where you go on vacation I mean everything. Hell look what Mark Klein the AT&T whistleblower said about all the traffic that went through his building being routed into a SECURE NSA room and the whole data stream being stored in there. IMO it just all makes too much sense. *shrug*

I'm not so much concerned about this because, way I see it they already know what side your on by now. If martial law is enacted there not going to come for the blue listed first.

"Blue List - these are also enemies of the NWO, but are followers of the Red List folks. These people will be rounded up after martial law is in place, and will be taken to the detention centers and ‘re-educated’."

I think the re-education is more likely to happen, if you let them that is. Call me nuts but, I already have plans with a few close friends whom I've known the majority of my life if it really does go down in the worst way. I figure better safe than sorry. If nothing happens then I'll just be that crazy paranoid guy and I'm fine with that

I welcome all negative feedback and flames as it makes me smile

the only reason to detain us would be if we had a leader. a credible man or woman who had some form of political power or pull that could orchestrate an event that could prove to be troublesome to the government.

reply to post by bakednutz


This may be a moot point to you, but not "all ATS users" (= the ones from the title) are subject to USA laws.

reply to post by bakednutz

Never happen.. They could never sort out the conspiracy theorist(s) from there own planted disinfo agents, wannabees, and sock puppets.

reply to post by Vanitas


You are correct. Not all ATS users are here in the US. But who knows, maybe someday it will be a world government and they will get you anyway. But probably not.

reply to post by bakednutz


The only threat people on this forum pose is if they sit next to you on a bus. I expect various countries agencies keep an eye out for those not taking their meds.

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Has anyone ever thought that if martial law is declared here in the USA that the ATS users will be detained and sent away to concentration type camps like the rest of the "conspiracy theorists" and people the government determines are a threat to itself?

I have to laugh...sorry. Do you all think you are that important? I think some of you are a bit unrealistic with regards to this site, the people on it and the importance of it in general. Do you read most of the treads on here? They are ridiculous.....

Yes....we are all being watched by the government and when there's martial law, they're going to come get us. We are so important!

[edit on 13-7-2008 by Excitable_Boy]

Hi.

I am of the belief that the PTB probably do keep tabs on this site,hence,i do find myself being overly cautious about leaving replies,particularly if it is a subject which i believe to be somewhat,"controversial".

Maybe i am just paranoid?

Anyone else feel like this?

I have recently learned that there is a concentration camp style "settlement" being constructed in Oregon. It is going to be used to hold and "reeducate" those that "obstruct" and/or "reveal information" about the real change in our government in the near future. The person telling me about this said he was a construction worker who worked for a company that was sub-contracted to build the foundations for the buildings. I met him in a local pub and we got to talking. He said he was worried about what might happen in the future.

I wonder if this is one of the camps that may be used to hold ATS members that speak out against our country?


LOL what a load of crap...my story and this thread. Boy oh boy the "self-importance" of some posters is so palpable it reeks...LOL...but at least it made for some humorous reading and a good lesson about ones sense of self-importance and the reality of it all.

I agree, at least we'll be in fine company. Let's plan a secret knock so we'll know who's next door to us.

You know this thread is typical of how ATS has drifted from it's original intent. The subject of this thread being blind PARANOIA.

I doubt "they" would put us in the same camp

Split us up would be key


EDIT: i just replyed to the headline sorry


im 300,000 pages deep reading





[edit on 15-7-2008 by N.B.A.Y.S.O.H]

reply to post by bakednutz


Have you also noticed that you can "Join" ATS, but no way to end your affiliation if you want. I even wrote an e-mail to ATS asking how to do it and the e-mail was ignored.

Yeah, just like everywhere else, probably you are being watched here for your comments. If they are intelligent and are accurate about what is going on you will probably be put on a list. They can weed out with key words who knows too much and who doesn't.